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<div>Just another aspect of the discussion. At one level, I would agree that a uniform style across the board and across the pond could be the best possible solution to the various aggravations cause trauma for writers, editors, and readers. However, the word
"uniform" itself indicates that variety would be frowned upon—neither language itself nor formatting conventions are stable. Further, with regard to formatting, there isn't really a best style. Once one moves into the placement of punctuation marks in relation
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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>"Stuart N. Clarke" <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Friday, October 25, 2013 4:30 AM<br>
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<div>It’s understandable that it’s hard to be consistent, but why not just use “New Hart’s Rules” (OUP)? As authors (as Anne Fernald implies/infers), we may not know them, but professional editors should know and apply their own house styles. After all, writers
for US academic publications are always being told to use the MLA style – something that is beyond me coz I don’t have the book(let?).</div>
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<div style="font-color: black"><b>From:</b> <a title="j.martin@klett.de" href="mailto:j.martin@klett.de">
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<div><b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 25, 2013 9:20 AM</div>
<div><b>To:</b> <a title="dswanson@niu.edu" href="mailto:dswanson@niu.edu">Diana Swanson</a> ;
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<div><b>Cc:</b> <a title="paul@skandera.com" href="mailto:paul@skandera.com">mailto:paul@skandera.com</a></div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Diana, I’ll give you the inside scoop on publishing companies and their editors. When I arrived at my current position, I cared about
every comma, apostrophe and dash, be it an n-dash, an m-dash or a hyphen. There were differences in the usage and I wanted to adhere to the rules - not that I was a prescriptivist, mind you - but I simply wanted to do things correctly and in a unified manner.
It turns out that when I asked the experienced, highly respected author of the company’s style sheet which dash should be used where, he said, “Relax, it’s just a horizontal line. Nobody cares.”
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">The readers, it turns out, “didn’t care” because they never complained to us formally about any abuses of punctuation. So if no one
complains, you can’t be doing anything wrong, right? <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">However, when I was in school, I paid attention to these things from an early age and thought other pupils using our textbooks might
notice the difference between random punctuation marks and those that seem to be used systematically. I am fully aware that standards change over the years (the interest in placing a comma before the final “and” in a series seems to wax and wane along with
skirt length, for example) and am able to accept such changes. When you are working in a multilingual setting, and editors with backgrounds in British and American English who have been living in Germany for 20 years sit down at a table and try to set these
rules in stone, it is difficult. The difficulty lies partly in the fact that we have read so many different publications during our studies and professional lives - encyclopedias and dictionaries from various centuries, magazines, newspapers, books, websites
and textbooks (all with their own country of origin and printing, their own style sheets and editors or obvious lack of them) - that we begin to question what is indeed correct. We all had English teachers throughout our schooling who categorized gross errors
according to their own educational backgrounds. And so they - and we - perpetuate stylistic myths and there is no one authority to answer all our questions. William Safire did it for years (and I loved his columns!), but I know of no one in the digital age
who has offered his or her services as he did. Any takers?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Jim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Diana Swanson<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 24. Oktober 2013 15:38<br>
<b>An:</b> list', 'woolf<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: 'Segoe UI', sans-serif; ">I have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text books over the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too many editors
and copy-editors. The causes? Probably in large part the consolidation of publishing companies, the pressure for quarterly profits, and the cutting of university budgets (especially state universities) so that university presses are being starved of funds.<br>
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>>> Mark Hussey <<a href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net">mhussey@verizon.net</a>> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM >>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">"Too fussy" might be a euphemism for "able to use words correctly."
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah M. Hall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:40 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Stuart N. Clarke; woolf list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Verdana, sans-serif; ">There was an interview on Radio 4 yesterday with a Scotsman who thinks that we are all too fussy about English grammar,
and that phrases such as 'most beautifullest' are quite acceptable because Shakespeare used these constructions. The opposing view was that Shakespeare was writing poetry. Downward spiral?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Clarke <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>><br>
<b>To:</b> woolf list <<a href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Of course, we all make mistakes, but there's just no end to failures in copy-editing.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">"This great church ... is crowned by the second largest Roman dome after St Peter's."<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">In his TV show, Dave Gorman pointed out the faux spectrum, as in something like "She has taken all the great tragic roles, from Ophelia
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Stuart<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Stuart N. Clarke</a> ; <a title="VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">And another one. In the last week I have seen "interred" used where "interned" was correct, and vice-versa. Thus people
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<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2013 11:51<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Unlike "imply" and "infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers, the words are used interchangeably, although I was surprised
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a title="abgrund@naver.com" href="mailto:abgrund@naver.com" target="_blank">Sunjoo
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: whitesmoke"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> Thursday,
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[Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">Hi, everyone,
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">I have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be "principal."
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">I saw that happening in doctoral dissertations and (in a few cases) articles from well-known journals, or even books from
good publishers. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">And this afternoon, from Heidegger's
<i>Kant and the Problem of Metaphysics</i> (Indiana UP, 1997), I found: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">"Thus the knowledge of beings in general (<i>Metaphysica Generalis</i>) and the knowledge of its principle divisions (<i>Metaphysica
Specialis</i>) become a "science established on the basis of mere reason."" (6).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">And now I wonder, has "principle" been accepted as an alternate spelling of "principal"? Only I haven't been aware of it?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="BACKGROUND: white"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Gulim, sans-serif; ">Dictionaries I use don't have such information. Has anyone else wondered about this?
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