<html><head><base href="x-msg://9/"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">Ha! I've been thinking how much better Wharton is at character and plot, and het sex (?!) than Woolf is. We all know why VW abandoned character and plot and het sex. But I must say I still get the willies when I read <i>House of Mirth, </i>and nearly faint when Archer kisses the hole in Olenska's glove. Compared to the narrative arc of the ladies' quotidian lives in Woolf's attempted novel of fact, <i>The Years,</i> Wharton's much more Aristotelian derriere-garde techniques really are gripping. Also, I think the buccaneer aspects of American society, and the female protagonists of Wharton, are something Woolf -- herself very ambitious, and critical of social climbers -- did not quite, how you say, grok. (All of a sudden, I am overwhelmed with Woolf's use of Aristotelian techniques....<i>Between the Acts, Dalloway....</i>)<div><br></div><div>Not throwing out old Edith. </div><div><br></div><div>But you are hilarious.</div><div><br></div><div>With thanks</div><div>Jeannette Smyth<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:04 PM, Linda Chown wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div ocsi="0" fpstyle="1" style="word-wrap: break-word; "><div style="direction: ltr; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 10pt; ">Wharton is and, then, she has many patches of isn't.<br><br><div style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; "><hr tabindex="-1"><div id="divRpF160386" style="direction: ltr; "><font size="2" color="#000000" face="Tahoma"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Vwoolf [vwoolf-bounces+chownl=gvsu.edu@lists.osu.edu] on behalf of Jeannette Smyth [jeannette_smyth@earthlink.net]<br><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 23, 2014 4:48 PM<br><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]]<br><b>Cc:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vwoolf] New Yorker essay on VW and Wharton<br></font><br></div><div></div><div>I’m with you. Trying to be positive. But Wharton is, as the guy points out, a writer of another epoch, as contemporary w/ VW as she might be.<div><br><div>Jeannette Smyth</div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 2:42 PM, ANNE Fernald [Staff/Faculty [A&S]] <<a href="mailto:fernald@fordham.edu" target="_blank">fernald@fordham.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Dear all,<div><br></div><div>I'm very interested to know about the letter from Stuart. The truth is, this essay bugs me. I don't think Wharton is a huge influence on Woolf and I am surprised at the level of speculation he permits himself.</div><div><br></div><div>But I'm getting grumpy in my dotage,</div><div><br></div><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>Anne</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 4:32 PM, Jeannette Smyth<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jeannette_smyth@earthlink.net" target="_blank">jeannette_smyth@earthlink.net</a>></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0.8ex; border-left-width: 1px; border-left-color: rgb(204, 204, 204); border-left-style: solid; padding-left: 1ex; "><div style="word-wrap: break-word; ">Thank you, the truth is mighty and it shall prevail!<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888">Jeannette Smyth</font></span><div><div class="h5"><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Stuart N. Clarke <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr" style="word-wrap: break-word; "><div dir="ltr"><div style="font-size: 12pt; font-family: Calibri; "><div>VW ack’d on 18 Nov 1920 the receipt of a copy of “The Age of Innocence” in an uncollected letter to Messrs Appleton & Co. (letter pub’d in the “Virginia Woolf Bulletin” (Jan. 2011)). Stephen Barkway discusses VW’s published comments on Wharton – and Wharton’s irritation – in his accompanying note.</div><div> </div><div>Stuart</div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline; "><div style="font: normal normal normal 10pt/normal tahoma; "><div> </div><div style="background-image: initial; background-attachment: initial; background-origin: initial; background-clip: initial; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); background-position: initial initial; background-repeat: initial initial; "><div><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="jeannette_smyth@earthlink.net" href="mailto:jeannette_smyth@earthlink.net" target="_blank">Jeannette Smyth</a></div><div><b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Tuesday, September 23, 2014 6:51 PM</div><div><b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a title="vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a></div><div><b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Vwoolf] New Yorker essay on VW and Wharton</div></div></div><div> </div></div><div style="font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline; ">This is very, very interesting, thank you for the heads up.<div>I have read every word of the diaries and letters at least three times, where VW's casual reading and influences are most frequently to be found. I can’t remembering her mentioning Edith Wharton in any connection, and the author here notes he cannot find any record of VW’s having read<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>Age of Innocence.</i> </div><div>What interesting<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>ouevres<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>to compare, though. And how interesting Woolf’s contention that Wharton was not a real American — only Walt Whitman, of the fluid gender, was.</div><div>Thank you again.</div><div>Jeannette Smyth</div><div><div> </div><div><div>On Sep 23, 2014, at 10:51 AM, Emily Kopley <<a href="mailto:emily.kopley@gmail.com" target="_blank">emily.kopley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">Hi All,<div> </div><div>This recent essay in<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>The</i> <i>New Yorker<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></i>makes a good case for VW's thinking of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><i>The Age of Innocence</i><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>as she composed Mrs. Ramsay's death:</div><div> </div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space: nowrap; "><a href="http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/virginia-woolfs-anxiety-influence" target="_blank">http://www.newyorker.com/culture/cultural-comment/virginia-woolfs-anxiety-influence</a></span></font><br></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space: nowrap; "><br></span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space: nowrap; ">Best,</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space: nowrap; ">Emily</span></font></div><div><font face="arial, sans-serif"><span style="white-space: nowrap; "><br clear="all"></span></font><div> </div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div dir="ltr">Dr. Emily Kopley<br>Mellon Postdoctoral Fellow<br>McGill University, Department of English<br></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><br></blockquote></div><div> </div></div><div><br></div><hr>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><br></div></div></div></div>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><br></blockquote></div><br></div></div></div></div><br>_______________________________________________<br>Vwoolf mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Vwoolf@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf</a><br><br></blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>--<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><br><div><span style="font-family: sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.fordham.edu/academics/programs_at_fordham_/english/faculty/english_faculty/anne_fernald_28537.asp" target="_blank">Anne E. 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