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<DIV>Yes, I agree with Mark. In this particular case, it is reasonable for
me to wonder – in the context of my task -- whether the sentence in the text
bear the weight of all the interpretation.</DIV>
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<DIV>Stuart</DIV>
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<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mhussey@verizon.net
href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">Mark Hussey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, May 13, 2015 1:13 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=grenpipiens@gmail.com
href="mailto:grenpipiens@gmail.com">'Andre Gerard'</A> ; <A
title=stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">'Stuart N. Clarke'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Cc:</B> <A title=vwoolf@lists.osu.edu
href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vwoolf] "Jacob's Room": Crux #3</DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>This is all so great, so interesting. But Andre’s post brings
back the sensation I had when annotating <I>Between the Acts</I> for CUP: with
Woolf, it can sometimes feel like you could go on forever, as if every word
opens into caves and tunnels that lead to yet more caves and
tunnels…<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
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style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Vwoolf
[mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.osu.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Andre Gerard<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, May 12, 2015 6:37 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
Stuart N. Clarke<BR><B>Cc:</B> Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vwoolf] "Jacob's Room": Crux #3<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt">A number of loose, associative
thoughts. The passage about the three elderly men belongs to a section
which contains many elements which also surface in <I>Mrs. Dalloway.</I>
For instance, there is the cathedral visit (both St Paul's and Westminster in
<I>Mrs. Dalloway</I>), exhilarating bus rides, unknown lives brushing past each
other, the consumption or nibbling of the day, and the old woman singing.
In <I>Mrs. Dalloway</I> spiders and spider thread recur several times, primarily
as an image of tenuous linkage, although there is also, more mysteriously,
Whitehall "skated over by spiders." Water spiders,
perhaps?<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal>Also, for Virginia, "three elderly men" had personal, almost
mythic significance. In <I>Moments of Being</I> she describes the "three
old gentlemen" (Mr. Wolstenholme, C. B. Clarke, and Mr. Gibbs) as Dickensian
figures, and in the same passage she describes Justine Nonon, an old woman who
"walked like a spider," "sang in a hoarse cracked voice" and rode the "red
omnibus." Virginia remembers her "as if she were a completely real person,
with nothing left out, like the three old men." <BR><BR>As mythic
creatures the old gentlemen may be re-gendered versions of the Moirai, male
versions of Atropos, Lachesis and Clotho. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Tue, May 12, 2015 at 4:16 AM, Stuart N. Clarke <<A
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com"
target=_blank>stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Near the beginning of
ch. V:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>“you will see that
three elderly men at a little distance from each other run spiders along the
pavement as if the street were their parlour”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>This *very*
mysterious. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Vara Neverow suggests
that the ‘men, who are spaced so that they will not compete with one another,
are selling mechanical toys to passersby, probably windup penny toys
manufactured in Germany.’ (<I>JR</I> 2008: 229)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Ado suggests
“peut-être” (<I>JR</I> 2012: 329):<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>(1) Live spiders
attached by threads<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>(2) penny
toys<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>(3)
bicycles<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I think Ado’s #3 is
unlikely: bikes on the pavement – disgraceful! I think those types of
bikes called spiders predate 1910 by some considerable time (altho’ I’d never
heard of them before).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Ado’s #1 seems
possible. After all, in the Victorian period you could buy sparrows from
street vendors, with strings attached to their legs, and you could fly them
around. Ugh!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>I really like Vara’s
and Ado’s #2. Not something I would have thought of, but look
here:<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><A
title=http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-WIND-UP-CLOCKWORK-TOY-SCHUCO-STYLE-SPRING-DEVIL-SPIDER-C1920S-30S-/391084080032
href="http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-WIND-UP-CLOCKWORK-TOY-SCHUCO-STYLE-SPRING-DEVIL-SPIDER-C1920S-30S-/391084080032"
target=_blank>http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ANTIQUE-WIND-UP-CLOCKWORK-TOY-SCHUCO-STYLE-SPRING-DEVIL-SPIDER-C1920S-30S-/391084080032</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'><A
title=http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OLD-GERMAN-WIND-UP-TOY-SPIDER-/251940077598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa8cc801e
href="http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OLD-GERMAN-WIND-UP-TOY-SPIDER-/251940077598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa8cc801e"
target=_blank>http://www.ebay.ca/itm/OLD-GERMAN-WIND-UP-TOY-SPIDER-/251940077598?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3aa8cc801e</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>On the other hand,
would a 1922 reader know what VW was referring to? Would it be obvious to
him/her that she was referring to toys?<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Any answers gratefully
received.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #888888'> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style='FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"; COLOR: #888888'>Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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