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<span style="font-weight:bold">From: </span>Eleanor McNees <<a href="mailto:Eleanor.McNees@du.edu">Eleanor.McNees@du.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Date: </span>Wednesday, September 18, 2013 7:37 PM<br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">To: </span>"Stuart N. Clarke" <<a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com</a>>, VWOOLF listserv <<a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>
<span style="font-weight:bold">Subject: </span>Re: [Vwoolf] Transport memories<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Dear Stuart and fellow Woolfians,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I’ve perused this discussion of public transport and Woolf with considerable interest as I worked on this for the NYC Woolf conference and have an
essay largely on omnibus travel in Woolf’s works in <i>Woolf and the City: Selected Papers of the Nineteenth Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf</i>, ed. Elizabeth F. Evans & Sarah E. Cornish (Clemson UP, 2010), 31-39. I wish I had time to reprise this project
as it’s much larger than I’d thought when I began the research (some of which I conducted in the London Transport Museum with the assistance of a former librarian there who had London transport maps from the dates of Woolf’s novels).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 11pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Eleanor<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">
<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+emcnees=du.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf-bounces+emcnees=du.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> [<a href="mailto:vwoolf-bounces+emcnees=du.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">mailto:vwoolf-bounces+emcnees=du.edu@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stuart N. Clarke<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 14, 2013 10:39 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Vwoolf] Transport memories<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Last Monday we pointlessly caught the 10.15 at Laxey up Snaefell; 1ˇ2 hour journey ea. way, £11 return. Pointless, because of the cloud cover at the top, and pretty chilly
to boot. So we got the same tram/train/thing back:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; "><a href="http://www.iomguide.com/mountainrailway.php" title="http://www.iomguide.com/mountainrailway.php">http://www.iomguide.com/mountainrailway.php</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">Anyway, the seats go backwards and forwards (as they still do on most Japanese trains). And on the horse trams on the IoM:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(1) During the school hols, I and 2 friends bought Green Rovers (for country buses), and at one of our changes of bus we clubbed together and bought a large bottle of Tizer
from a newsagent/sweet shop. But: my “friends” wouldn’t let me drink it in the street. No, we all had to wait until we got onto the top deck of another bus. How times have changed: now we’re not supposed to eat or drink on buses.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">(2) My parents and I were, I think, coming back from the coast on a train with compartments and a corridor down the side. All the smokers were full, so we went into a non-smoker,
where there was a couple. My mother asked if they could smoke. “Well, actually, we did come in here to avoid the smoke.” My mother was *furious* – “Well, we did ask politely.” How times have changed . . .
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">I remember smoking only upstairs on the buses. And “ladies only” compartments on the trains. And clouds of smoke at the pictures; you could look up and see the projector light
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color: black; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; ">When I was in Edinburgh in 1962, I ‘phoned up some tourist office in Glasgow, and asked if the trams had stopped. “Yes, madam” was the reply. Wrong on both counts. Still,
I have been on the old Blackpool trams a number of times, and you could see why people had wanted the trams to go – rattling, slow, uncomfortable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no" title="jeremy.hawthorn@ntnu.no">Jeremy
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "> Saturday, September 14, 2013
12:45 PM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:whitesmoke"><b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">To:</span></b><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><a href="mailto:stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com" title="stuart.n.clarke@btinternet.com">
Stuart N. Clarke</a> ; <a href="mailto:vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" title="vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">
vwoolf@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size: 10pt; color: black; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; ">In my youth smokers had to sit upstairs on buses, and downstairs was non-smoking (which would make good sense if there was no roof). But this must have been
different at a time when the middle classes sat upstairs - must it not?<br>
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I also have a very early memory of a tram - late 1940s early 1950s, in Croydon I think - which had no turning circle so went backwards and forwards on its route without turning. To cope with this, the backs of seats could be pushed backwards or forwards, so
that passengers could always sit facing forwards.<br>
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Even in the late 1950s there were 1st and 3rd class compartments in trains, along with smoking and non-smoking compartments, and ladies-only compartments, in both classes. 2nd class had been abolished (when?), but with a wonderful British logic the other two
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