<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I shall not be taking a victory lap.<div>Lens caps all around!!!</div><div>Jeannette Smyth</div><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Oct 7, 2014, at 3:37 PM, Christine Froula wrote</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite">
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Greetings, Julie and everyone. My friend Claudia Swan, a historian
of Dutch art, forwarded Julie Vandivere's query about the painting
to a friend of hers, another expert, who replied (below). <br>
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Christine <br>
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<div class="WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p>Dear
Claudia, <br>
</o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="NL">(<i>Ik schrijf even in het Engels ten behoeve
van je correspondent</i>) <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="NL"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">This
really is an interesting painting! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Without
doubt the object is a spyglass, probably with one drawtube
which in the painting is in the collapsed position. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
two white circles are protective caps: one for the eye
glass and the other for the objective lens. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">At
the time these costly hand held telescopes were made of
ivory.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(See
also the page from my book on the Louwman collection)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Actually
the most prominent telescope maker of 17<sup>th</sup>
century England was Richard Reeve(s), who was educated as
an ivory turner. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(See:
A.D.C. Simpson, ‘Richard Reeve — The ‘English Campani’ —
And the origins of the London telescope-making tradition’,
<i>Vistas in Astronomy</i>, Volume 28, Part 1, 1985, Pages
357-365). <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">See
for instance also the trade card of John Yarwell from
1683.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">However,
the assumed date of the painting can NOT be 1610. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In
my view the costumes can be dated a few decades later, in
the period 1640-1660? <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">That
would also make more sense with the object, which in my
feeling also must be from that time span. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Besides,
the second son of Edward, 4th Earl of Dorset was born in
1622! <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Nevertheless,
it must be one of the earliest depictions of an ivory
spyglass. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">By
the way, what is a ‘Necco wafer’?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">My
very best regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Huib
Zuidervaart <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">----------------------------------------<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Dr.
Huib J. Zuidervaart<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Senior
Historian of Science <o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Huygens
Institute for the History of the Netherlands </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Royal
Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences - KNAW<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D" lang="NL"><a moz-do-not-send="true" href="http://www.huygens.knaw.nl/"><span lang="EN-US">www.huygens.knaw.nl</span></a></span></i><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">P.O.
Box 90.754<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">NL-2509
LT The Hague<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="text-autospace:none"><i><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">The
Netherlands<o:p></o:p></span></i></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="NL">Van:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:windowtext" lang="NL"> Claudia Swan [<a moz-do-not-send="true" class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:c-swan@northwestern.edu">mailto:c-swan@northwestern.edu</a>]
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<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 7 oktober 2014 2:04<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Huib Zuidervaart<br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Fwd: home<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="NL"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="NL">[…]</span><span lang="NL"><br>
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Ik schrijf dadelijk een antwoord </span><span style="color:#1F497D" lang="NL">[…] </span><span lang="NL">maar dacht, als iemand een antwoord heeft op de
vraag hieronder (over de kleine witte cirkels) dan ben jij
het, oder? <br>
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</span>Hartelijke groet, <br>
Claudia <o:p></o:p></p>
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<td style="padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class="MsoNormal">[Vwoolf] What do you think
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The first edition of Orlando had this as one of its
illustrations. What do you think the little white
circles are on the table? <span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<div><p class="MsoNormal">I know the illustration was done at
Knole by an unknown artist and is of Edward Sackville
West "The Two Sons of Edward, 4th Earl of Dorset by
Cornelius Nule in about 1610. In Orlando, the painting
appears in black and white, but here I am including
the colored one because I would love speculation on
what the two white dots on the table are. They look
like felt pads. I know this might seem a bit silly,
but I'm using the painting to make an argument.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<div><p class="MsoNormal">They look like felt pads and might
be to guard the glass on the telescope that is lying
on the table. <span style="color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class="MsoNormal">But I'd hate to make that argument
without some input. Necco wafers?<o:p></o:p></p>
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