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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">The painting is from 1610. As I indicated earlier, the object is too small even for a telescope in those days; I don’t believe a
lens as small as that presumably in the hole at the “eyepiece” could be accurately ground. Look at the size of the object relative to the boy’s fingers.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Kaleidoscopes were invented over two hundred years later than this painting.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:EN-US">I still think it’s a recorder . . .<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Caroline<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Denise Marshall [mailto:denimars@gmail.com]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, 2 October 2014 6:45 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Caroline Webb; Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] What do you think these are?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">What about a Kaleiscope? </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleidoscope#History"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaleidoscope#History</span></a><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">
the painting could be a historical ref which Woolf certainly would have been familiar with.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Denise Marshall<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Reference<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">Fairleigh Dickinson University<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Sep 29, 2014 at 7:50 PM, Caroline Webb <<a href="mailto:caroline.webb@newcastle.edu.au" target="_blank">caroline.webb@newcastle.edu.au</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi all,<br>
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I'm not actually convinced that the larger object is a telescope/spyglass. Is this an accepted identification? Telescopes were very new indeed (Wikipedia says 1608, but Gribbin's History of Science says it was developed by Leonard Digges in the 1550s but
not publicised for a long time). That's not in itself necessarily a problem--nobles were patrons and made a point of getting new things--but this one looks seriously small, even if what we're seeing is the eye-piece; in fact there seems to be indentation
just past there, which wouldn't make sense for a telescope. It looks to me to be a recorder, a very popular instrument at the time--we're seeing the bottom end of it. The boy is being shown as a musician, a respectable amateur activity for a noble; Henry
VIII (yes, that was earlier) owned 76 recorders, apparently, and was a composer himself.<br>
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In any case I don't think the pale objects are felt pads. In this sort of painting the details are important/symbolic, and I don't see these particular accessories (to telescope or recorder) being seen as worthy of inclusion. Game counters seem much more
likely.<br>
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Caroline<br>
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From: Vwoolf [mailto:<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Danell Jones<br>
Sent: Tuesday, 30 September 2014 3:37 AM<br>
To: 'Jeannette Smyth'; <a href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] What do you think these are?<br>
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How about pieces from a board game? One for each boy--suggesting they are players in some large game or intrigue?<br>
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If you know where it is/who owns it, I am sure you could write to the curator and ask what they are.<br>
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When you find out, let us know!<br>
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Danell<br>
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From: Vwoolf [mailto:<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Jeannette Smyth<br>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 11:23 AM<br>
To: <a href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] What do you think these are?<br>
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They pixelate when zoomed on. I think they look like lens caps, not separate lenses, as I first thought. I do think they are accessories for the telescope and not felt pads. Would not a nobelman's telescope in 1610 have its own fitted case, and not be left
lying out on the cocktail table?<br>
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I suspect, that in 1610, when Galileo himself was discovering Jupiter's moons through a telescope, young Edward's telescope symbolizes everything Renaissance/heliocentric/humanist that could be symbolized. Lens caps off!<br>
Yet, it revolves!!! (Galileo was not declared a heretic until 1616, I think.<br>
But there was Copernicus to deal with.)<br>
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Jeannette Smyth<br>
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On Sep 29, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Vandivere, Julie wrote:<br>
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> The first edition of Orlando had this as one of its illustrations.<br>
> What<br>
do you think the little white circles are on the table?<br>
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> I know the illustration was done at Knole by an unknown artist and is<br>
> of<br>
Edward Sackville West "The Two Sons of Edward, 4th Earl of Dorset by Cornelius Nule in about 1610. In Orlando, the painting appears in black and white, but here I am including the colored one because I would love speculation on what the two white dots on the
table are. They look like felt pads. I know this might seem a bit silly, but I'm using the painting to make an argument.<br>
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> They look like felt pads and might be to guard the glass on the<br>
> telescope<br>
that is lying on the table. But I'd hate to make that argument without some input. Necco wafers?<br>
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