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<DIV>If someone says “I went and laid on the bed”, I won’t think they’re a
chicken – I won’t get confused by their using a transitive verb instead of an
intransitive one. Similarly, “May I have a borrow of your book?” instead
of “a loan”.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But if someone says “I was stood over there” (a Northern English expression
becoming universal), then we’re losing just a little bit of subtlety in the
language. “I was stood over there” now almost always means “I was standing
there”. We have to be more informative if we want to communicate that we
were placed somewhere by someone else (“The director stood me over
there.”). Similarly, the loss of the subjunctive simplifies the language,
sometimes regrettably.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Stuart</DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #f5f5f5">
<DIV style="font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=mhussey@verizon.net
href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">Mark Hussey</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 11:39 AM</DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=j.martin@klett.de
href="mailto:j.martin@klett.de">'Martin, James'</A> ; <A
title=neverowv1@southernct.edu href="mailto:neverowv1@southernct.edu">'Neverow,
Vara S.'</A> ; <A title=stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">'Stuart N. Clarke'</A> ; <A
title=VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">'list', 'woolf'</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> RE: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of
"principal"</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>Weren’t we talking about the meaning of words? (or, if that
is too nit-picky, the montage of weirds)?<o:p></o:p></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">
vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
[mailto:vwoolf-bounces+mhussey=verizon.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Martin, James<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, October 28, 2013 4:28
AM<BR><B>To:</B> Neverow, Vara S.; Stuart N. Clarke; list',
'woolf<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of
"principal"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Vara,
if it all comes down to a matter of taste, oh, how I wish everyone shared
uniform aesthetics!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">I
agree that uniformity in language usage would squelch variety, but I’ll bet it
would also nurture some healthy reactions in the form of experimentation.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">There
are simply too few people in the world who care about style in language. Is it
on any school curriculum anywhere? Is it important? Have I been fooling myself
all these years? I certainly hope not.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Jim<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<P class=MsoNormal><o:p></o:p> </P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">Von:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'"> <A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+j.martin=klett.de@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces+j.martin=klett.de@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>
</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">[<A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+j.martin=klett.de@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces+j.martin=klett.de@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>]
<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Neverow, Vara S.<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Freitag, 25. Oktober
2013 17:19<BR><B>An:</B> Stuart N. Clarke; list', 'woolf<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re:
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black">Just
another aspect of the discussion. At one level, I would agree that a uniform
style across the board and across the pond could be the best possible solution
to the various aggravations cause trauma for writers, editors, and readers.
However, the word "uniform" itself indicates that variety would be frowned
upon—neither language itself nor formatting conventions are stable. Further,
with regard to formatting, there isn't really a best style. Once one moves into
the placement of punctuation marks in relation to quotation marks (UK vs. US),
or the em-dash and en-dash (totally house style), or the depth of the
indentation of long quotations, or whether to hyphenate, or whether to use one
or two spaces, aesthetics take precedence over strict rules.
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black">Vara
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:
</SPAN></B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"Stuart
N. Clarke" <<A
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</A>><BR><B>Date:
</B>Friday, October 25, 2013 4:30 AM<BR><B>To: </B>"list', 'woolf" <<A
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR><B>Subject:
</B>Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10.5pt; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN> </P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 3pt 3pt 0.75pt">
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">It’s understandable
that it’s hard to be consistent, but why not just use “New Hart’s Rules”
(OUP)? As authors (as Anne Fernald implies/infers), we may not know them,
but professional editors should know and apply their own house styles.
After all, writers for US academic publications are always being told to use the
MLA style – something that is beyond me coz I don’t have the
book(let?).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Stuart<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=j.martin@klett.de href="mailto:j.martin@klett.de">Martin, James</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Friday, October 25, 2013 9:20 AM<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=dswanson@niu.edu href="mailto:dswanson@niu.edu">Diana Swanson</A> ; <A
title=VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">list', 'woolf</A>
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Cc:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
title=paul@skandera.com
href="mailto:paul@skandera.com">mailto:paul@skandera.com</A><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of
"principal"<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Diana,
I’ll give you the inside scoop on publishing companies and their editors. When I
arrived at my current position, I cared about every comma, apostrophe and dash,
be it an n-dash, an m-dash or a hyphen. There were differences in the usage and
I wanted to adhere to the rules - not that I was a prescriptivist, mind you -
but I simply wanted to do things correctly and in a unified manner. It turns out
that when I asked the experienced, highly respected author of the company’s
style sheet which dash should be used where, he said, “Relax, it’s just a
horizontal line. Nobody cares.” </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">The
readers, it turns out, “didn’t care” because they never complained to us
formally about any abuses of punctuation. So if no one complains, you can’t be
doing anything wrong, right? </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">However,
when I was in school, I paid attention to these things from an early age and
thought other pupils using our textbooks might notice the difference between
random punctuation marks and those that seem to be used systematically. I am
fully aware that standards change over the years (the interest in placing a
comma before the final “and” in a series seems to wax and wane along with skirt
length, for example) and am able to accept such changes. When you are working in
a multilingual setting, and editors with backgrounds in British and American
English who have been living in Germany for 20 years sit down at a table and try
to set these rules in stone, it is difficult. The difficulty lies partly in the
fact that we have read so many different publications during our studies and
professional lives - encyclopedias and dictionaries from various centuries,
magazines, newspapers, books, websites and textbooks (all with their own country
of origin and printing, their own style sheets and editors or obvious lack of
them) - that we begin to question what is indeed correct. We all had English
teachers throughout our schooling who categorized gross errors according to
their own educational backgrounds. And so they - and we - perpetuate stylistic
myths and there is no one authority to answer all our questions. William Safire
did it for years (and I loved his columns!), but I know of no one in the digital
age who has offered his or her services as he did. Any takers?</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #1f497d">Jim</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Von:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> <A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>
[<A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">]
<B>Im Auftrag von </B>Diana Swanson<BR><B>Gesendet:</B> Donnerstag, 24. Oktober
2013 15:38<BR><B>An:</B> list', 'woolf<BR><B>Betreff:</B> Re: [Vwoolf]
"principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Segoe UI','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text books over
the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too many editors and
copy-editors. The causes? Probably in large part the consolidation of publishing
companies, the pressure for quarterly profits, and the cutting of university
budgets (especially state universities) so that university presses are being
starved of funds.<BR><BR>>>> Mark Hussey <<A
href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">mhussey@verizon.net</A>> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM
>>></SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style="COLOR: black">"Too fussy" might be a euphemism
for "able to use words correctly." </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<DIV
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>
[<A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>]
<B>On Behalf Of </B>Sarah M. Hall<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, October 24, 2013
6:40 AM<BR><B>To:</B> Stuart N. Clarke; woolf list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Verdana','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">There
was an interview on Radio 4 yesterday with a Scotsman who thinks that we are all
too fussy about English grammar, and that phrases such as 'most beautifullest'
are quite acceptable because Shakespeare used these constructions. The opposing
view was that Shakespeare was writing poetry. Downward spiral?</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
<DIV>
<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"> <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Stuart N. Clarke <<A
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</A>><BR><B>To:</B>
woolf list <<A
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</A>>
<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, 24 October 2013, 11:33<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Of course, we all
make mistakes, but there's just no end to failures in
copy-editing.</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">There's something
just not quite right about:</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"This great church
... is crowned by the second largest Roman dome after St Peter's."</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">In his TV show, Dave
Gorman pointed out the faux spectrum, as in something like "She has taken all
the great tragic roles, from Ophelia to the Duchess of Malfi".</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Stuart</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no href="mailto:jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no"
target=_blank> Jeremy Hawthorn</A> </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Thursday, October 24, 2013 11:17 AM</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target=_blank> Stuart N.
Clarke</A> ; <A title=VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target=_blank>woolf list</A>
</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> Re:
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">And
another one. In the last week I have seen "interred" used where "interned" was
correct, and vice-versa. Thus people of Japanese descent were interred during
WW2, and the body was interned after the funeral.<BR><BR>Jeremy H</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt; BACKGROUND: white"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>
[<A
href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>]
on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke [<A
href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</A>]<BR><B>Sent:</B>
24 October 2013 11:51<BR><B>To:</B> woolf list<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Vwoolf]
"principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The 2 words are
quite different, but I admit that I have to concentrate when typing them to
make sure I've chosen the right one! I don't think they have (yet?)
become interchangeable.</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Unlike "imply" and
"infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers, the words are used
interchangeably, although I was surprised to find the use as early as 1931,
e.g.:</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN style="COLOR: black">M. H.
C., 'The Scheme of Things', NZ <I>Evening Post</I>, Vol. CXII, No. 112 (7
November 1931), 9: '"Oxbridge" . plainly infers [<I>sic</I>] Oxford'; <A
href="http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19311107.2.40.1">http://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/cgi-bin/paperspast?a=d&cl=search&d=EP19311107.2.40.1</A></SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Stuart</SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=abgrund@naver.com href="mailto:abgrund@naver.com" target=_blank>Sunjoo
Lee</A></SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sent:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
Thursday, October 24, 2013 10:38 AM</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">To:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu
href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target=_blank> woolf list</A>
</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Subject:</SPAN></B><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">
[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Hi,
everyone, </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I
have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be
"principal." </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">I saw
that happening in doctoral dissertations and (in a few cases) articles from
well-known journals, or even books from good publishers. </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">And
this afternoon, from Heidegger's <I>Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics</I>
(Indiana UP, 1997), I found: </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">"Thus
the knowledge of beings in general (<I>Metaphysica Generalis</I>) and the
knowledge of its principle divisions (<I>Metaphysica Specialis</I>) become a
"science established on the basis of mere reason."" (6). </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"> </SPAN><SPAN
lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">And
now I wonder, has "principle" been accepted as an alternate spelling of
"principal"? Only I haven't been aware of it? </SPAN><SPAN lang=DE
style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="BACKGROUND: white"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Dictionaries
I use don't have such information. Has anyone else wondered about this?
</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Gulim','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">Sunjoo
</SPAN><SPAN lang=DE style="COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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