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amalgamation of dream and reality, that perpetual marriage of granite and
rainbow’, as one might say if one was a great writer.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15979" dir="ltr"><br></div><blockquote id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15830" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; margin-top: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15829" style="font-family: verdana, helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15828" style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, Sans-Serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15827" dir="ltr"> <hr id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15920" size="1"> <font id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15841" face="Arial" size="2"> <b><span style="font-weight:bold;">From:</span></b> Danell Jones <danelljones@bresnan.net><br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> 'Sarah M. Hall' <smhall123@yahoo.co.uk>; 'Mark Hussey' <mhussey@verizon.net>; 'Stuart N. Clarke' <stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com>; vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu <br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Thursday, 3 September 2015, 15:16<br> <b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> RE: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW<br> </font> </div> <div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15835" class="y_msg_container"><br><div id="yiv7374271440"><style>#yiv7374271440 #yiv7374271440 --
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#yiv7374271440 </style><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15834"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15833" class="yiv7374271440WordSection1"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15832" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15831" style="">Can I say how much I love this list? Smart, generous, well-informed, and just dang funny! Thank you.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15836" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15994" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15993" style="">As I work, I return from time to time to this quote from historian George Kenan. It is a bit long, but so very thoughtful, I think it is work sharing:</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_16256" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15992" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal">“The truth is that the historian is not a mere purveyor. He does not stand entirely outside the historical evidence he brings to your attention. He stands in many ways inside of it. He is himself in many ways a part of it.</div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15991" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"> </div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1441289021184_15985" class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal">True, he describes historical events. And if he is a true historian, he describes them as accurately as they can be described on the strength of the available record. But he was not there. He did not see these events with his own eyes…and not having been there and not having seen them, what does he have to start with when he envisages these events and portrays them for us? He has, as a rule, only the hieroglyphics of the written word as preserved in crumbling old documents, and sometimes a few artifacts that have survived the ravages of time and neglect—perhaps even a portrait or a drawing or, if he works in recent history, a photograph or two. But these evidences only hint at the real story—they don’t tell it. It is up to the historian to examine them critically and imaginatively, to select among them (for they are often multitudinous in number), to try to penetrate the reality behind them, and to try to depict them in a way that reveals their meaning. And to accomplish this task, what does he had to draw upon? Only what he already has within him: his knowledge, of course, of the historical background, his level of cultural sensitivity, his ability to put the isolated bit of evidence into the larger context, and, above all, his capacity for insight and empathy, his ability to identify with the historical figures he describes, his educated instinct for what is significant and what is not—in other words, his creative imagination.</div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"> What emerges from this scrutiny is something that is, of necessity, high subjective. It is not, and cannot be, the absolute and total truth. It is, if the writer is a conscientious historian, as close to the truth as he can possibly make it. But it remains a vision of the past—not the past in its pure form (no one could ever recreate that) but the past as one man, or one man alone, is capable of envisaging it, of depicting it. It is perceived reality—reality in the eyes of the beholder—the only kind of reality that can have meaning for us other human being and be useful to us. That is why every work of history—at least of narrative or explanatory history—is at least as revealing of the man who wrote it and the period in which it was written as it is of the people it portrays and the époque in which they lived. </div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"> </div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal">“Remarks Delivered at a Birthday Party for the Slavic Division of the New York Public Library “ 1987, George F. Kennan </div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><span style=""> </span></div><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div class="yiv7374271440yqt1334863553" id="yiv7374271440yqt70458"><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Sarah M. Hall [mailto:smhall123@yahoo.co.uk] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 03, 2015 3:22 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> Mark Hussey <mhussey@verizon.net>; 'Danell Jones' <danelljones@bresnan.net>; 'Stuart N. Clarke' <stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com>; vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span></div></div></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal"> </div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Fictionalized Danell: have you considered crowdfunding?</span></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12629"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12628"><div original_target="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12627"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Mark Hussey <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">mhussey@verizon.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Danell Jones' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net">danelljones@bresnan.net</a>>; 'Stuart N. Clarke' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>>; <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, 2 September 2015, 21:44<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12644"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div id="yiv7374271440"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12648"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12647"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12646"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Michael Lackey’s new listserv on biofiction (details of which I posted last week) and his forthcoming book(s) on the subject are evidence of growing academic interest in these questions. I shall keep working on my fictionalized Danell if I see any money in it! More seriously, my concern is how the fictional version of Woolf so often play into existing antagonistic paradigms promulgated by laddish novelists in the UK and other Bloomsbury bashers…</span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12650"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div original_target="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id="yiv7374271440yqt96364"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12702"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12701" style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div original_target="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12700"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Danell Jones [<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net">mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net</a>] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 1:54 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Mark Hussey'; 'Stuart N. Clarke'; <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12704"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12653"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I love it! Now I’m dying to know how did I get to the penthouse? Where do I keep my opium? The Des Moines thing was clearly a misprint in the <i>Register</i>. </span><span style="font-family:Wingdings;color:#2E74B5;">J</span><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12712"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12718"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">More seriously, I am writing a biography of a African Edwardian living in London and am working very, very hard to ground everything in fact, even though I am dramatizing some scenes. It is an interesting process. The whole genre of creative nonfiction is exciting, complex, challenging.</span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12721"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441270656402_12723"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I’m always really interested hearing people’s thoughts about where the boundaries are in historical novels, creative nonfiction, and even sometimes, history. </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Thanks!</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Danell</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Mark Hussey [<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">mailto:mhussey@verizon.net</a>] <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 02, 2015 10:48 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Danell Jones' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:danelljones@bresnan.net">danelljones@bresnan.net</a>>; 'Stuart N. Clarke' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>>; <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> RE: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">“Danell Jones, a zoo keeper from Des Moines with a secret opium habit and a penchant for fast cars, leaned out of her penthouse window one snowy morning and ….”</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I think, to paraphrase Woolf, there are many varieties of “truth” (just as there are many varieties of error…). Brenda Silver’s <i>Virginia Woolf Icon</i> is instructive here. I agree, it is a great conversation!</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">mark</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Vwoolf [<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Danell Jones<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 01, 2015 9:54 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Stuart N. Clarke'; <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">As someone who has fictionalized Woolf, may I defend creative writers by suggesting that Woolf quite liked the “truth” of fiction? “I prefer, where truth is important,” she wrote, “to write fiction.” </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Her “true” story of the <i>Dreadnought</i> Hoax, for example, contains a good deal of fiction.</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">This is a great conversation!</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Danell</span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in;"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;"> Vwoolf [<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart N. Clarke<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 01, 2015 5:04 AM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">See VW Letters #264, 270, 271.</span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Stuart</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a saprocessedanchor="true" title-off="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:smhall123@yahoo.co.uk" target="_blank" href="mailto:smhall123@yahoo.co.uk" title="smhall123@yahoo.co.uk">Sarah M. Hall</a> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Tuesday, September 01, 2015 11:11 AM</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> <a saprocessedanchor="true" title-off="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" title="mhussey@verizon.net">Mark Hussey</a> ; <a saprocessedanchor="true" title-off="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lhankins@cornellcollege.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:lhankins@cornellcollege.edu" title="lhankins@cornellcollege.edu">'Leslie Hankins'</a> ; <a saprocessedanchor="true" title-off="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" title="vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> ; <a saprocessedanchor="true" title-off="" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ivwsociety@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ivwsociety@gmail.com" title="ivwsociety@gmail.com">'International Virginia Woolf Society'</a> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17499"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Dear All,</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_18225"><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_18222"><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I've contacted Priya Parmar to ask about the source for the table 'incident' and she says:</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><blockquote id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17596" style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_15964"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">The incident with the table is definitely rooted in historical fact. It was valuable and she did ask Violet for it and appalled her family. I think it comes from a letter from Vanessa Bell. It may be mentioned in a letter of Virginia's as well. I do not think it pops up in Lytton Strachey's correspondence. I wish I had my notes! The dates I know are accurate.</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_15966"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17513"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">I am not sure if that helps! I have finally stored my research notes in America and feel a bit bereft that I do not have them to hand! </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></blockquote><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17515"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17517"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Obviously in a novel, the author will explore and speculate on people's emotions ('particular favourite', 'thundered in'), which can lead to difficulties if readers take it at face value. Also, when the (non-Woolfian) reader passes on their interpretation of the events, they add their own layer of emotion ('predatory', 'demanding', 'heirloom', 'horribly embarrassed'). In fact, it has been filtered through three people by the time it gets to us; not that I am questioning your interpretation of your colleague's words, Leslie. </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_18112"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_18133"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">But you're right, Mark. We can't help readers misinterpreting fiction as fact; any more than we can help people believing uncorroborated 'facts' they read in a non-fiction book or a newspaper, which it seems to me are more dangerous and inexcusable.</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17718"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17717"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">All the best,</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17594"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17592"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">Sarah</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17519"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17590"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><blockquote id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17376" style="border:none;border-left:solid #1010FF 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:3.75pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt;"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17375"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17374"><div original_target="mailto:ivwsociety@gmail.com" id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17373"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="1" width="100%"></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Mark Hussey <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank" href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">mhussey@verizon.net</a>><br clear="none"><b>To:</b> 'Leslie Hankins' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:lhankins@cornellcollege.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:lhankins@cornellcollege.edu">lhankins@cornellcollege.edu</a>>; <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; 'International Virginia Woolf Society' <<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:ivwsociety@gmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:ivwsociety@gmail.com">ivwsociety@gmail.com</a>> <br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, 29 August 2015, 22:06<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17428"><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17427"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17426"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17429"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Perhaps we need to institute a fact checking website to counter the endless flow of misinformation coming from novelists and tv series writers, film-makers and others who prefer fictional versions of VW et al. to anything based on the historical record!</span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17425"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yqt87696"><div original_target="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17444"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> Vwoolf [<a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Leslie Hankins<br clear="none"><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, August 29, 2015 4:57 PM<br clear="none"><b>To:</b> <a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>; International Virginia Woolf Society<br clear="none"><b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] curiouser and curiouser: the desk(s) of VW</span><span style=""></span></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17437"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17442"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Hello again! The desk plot thickens. A colleague at dinner (not a VW scholar) told me she had read somewhere that VW was really very predatory and rude about asking for and demanding a desk from a friend, a desk that was an heirloom, etc. She said that Vanessa had been horribly embarrassed by the whole thing, etc, etc. </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17440"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17439"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I felt at a loss because it didn't sound familiar, at least not the outrage of it all.</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Finally she tracked it down to the novel Vanessa & Her Sister by Parmar. </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17436"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17435"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17617"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17616"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">The passage in the novel (set up as a journal entry) is rather harsh:</span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17620"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17619"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17623"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17622"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Saturday 5 May 1906--46 Gordon Square (end of a long day)</span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17626"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17625"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17629"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17628"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">"Virginia asked Violet for a table. Such an innocuous sentence, but what a rumpus it has caused. It is apparently a particular favourite of Violet's and a valuable antique to boot. Virginia just thundered in to tea at Violet's one afternoon and told her that she would quite like to have it. Mother would be so distressed. Thoby and Adrian are appalled--"One simply does not go about asking for other people's things, Ginia!"--and I am now resigned. I was unsettled at first, wary as I am for any signs of imbalance or incongruity in Virginia, but seeing that it was just one of her peculiar moments of directness at work, I relaxed. Violet was an utter dear and had the table delivered the next day. Virginia is planning to have two of the legs sawn off, which makes the gift quite irreversible.</span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17632"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17631"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17635"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17634"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> And--Virginia, after listening to a stinging lecture from Thobs, has written twice today, pestering poor Violet for the price of the table." (87)</span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17638"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17637"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17641"><div id="yiv7374271440yui_3_16_0_1_1441093293039_17640"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I've looked at VW's letters to Violet (Vol 1 270, [May 1906] p 225ff but haven't found anything about Vanessa's reaction. Does anyone have any more information about this? I've hardly looked at Patmar's book but my colleague noted that it made VW out to be rather demonic.</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">I'll keep looking but it does seem curious.</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">leslie</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">-- </span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Leslie Kathleen Hankins</span></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Professor</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">Department of English & Creative Writing</span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;">"Moreover, however interesting facts may be, they are an inferior form of fiction, & gradually we become impatient of their weakness & diffuseness, of their compromises & evasions, of the slovenly sentences which they make for themselves, and are eager to revive ourselves with the greater intensity & truth of fiction." </span></i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;"> </span><span style=""></span></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> Virginia Woolf, "How Should One Read a Book?"</span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div><div original_target="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id="yiv7374271440yqt79562"><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Vwoolf mailing list<br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a></span></div></div></div><div style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="text-align:center;background:white;" align="center"><span style=""></span><hr align="center" size="2" width="100%"></div><div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Vwoolf mailing list<br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div><div original_target="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" id="yiv7374271440yqt26472"><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="background:white;"><span style="">_______________________________________________<br clear="none">Vwoolf mailing list<br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" ymailto="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank" href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br clear="none"><a saprocessedanchor="true" rel="nofollow" shape="rect" target="_blank" href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a></span></div></div><div class="yiv7374271440MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white;"><span style=""> </span></div></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div></div></div><br><br></div> </div> </div> </blockquote> </div></body></html>