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Ok, I have loved this discussion. It has helped so much. I went through hope (that it was a telescope), disgruntled acceptance that it was not and back again. Now to see if I can write the telescope into the piece before MSA.
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<div>And I would be happy to send Necco wafers to anyone who asks. The yellow ones taste best.<br>
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<div>On Oct 7, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Caroline Webb <<a href="mailto:caroline.webb@newcastle.edu.au">caroline.webb@newcastle.edu.au</a>></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Indeed fascinating, and I withdraw my earlier insistence that they couldn’t be these things. The fact that the painting is shifting date makes a big difference, of course!<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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<b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Vwoolf [mailto:vwoolf-<a href="mailto:bounces@lists.osu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On
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<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vwoolf] Orlando portrait<o:p></o:p></span></div>
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Lens caps all around!!!<o:p></o:p></div>
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On Oct 7, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Christine Froula wrote<o:p></o:p></div>
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Greetings, Julie and everyone. My friend Claudia Swan, a historian of Dutch art, forwarded Julie Vandivere's query about the painting to a friend of hers, another expert, who replied (below).<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
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<span lang="NL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(<i>Ik schrijf even in het Engels ten behoeve van je correspondent</i>)</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">This really is an interesting painting!</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Without doubt the object is a spyglass, probably with one drawtube which in the painting is in the collapsed position.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The two white circles are protective caps: one for the eye glass and the other for the objective lens.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">At the time these costly hand held telescopes were made of ivory.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(See also the page from my book on the Louwman collection)</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Actually the most prominent telescope maker of 17<sup>th</sup><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>century England was Richard Reeve(s), who was educated as an
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">(See: A.D.C. Simpson, ‘Richard Reeve — The ‘English Campani’ — And the origins of the London telescope-making tradition’,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Vistas
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">See for instance also the trade card of John Yarwell from 1683.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">However, the assumed date of the painting can NOT be 1610.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In my view the costumes can be dated a few decades later, in the period 1640-1660?</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">That would also make more sense with the object, which in my feeling also must be from that time span.</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Besides, the second son of Edward, 4th Earl of Dorset was born in 1622!</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">By the way, what is a ‘Necco wafer’?</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">My very best regards,</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Dr. Huib J. Zuidervaart</span><o:p></o:p></div>
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<i><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Senior Historian of Science</span></i><o:p></o:p></div>
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<b><span lang="NL" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Van:</span></b><span lang="NL" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Claudia Swan [<a href="mailto:c-swan@northwestern.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; ">mailto:c-swan@northwestern.edu</a>]<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br>
<b>Verzonden:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>dinsdag 7 oktober 2014 2:04<br>
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Vandivere, Julie<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:jvandive@bloomu.edu" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline; "><jvandive@bloomu.edu></a><o:p></o:p></div>
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The first edition of Orlando had this as one of its illustrations. What do you think the little white circles are on the table? <o:p></o:p></p>
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I know the illustration was done at Knole by an unknown artist and is of Edward Sackville West "The Two Sons of Edward, 4th Earl of Dorset by Cornelius Nule in about 1610. In Orlando, the painting appears in black and white, but here I am including the colored
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They look like felt pads and might be to guard the glass on the telescope that is lying on the table.<o:p></o:p></div>
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But I'd hate to make that argument without some input. Necco wafers?<o:p></o:p></div>
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