<div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Hi All, I wrote this reply to Stuart's Crux #1 off-list, but maybe it's of interest to the listserv so here it is:<br></div><br>***<br>Hi Stuart,<div><br></div><div>A thought to support "prefigures": in the
holograph draft, VW originally had "lamp" and then crossed it out for
"lights" (on p. 269 of Bishop, draft 2.273). To me this suggests that VW
is thinking of the language herself, not echoing Grey, because if she
were intending an allusion she would have kept "lamp" to make the
connection firmer. </div><div><br></div><div>Another thought: VW has extraordinary praise for Grey in <i>Diary 1</i>,
pp. 200-201 (12 Oct. 1918): "Grey himself struck me as a solid
straightforward English Squire . . . with the kind of open air honour
& sagacity which one feels to some extent in a man like Waller. He
said nothing but what one has read & agreed with about a League of
Nations, but he said it simply, & for a 'great statesman ' to have
sense & human feeling & no bombast does produce an odd sense of
wonder & humility in me, as if human nature were worth something
after all." So, if VW knew Grey's 1925 phrase from word-of-mouth before
1925 (indeed 1922), <i>here, </i>one guesses, would be the place she would record it. So, more reason to think she did not know it.</div><div><br></div><div>By the way, the only mention by Woolf that I find of Grey's interlocutor, J. A. Spender, is <i>D1</i> 157, very much in passing.</div><br><div>All good luck to you and David on your continued quest,</div><div>Emily<br>***<br></div><br></div>And best to all,<br></div>Emily<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Jean Mills <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:millsj7@gmail.com" target="_blank">millsj7@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto"><div>Perhaps follow JA Spender as a point of contact? He was supposedly the person to whom Grey uttered the lines and as one of "the most influential political journalist of his day" (D1 n11, 157), perhaps he posited some version of or the spirit of the lines either in print or in conversation that could be connected to VW. She was definitely aware that they were "caballing" in the hallway. Or perhaps it's none of these and can be attributed to the fact that sometimes the ideas are just in the air. </div><div><br></div><div>Jean<br><br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><div class="h5"><div><br>On May 11, 2015, at 11:43 AM, Ado Haberer <<a href="mailto:adolphe@haberer.fr" target="_blank">adolphe@haberer.fr</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div><div>No footnote in Edward L. Bishop's Shakespeare Head Press edition which I used when I translated JR. Interesting to note, however, that in ch. XIII "Mrs. Durrant discussed with Sir Edgar the policy of Sir Edward Grey."<br>With best wishes</div><div>Ado Haberer</div><div><br>Envoyé de mon iPhone</div><div><br>Le 11 mai 2015 à 15:54, Stuart N. Clarke <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>> a écrit :<br><br></div><blockquote type="cite"><div>
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<div>I am helping David Bradshaw edit JR for Cambridge University Press, and we
have noticed several mysteries in the text.</div>
<div> </div>
<div>Towards the end of ch. XII:</div>
<div> </div>
<div>“Now it was dark. <span>Now
it one after another lights were extinguished. Now great
towns—Paris—Constantinople—London—were black as strewn rocks.”</span></div>
<div><span></span> </div>
<div><span>The
second sentence sounds like Sir Edward Grey’s<span>
‘The lamps are going out all over Europe. We shall not see them lit again in our
lifetime’.</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span></span> </div>
<div><span><span>Unfortunately,
this appeared in his autobiography in 1925! “It was his only memorable saying,
widely quoted and anthologized subsequently” (ODNB). Would it have been known
about when VW was writing JR? If so, where? If not, we shall probably have to
follow Sue Roe and Vara Neverow, and say that the sentence “prefigures” or
“anticipates” Grey’s reminiscence in 1925.</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span></span> </div>
<div><span><span>Any
answers gratefully received.</span></span></div>
<div><span><span></span></span> </div>
<div><span><span>Stuart</span></span></div></div></div>
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