[Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo

Sun Jul 9 10:28:05 EDT 2023

Thanks for the interesting links Vara.

No VW, but here’s VSW by Hoppé (1916).

Stephen

From: Neverow, Vara S. <neverowv1 at southernct.edu> 
Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 1:47 PM
To: sbarkway at btinternet.com; 'Stuart N. Clarke' <stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com>; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu
Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo

A gathering of sleuths!! 

What Mark said about seizing vast collections of photographs for private collections has certainly affected the ways that visual information has been restricted.

Is there any trace of who took the photo? 

I am wondering whether it might have been E. O. Hoppé ( <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Hopp**A__;w6k!!KGKeukY!2yIJcsT3wKTyuDZ1HuW4M2QWKdhVpAvQjvzWoGKQFjlEgZivdfzOtSRBPo_tGevUQcFL-4vZ05AkIAXkRNgBCQWs$ > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._O._Hopp**A__;w6k!!KGKeukY!2yIJcsT3wKTyuDZ1HuW4M2QWKdhVpAvQjvzWoGKQFjlEgZivdfzOtSRBPo_tGevUQcFL-4vZ05AkIAXkRNgBCQWs$ ) who lost access to his own photographs when he sold them to Mansell Collection, which was absorbed into Getty and Time/Life:

"Although Hoppé was one of the most important photographic artists of his era and highly celebrated in his time, in 1954, at the age of 76, he sold his body of photographic work to a commercial London picture archive, the Mansell Collection."

Searching for Hoppé and Woolf in this hunt, I came upon an interesting article from the New Yorker (serendipitously published on July 9, 2014, nine years ago today) titled "Virginia Woolf's Idea of Privacy" by Joshua Rothman that features a photo by Hoppé:

 <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/virginia-woolfs-idea-of-privacy__;!!KGKeukY!2yIJcsT3wKTyuDZ1HuW4M2QWKdhVpAvQjvzWoGKQFjlEgZivdfzOtSRBPo_tGevUQcFL-4vZ05AkIAXkRAA62NVN$ > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.newyorker.com/books/joshua-rothman/virginia-woolfs-idea-of-privacy__;!!KGKeukY!2yIJcsT3wKTyuDZ1HuW4M2QWKdhVpAvQjvzWoGKQFjlEgZivdfzOtSRBPo_tGevUQcFL-4vZ05AkIAXkRAA62NVN$ .

Vara

Vara Neverow

(she/her/hers)

Professor, English Department and Women’s and Gender Studies Program

Managing Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany 

Southern Connecticut State University 

New Haven, CT 06515

203-392-6717

 <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu> neverowv1 at southernct.edu

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugusett and Quinnepiac peoples.

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo 

Thanks Stuart . . . O dear, my memory is not what it was! 😉 Stephen From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+sbarkway=btinternet. com@ lists. osu. edu> On Behalf Of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8: 40 AMTo: vwoolf@ lists. osu. eduSubject:  

Thanks Stuart . . .

O dear, my memory is not what it was! 😉

Stephen

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 8:40 AM

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Subject: [Vwoolf] Fw: Woolf photo

I have a record that "A LITERARY LETTER: Books from the Hogarth Press" with the photo appeared in the “Sphere” on Sat, 7 Jun 1924, p. 14 – and that I got the info. via Stephen! Was it tracked down on the British Newspaper Archive? It’s almost 

I have a record that "A LITERARY LETTER: Books from the Hogarth Press" with the photo appeared in the “Sphere” on Sat, 7 Jun 1924, p. 14 – and that I got the info. via Stephen!  Was it tracked down on the British Newspaper Archive?  It’s almost 3 years since we discussed it.

Stuart

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Sent: Sunday, July 9, 2023 7:06 AM

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Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>  ; 'Gretchen Gerzina' 

Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo

I have a feeling it was used in the Illustrated London News . . . but can’t at the moment, say why or when, I’m afraid. Stephen From: Vwoolf <vwoolf-bounces+sbarkway=btinternet. com@ lists. osu. edu> On Behalf Of Alice Staveley via VwoolfSent:  

I have a feeling it was used in the Illustrated London News . . . but can’t at the moment, say why or when, I’m afraid.

Stephen

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo

Hi Danell, So excited to see this image pop up — I’m pretty sure it comes from The Sphere magazine in the early 1920s (I’m working on a book on Woolf as publisher and came across a diary reference to her being photographed for The Sphere, and 

Hi Danell, 

So excited to see this image pop up — I’m pretty sure it comes from The Sphere magazine in the early 1920s (I’m working on a book on Woolf as publisher and came across a diary reference to her being photographed for The Sphere, and was amazed to discover that it actually happened, the shots accompanying an article about Leonard and Virginia as cutting edge publishers).  I can dig out the reference for you — just email and we can sleuth together!  I would be surprised if Time has ownership rights to the image though as The Sphere was definitely a British publication (unless of course, as is possible, the image appeared transatlantically in another context or Time gobbled up The Sphere at some point).   

Best wishes

Alice

On Jul 8, 2023, at 2:03 PM, Danell Jones via Vwoolf <vwoolf at lists.osu.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> > wrote:

That's excellent advice, Gretchen.  And I also like the call from you, Mark, to rebel. It is such a racket. 

The good news for people looking to use Woolf photos, you can use the images from the Houghton Library, Harvard for free: Virginia Woolf Monk's House photographs, circa 1867-1967. MS Thr 564 (103). Houghton Library, Harvard University.

Danell

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf photo

Danell,

In the past, I've been able to negotiate for photos. They have a list price, but once or twice I contacted them and said I was an academic who had to pay for images out of my own pocket, and they reduced the fee. It's worth a try.

Gretchen

Today's Topics:

1. Re: Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published? (Mark Hussey)

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Date: Sat, 8 Jul 2023 20:32:23 +0000 (UTC)

From: Mark Hussey <mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>

To: "mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%3e"

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<mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>, "Neverow, Vara S."

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Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published?

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Yes!?

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 01:05:43 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> wrote: 

You mean "trespass at once"?

Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)

Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515

203-392-6717

neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>  <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??

Recent Publications:

Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Mark Hussey <mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>

Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 4:02 PM

To: vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>  <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>; danelljones at bresnan.net <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>  <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net> <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>; Neverow, Vara S. <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>>

Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published??Oh, I didn?t follow the link just looked at your email.Unconscionable what entities charge for images! I think scholars should rebel,?

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 12:44:27 PM PDT, Neverow, Vara S. <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>> wrote:

Hi Mark,

Scroll down...you'll see it on the left (or at least I do at:?https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/asset/woolf-virginia-1882-1941-novelish/kAEeT-TX3WLjWg__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBFxbHHeyw$> > ) . It leads nowhere except the "novelish" connection....here it is with the image....

| | Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish - Google Arts & CultureWoolf 

| | Virginia 1882-1941 Novelishartsandculture.google.com |

Vara

Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)

Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515

203-392-6717

neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>  <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??

Recent Publications:

Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Mark Hussey <mailto:mhussey at verizon.net%20%3cmailto:mhussey at verizon.net>>

Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 3:41 PM

To: Neverow, Vara S. <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu%20%3cmailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>>; vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>  <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> <mailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.service.ohio-state.edu>>; danelljones at bresnan.net <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>  <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net> <mailto:danelljones at bresnan.net%20%3cmailto:danelljones at bresnan.net>>

Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published??But the image here (?novelish?!) is not the one Danell sent.

Sent from the all new AOL app for iOS

On Saturday, July 8, 2023, 3:03 PM, Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote:

Title: Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish Physical Dimensions: B/W PRINT Publisher: TimeLife Usage: For personal non-commercial use only Provider: LIFE Original ID: TimeLife_image_110872280 Credits: Mansell Copyright: ? Time Inc. https:?//artsandculture.?google.?com/entity/m080r3

- Title:?Woolf Virginia 1882-1941 Novelish

- Physical Dimensions:?B/W PRINT

- Publisher:?TimeLife

- Usage:?For personal non-commercial use only

- Provider:?LIFE

- Original ID:?TimeLife_image_110872280

- Credits:?Mansell

- Copyright:?? Time Inc.

https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$>  <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$ <https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/artsandculture.google.com/entity/m080r3__;!!KGKeukY!0xQUO4eueM4qYqCeVm1ljHJspNE-Qzl2aHdjUTV53bdjvrNoKrOikaExEWo482laeuX6fBgXO4gLqoKbwWbeYfN3sBEa4Prckw$> > 

| | Virginia Woolf - Google Arts & CultureAdeline Virginia Woolf was an English writer, considered one of the most important modernist 20th-century authors and a pioneer in the use of stream of con...artsandculture.google.com |

I think this is the info. you need (it was a quick search using just the caption plus the names.?

Nice find! I can see why it's expensive?Timeis not generous.?

Vara

Vara Neverow(she/her/hers)

Professor, English DepartmentEditor,?Virginia Woolf Miscellany

Southern Connecticut State University

New Haven, CT 06515

203-392-6717

neverowv1 at southernct.edu <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>  <mailto:neverowv1 at southernct.edu>

I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut?State?University was built on traditional territory?of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac?peoples.??

Recent Publications:

Lead editor,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984,?Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources?(Bloomsbury, 2020);?Co-editor,?The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature?(Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina?Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka)

From: Vwoolf <mailto:vwoolf-bounces+neverowv1=southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:southernct.edu at lists.osu.edu>> on behalf of Danell Jones via Vwoolf <mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu%20%3cmailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>>

Sent: Saturday, July 8, 2023 2:46 PM

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Subject: [Vwoolf] Anyone Know Where This Was Originally Published??Hi All, I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming book. The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where it originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks to me like a much earlier photograph from the

?

Hi All,

?

I am going to be using this image of LW and VW in my forthcoming book. The source is The LIFE Picture Collection. But, I am curious where it originally appeared. Time magazine? It looks to me like a much earlier photograph from the one that appeared on the cover ofTime. 

?

Just wondering if anyone knows where it first appeared.

?

Thanks!

?

Danell

?

P.S. It is quite expensive to license this particular image for a book, just FYI.

?

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