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<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">Happened to me. A publisher had a professional indexer produce an index for a book I had written. Against the name of James, Henry, a list of works appeared, including
<i>Daisy Miller</i>. I wrote against this: "This is only quoted as a typical name - nothing about the book" and yes, this not only appeared in print but, to make it worse, in bold.<br>
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<div style="direction: ltr;" id="divRpF935141"><font color="#000000" face="Tahoma" size="2"><b>From:</b> vwoolf-bounces+jeremy.hawthorn=ntnu.no@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [vwoolf-bounces+jeremy.hawthorn=ntnu.no@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] on behalf of Stuart
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<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2013 17:50<br>
<b>To:</b> list', 'woolf<br>
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<span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:10pt">Madame de Sévigné, here is an anecdote about an English edition of her letters:</font></font></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin:0cm 0cm 0pt" align="justify"><span><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:8pt">When the galley proofs began to reach the editor, he found that the proof-reader had his own idea of how to spell Madame de Sévigné’s
name, for he kept querying the accent on the first syllable.<span style=""> </span>
The editor meticulously wrote ‘stet’ beside each query; but with the next batch of proofs the process of query and ‘stet’ began all over again.<span style="">
</span>When finally the page proofs arrived and the persistent proof-reader was still querying the accent, the editor lost his patience.<span style="">
</span>Addressing himself to the proof-reader on the margin of the proof, he demanded that this futile exercise should stop.<span style="">
</span>But now it was the printer’s turn.<span style=""> </span>When the editor at last received an advance copy of the book, he was horrified to find in the middle of one of Madame de Sévigné’s letters the very words that he had written in anger on the final
proof: ‘<i style="">For God’s sake, stop popping up between Madame de Sévigné and me!</i>’</font></font><a title="" href="file:///C:/Users/Stuart/Documents/VWS2011/#_ftn1" name="_ftnref1" style="" target="_blank"><span class="MsoFootnoteReference" style="vertical-align:super"><span style=""><span class="MsoFootnoteReference" style="vertical-align:super"><span style="font-family:"><font face="Times New Roman"><font style="font-size:8pt">[1]</font></font></span></span></span></span></a></span></p>
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<div style="font-size:10pt; font-family:tahoma; color:#000000; direction:ltr">I had an in-house copy editor for a major publisher alter "hers" and "theirs" to "her's" and "their's". Fortunately I was producing camera-ready copy, so was able just to ignore these
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To give credit where credit is due, however, my experience is that some copy editors are extremely good, and some have certainly have saved me from some major embarrassments.<br>
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There is a category of problems that relates to different national usages and conventions - as with alternate and alternative (UK and US).<br>
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Jeremy<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2013 15:48<br>
<b>To:</b> Diana Swanson<br>
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<div dir="ltr">appallingly <i>copyedited</i>. <br>
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<div dir="ltr">Seven years ago, my book was appallingly copyediting, outsourced to India (where language rules differ from American or British usage). Since then, I've despaired of the kind of care that one used to rely on. I make many errors. I couldn't get
any writing done at all if I were super persnickety with myself whilst drafting. Unfortunately, errors made while composing tend to persist, and there is no longer a stage where one can rely on an editor.
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<div>My father is a retired tax lawyer. He made his living catching tiny details. I now rely on him to catch my (many) errors and infelicities.
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<div style="font:10pt segoe ui; margin:4px 4px 1px" lang="EN-US">I have noticed more and more such mistakes in scholarly books and text books over the last few years; I think that publishers have laid off too many editors and copy-editors. The causes? Probably
in large part the consolidation of publishing companies, the pressure for quarterly profits, and the cutting of university budgets (especially state universities) so that university presses are being starved of funds.<br>
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>>> Mark Hussey <<a href="mailto:mhussey@verizon.net" target="_blank">mhussey@verizon.net</a>> 10/24/2013 8:25 AM >>><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Sarah M. Hall<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, October 24, 2013 6:40 AM<br>
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<a title="jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no" href="mailto:jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no" target="_blank">
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Stuart N. Clarke</a> ; <a title="VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" href="mailto:VWOOLF@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">
woolf list</a> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">vwoolf-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>] on behalf
of Stuart N. Clarke [<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" target="_blank">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 24 October 2013 11:51<br>
<b>To:</b> woolf list<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Vwoolf] "principle" in place of "principal"</span><span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:'Calibri','sans-serif'">Unlike "imply" and "infer": in the Antipodes, even in scientific papers, the words are used interchangeably, although I was surprised to find the use as early as
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10pt; font-family:'Gulim','sans-serif'">I have been a bit bugged by seeing "principle" when the word has to be "principal."
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