From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon May 2 05:49:35 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47@StuartHP> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon May 2 06:26:31 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity Message-ID: Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain and sombre on her wedding day?? ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when they go to the altar!? ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and ribbons never! Never!? (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in the modern sense. I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at Balliol). ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From staveley at stanford.edu Mon May 2 20:59:10 2022 From: staveley at stanford.edu (Alice E. Staveley) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47@StuartHP> References: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47@StuartHP> Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C@stanford.edu> Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. Senior Lecturer Department of English Stanford University Director | Honors English Director | Digital Humanities Minor Co-Founder https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.modernistarchives.com__;!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A$ On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tt206 at cam.ac.uk Tue May 3 04:14:36 2022 From: tt206 at cam.ac.uk (Trudi Tate) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 08:14:36 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf lectures from Literature Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Dear Friends, Some sessions from Literature Cambridge which might interest Woolfians. 1. There are two more sessions in our current Virginia Woolf Season. Mark Hussey will lecture on Woolf and Clive Bell on Sunday 8 May, and Claire Nicholson will lecture on Mrs Dalloway: From Bond Street to Westminster on Saturday 11 June. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.literaturecambridge.co.uk/book-woolf-season__;!!KGKeukY!3rdvsgl1eDZ9EdZ0P4-2qqtVMfnbDZD3VYVC9ruE7k08DOlzEwcIVQjCveFx6XKA3hogwZgAfwZCsbvYPo8$ 1. Our live online summer course is on Woolf's Houses. Just a few places left. We hope to resume the summer courses in person in Cambridge in 2023. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.literaturecambridge.co.uk/ww-summer-2022__;!!KGKeukY!3rdvsgl1eDZ9EdZ0P4-2qqtVMfnbDZD3VYVC9ruE7k08DOlzEwcIVQjCveFx6XKA3hogwZgAfwZCs8bmcJs$ 1. Professor Dame Gillian Beer will lecture on Dialogue in the Alice Books, Saturday 28 May. Many will know Gillian's wonderful work on Woolf. Best wishes, Trudi Tate Literature Cambridge - Emeritus Fellow, Clare Hall Cambridge -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Tue May 3 04:40:45 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 09:40:45 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C@stanford.edu> References: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47@StuartHP> <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C@stanford.edu> Message-ID: <9295B2791BE5487D8B6912A7707DDA5A@StuartHP> If Daisy were mixed race, then Woolf might appear less racist and ?Mrs. Dalloway? more ?inclusive?. If only . . . There?s nothing wrong with the students? question, for, as the years go by, Woolf?s social world ? the world she took for granted ? becomes more remote, and therefore needs more and more explication. Of course, it may be stimulating and informative and educative to discuss this mixed-race possibility, slipping off at a tangent from MD. What I object to is an open-ended answer: ?Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white?? Because not to do so is ripping the text apart to suit your own agenda, or to cater to the susceptibilities of your audience. Perhaps you are imagining Woolf writing for an audience 100 years after publication: everyone will assume Daisy is white for 100 years, and then readers will realise what she was really getting at. If someone in 1920s London told you that a friend was visiting from Jamaica, you would have assumed the friend to be white; you would have expected it to be specifically mentioned if s/he was black. Stuart From: Alice E. Staveley Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 1:59 AM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. Senior Lecturer Department of English Stanford University Director | Honors English Director | Digital Humanities Minor Co-Founder https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.modernistarchives.com__;!!KGKeukY!xF03LOwicM2IHznKeeA9W9ZM8MRKBYez-JINFsimVnOQzT0SP7_aawcOOfck2Tszjz7bNTQ9wSAlxueVm_xqHY4ulKZHRPh3vg$ On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ozma at sover.net Tue May 3 09:59:48 2022 From: ozma at sover.net (Gretchen Gerzina) Date: Tue, 03 May 2022 09:59:48 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script Message-ID: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Hello everyone, The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have understood. Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean offspring to live or be educated in Britain. As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. --Gretchen Gerzina ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" wrote: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain and sombre on her wedding day?? ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when they go to the altar!? ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and ribbons never! Never!? (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in the modern sense. I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at Balliol). ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 From: "Alice E. Staveley" To: "Stuart N. Clarke" Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. Senior Lecturer Department of English Stanford University Director | Honors English Director | Digital Humanities Minor Co-Founder https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.modernistarchives.com__;!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A$ On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf ------------------------------ End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 1 ************************************** From M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk Tue May 3 14:53:42 2022 From: M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk (Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 18:53:42 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script In-Reply-To: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> References: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> Message-ID: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Hi Gretchen, Thanks for your points. However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people living in India'- this is not the case in my family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs Dalloway'. My grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her father were not white (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian colouring and self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I think it is more nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian (Anglo-Indian mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context is important and the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it and that way of life did die out when India gained its independence. As we know, Woolf herself was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. Warm wishes, Marielle -----Original Message----- From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Hello everyone, The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have understood. Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean offspring to live or be educated in Britain. As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. --Gretchen Gerzina ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" wrote: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gWdo0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain and sombre on her wedding day?? ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when they go to the altar!? ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and ribbons never! Never!? (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in the modern sense. I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at Balliol). ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 From: "Alice E. Staveley" To: "Stuart N. Clarke" Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. 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Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. 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In many works published throughout the interwar period, we see an elision of racial and national identities when the term ?race? is deployed. I also think it?s critical to register that while Woolf would never have identified herself as espousing racial or cultural superiority, there are plenty of examples in her novels and other works that reveal an adherence to what we might call her identification with whiteness (i.e., whiteness as a category that?s universal and associated with Englishness). I think an assumption of whiteness underwrites Stuart?s reading of Daisy, even as the text itself offers us?as Alice beautifully points out?the possibility of reading her as something else. It is fiction, after all! Thanks to all for offering such thoughtful comments on a thorny topic. Best wishes, Jane Jane Garrity Associate Professor of English University of Colorado at Boulder 226 UCB Boulder, CO 80309-0226 Jane.Garrity at Colorado.Edu On May 3, 2022, at 12:53 PM, Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf > wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Hi Gretchen, Thanks for your points. However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people living in India'- this is not the case in my family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs Dalloway'. My grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her father were not white (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian colouring and self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I think it is more nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian (Anglo-Indian mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context is important and the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it and that way of life did die out when India gained its independence. As we know, Woolf herself was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. Warm wishes, Marielle -----Original Message----- From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Hello everyone, The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have understood. Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean offspring to live or be educated in Britain. As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. --Gretchen Gerzina ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; reply-type=original !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gWdo0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain and sombre on her wedding day?? ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when they go to the altar!? ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and ribbons never! Never!? (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in the modern sense. I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at Balliol). ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 From: "Alice E. Staveley" To: "Stuart N. Clarke" Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. 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Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. 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URL: From ellen.moody at gmail.com Tue May 3 15:10:35 2022 From: ellen.moody at gmail.com (Ellen Moody) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 15:10:35 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script In-Reply-To: References: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> Message-ID: I've been teaching a course I called Anglo-Indian Novels for 10 weeks this spring: you might say were I to use the nomenclature of my years teaching undergraduates, I've had two sections of this. One at the Oscher Institute of Lifelong Learning group of older adults attached to American University; and one at the OLLI attached to George Mason University. The set texts have been Forster's Passage to India, Scott's Jewel in the Crown (Raj Quartet 1), and Jhumpa Lahirir's Namesake. I really have agonized over my course title -- in my classes I've had people who detail the earlier history of this term -- Indian people who emigrated to the US in the 1960s.. Both sections (so to speak) have gone so well that I'd like to repeat it with different books (Farrell's Siege of Krisnapur, Rushdie's Midnight Children and Lahiri's The Lowland). So should I change my course title? The problem is I have found over and over again that the term Anglo-Indian is used for novels written in English (the writer need not be British) about India in literary studies. I've come across alternatives: Indo-Anglian novels (even without the "c" this one makes me think of the CofE church); British Novels about/of India, but my choice includes an Irish writer and an American (sort of) one. I've come across others. I realize the term has some bad baggage of racism but have almost decided it's the most efficient broad general one. Ellen Moody On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:54 PM Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hi Gretchen, > > Thanks for your points. > > However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was used > only for white English people living in India'- this is not the case in my > family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs Dalloway'. My > grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her father were not white > (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian colouring and > self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I think it is more > nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. > My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian (Anglo-Indian > mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context is important and > the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it and that way of life > did die out when India gained its independence. As we know, Woolf herself > was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. > > Warm wishes, > Marielle > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf > Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hello everyone, > > The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf > was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people > living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer > to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and > the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used > that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have > understood. > > Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white > people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it > was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean > offspring to live or be educated in Britain. > > As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, > and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to > understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the > writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. > > --Gretchen Gerzina > > > > ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) > 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) > 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > To: > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the > author > was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with > it. > Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to > majors in > the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, > since > there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the > author > thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has > pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made > no > ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a > divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a > well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal > truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies > of this > (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gWdo0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw$ > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > To: > Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, > saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? > > What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it > nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and > Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? > exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. > > ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form > (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as > a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage > (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a > > ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain > and sombre on her wedding day?? > ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when > they go to the altar!? > ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only > simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and > ribbons never! Never!? > (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) > > Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction > that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me > the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... > you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in > the modern sense. > > I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I > was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? > and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at > Balliol). > > ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first > Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? > (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). > > There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say > that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class > background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual > encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. > But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate > from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only > working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s > near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came > from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father > to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? > (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). > > Stuart > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fpipermail*2Fvwoolf*2Fattachments*2F20220502*2F10601d8b*2Fattachment-0001.html&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=uGDAZ6mwOudO5JVAwwMWd7g8Y0pV6I*2FmzFaw96RzakQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RM6_ojetA$ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 > From: "Alice E. Staveley" > To: "Stuart N. Clarke" > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Stuart, > > While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think > it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me > whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their > ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there > is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s > identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of > categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take > their readings as teachable moments. > > Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those > thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, > and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might > ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s > more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history > students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen > going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. > This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and > cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, > along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs > Dalloway. > > Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a > contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself > be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form > of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, > but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could > help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical > boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their > continuing presence. > > Best wishes > Alice > > Alice Staveley, D.Phil. > Senior Lecturer > Department of English > Stanford University > Director | Honors English > Director | Digital Humanities Minor > Co-Founder > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__http*3A*2F*2Fwww.modernistarchives.com__*3B!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=xXooGWXURhuHAOdbBu5GIERP6YFzqUI0t*2Fzx3eRw*2BlQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RPst1eVxQ$ > > > > On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the > author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with > it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to > majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be > ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her > husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in > India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she > has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in > marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a > well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal > truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of > this (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > 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URL: From ellen.moody at gmail.com Tue May 3 15:20:00 2022 From: ellen.moody at gmail.com (Ellen Moody) Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 15:20:00 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script In-Reply-To: References: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> Message-ID: P.S. I probably should have said I came across this page recently: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.englishliterature.info/2021/09/indo-anglian-literature-definition.html__;!!KGKeukY!yfTOq3qbEO5_SpgX-31sjNHFk444Jdi7KL9JzInomd2yU-3K6VkDNg6_xE2nXazugKFoxuKF7VPPblrox1KNsnN3$ It seems to me lucid and accurate. But still my new choices do not quite fit the splitting and lumping. Ellen On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 3:10 PM Ellen Moody wrote: > I've been teaching a course I called Anglo-Indian Novels for 10 weeks this > spring: you might say were I to use the nomenclature of my years teaching > undergraduates, I've had two sections of this. One at the Oscher Institute > of Lifelong Learning group of older adults attached to American University; > and one at the OLLI attached to George Mason University. The set texts > have been Forster's Passage to India, Scott's Jewel in the Crown (Raj > Quartet 1), and Jhumpa Lahirir's Namesake. I really have agonized over my > course title -- in my classes I've had people who detail the earlier > history of this term -- Indian people who emigrated to the US in the > 1960s.. Both sections (so to speak) have gone so well that I'd like to > repeat it with different books (Farrell's Siege of Krisnapur, Rushdie's > Midnight Children and Lahiri's The Lowland). So should I change my course > title? The problem is I have found over and over again that the term > Anglo-Indian is used for novels written in English (the writer need not be > British) about India in literary studies. I've come across alternatives: > Indo-Anglian novels (even without the "c" this one makes me think of the > CofE church); British Novels about/of India, but my choice includes an > Irish writer and an American (sort of) one. I've come across others. I > realize the term has some bad baggage of racism but have almost decided > it's the most efficient broad general one. > > Ellen Moody > > > > On Tue, May 3, 2022 at 2:54 PM Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> Hi Gretchen, >> >> Thanks for your points. >> >> However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was used >> only for white English people living in India'- this is not the case in my >> family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs Dalloway'. My >> grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her father were not white >> (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian colouring and >> self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I think it is more >> nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. >> My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian (Anglo-Indian >> mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context is important and >> the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it and that way of life >> did die out when India gained its independence. As we know, Woolf herself >> was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. >> >> Warm wishes, >> Marielle >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Vwoolf >> On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf >> Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 >> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script >> >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> Hello everyone, >> >> The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf >> was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people >> living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer >> to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and >> the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used >> that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have >> understood. >> >> Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white >> people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it >> was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean >> offspring to live or be educated in Britain. >> >> As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, >> and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to >> understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the >> writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. >> >> --Gretchen Gerzina >> >> >> >> ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) >> 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) >> 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 >> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" >> To: >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf >> Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> >> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; >> reply-type=original >> >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the >> author >> was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with >> it. >> Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to >> majors in >> the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, >> since >> there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the >> author >> thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who >> has >> pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made >> no >> ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a >> divorced mixed-race woman. >> >> Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a >> well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal >> truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies >> of this >> (fantasy) novel. >> >> Stuart >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf >> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM >> To: Virginia Woolf >> Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf >> >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. >> >> Cheers, >> >> Kristin >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gWdo0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw$ >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 >> From: "Stuart N. Clarke" >> To: >> Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity >> Message-ID: >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, >> saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? >> >> What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it >> nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and >> Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? >> exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. >> >> ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form >> (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as >> a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage >> (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a >> >> ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain >> and sombre on her wedding day?? >> ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when >> they go to the altar!? >> ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only >> simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and >> ribbons never! Never!? >> (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) >> >> Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of >> distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it >> seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and >> saying ... you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from >> inclusivity in the modern sense. >> >> I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I >> was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? >> and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at >> Balliol). >> >> ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first >> Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? >> (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). >> >> There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely >> say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class >> background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual >> encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. >> But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate >> from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only >> working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s >> near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came >> from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father >> to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? >> (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). >> >> Stuart >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fpipermail*2Fvwoolf*2Fattachments*2F20220502*2F10601d8b*2Fattachment-0001.html&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=uGDAZ6mwOudO5JVAwwMWd7g8Y0pV6I*2FmzFaw96RzakQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RM6_ojetA$ >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 >> From: "Alice E. Staveley" >> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" >> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf >> Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Dear Stuart, >> >> While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I >> think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone >> asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to >> their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because >> there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around >> Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human >> costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that >> I take their readings as teachable moments. >> >> Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those >> thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, >> and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might >> ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s >> more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history >> students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen >> going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. >> This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and >> cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, >> along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs >> Dalloway. >> >> Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a >> contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself >> be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form >> of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, >> but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could >> help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical >> boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their >> continuing presence. >> >> Best wishes >> Alice >> >> Alice Staveley, D.Phil. >> Senior Lecturer >> Department of English >> Stanford University >> Director | Honors English >> Director | Digital Humanities Minor >> Co-Founder >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__http*3A*2F*2Fwww.modernistarchives.com__*3B!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=xXooGWXURhuHAOdbBu5GIERP6YFzqUI0t*2Fzx3eRw*2BlQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RPst1eVxQ$ >> >> >> >> On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the >> author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with >> it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to >> majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be >> ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her >> husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in >> India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she >> has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in >> marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. >> >> Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a >> well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal >> truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of >> this (fantasy) novel. >> >> Stuart >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf >> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM >> To: Virginia Woolf >> Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf >> >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. >> >> 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URL: From harish.trivedi at gmail.com Tue May 3 15:28:03 2022 From: harish.trivedi at gmail.com (Harish Trivedi) Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 00:58:03 +0530 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script In-Reply-To: References: <7C0CC805-429E-4740-BEE7-D62529A83D26@sover.net> Message-ID: The semantic transition from 'Anglo-Indian' meaning (i) a Britisher resident in India to (ii) a person of mixed blood, often called a 'Eurasian', seems to have taken place well before Mrs D was published. In 1918, the British government in India had reserved a seat for the 'Anglo-Indian' community in the legislative council, a reservation that the Government of independent India continued for many years after 1947, and in 1926, the groundswell of identity had emerged strongly enough for an All-India Anglo-Indian Association to be formed. Going further back, we may cite an undoubted authority on India and race, an author by the name of Rudyard Kipling (whom too I 'follow' as devotedly as I follow VW). Writing in an English-language newspaper in India a report on a political assembly of Indians and some sympathetic Englishmen held in Allahabad in 1888, he identified one of the speakers, an ex-army man, as "the brown Captain." This Eurasian took deep offence at the description, for though he acknowledged that he was Eurasian, he presumably did not think he looked anything but white. (One is reminded of Homi Bhabha's phrase 'not quite not white'.) So the Captain promptly rode up to the office of the newspaper, and administered a horse-whipping to the author -- except that he assumed that the anonymous author must have been the editor and so got hold of the wrong man. Kipling also has a couple of short stories in which Eurasians are not very kindly portrayed. But I must go back to the novel and look for dear Daisy (page number?) instead of waffling. Best wishes. Harish Harish Trivedi On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 00:24, Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hi Gretchen, > > Thanks for your points. > > However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was used > only for white English people living in India'- this is not the case in my > family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs Dalloway'. My > grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her father were not white > (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian colouring and > self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I think it is more > nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. > My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian (Anglo-Indian > mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context is important and > the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it and that way of life > did die out when India gained its independence. As we know, Woolf herself > was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. > > Warm wishes, > Marielle > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf > Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hello everyone, > > The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time Woolf > was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white English people > living in India. It wasn't until much later that the term changed to refer > to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is the way it is used today--and > the way it is generally defined now in dictionaries. But it was not used > that way when Mrs. Dalloway was written, as readers at that time would have > understood. > > Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including white > people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th century, it > was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their (white) Caribbean > offspring to live or be educated in Britain. > > As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic nuances, > and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's important to > understand how these words were used and understood at the time of the > writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. > > --Gretchen Gerzina > > > > ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) > 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) > 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. Staveley) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > To: > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the > author > was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with > it. > Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to > majors in > the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, > since > there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the > author > thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has > pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made > no > ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a > divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a > well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal > truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies > of this > (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gWdo0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw$ > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=B64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw$ > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > To: > Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, > saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? > > What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it > nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs Swithin and > Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? > exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. > > ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form > (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious use as > a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern English Usage > (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a > > ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so plain > and sombre on her wedding day?? > ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply when > they go to the altar!? > ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only > simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown and > ribbons never! Never!? > (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) > > Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of distinction > that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: ?it seems to me > the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... > you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from inclusivity in > the modern sense. > > I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when I > was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? > and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at > Balliol). > > ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my first > Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? > (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). > > There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely say > that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of working-class > background. There had, of course, been my London promiscuous sexual > encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. > But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as separate > from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the only > working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my family?s > near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone well who came > from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one visit with my father > to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? > (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). > > Stuart > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fpipermail*2Fvwoolf*2Fattachments*2F20220502*2F10601d8b*2Fattachment-0001.html&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=uGDAZ6mwOudO5JVAwwMWd7g8Y0pV6I*2FmzFaw96RzakQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RM6_ojetA$ > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 > From: "Alice E. Staveley" > To: "Stuart N. Clarke" > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Stuart, > > While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think > it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me > whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their > ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there > is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s > identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of > categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take > their readings as teachable moments. > > Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those > thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, > and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might > ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s > more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history > students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen > going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. > This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and > cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, > along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs > Dalloway. > > Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a > contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself > be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form > of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, > but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could > help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical > boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their > continuing presence. > > Best wishes > Alice > > Alice Staveley, D.Phil. > Senior Lecturer > Department of English > Stanford University > Director | Honors English > Director | Digital Humanities Minor > Co-Founder > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__http*3A*2F*2Fwww.modernistarchives.com__*3B!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A*24&data=05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=xXooGWXURhuHAOdbBu5GIERP6YFzqUI0t*2Fzx3eRw*2BlQ*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RPst1eVxQ$ > > > > On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the > author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with > it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to > majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be > ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her > husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in > India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she > has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in > marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a > well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal > truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of > this (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > 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Smith (she/her) Associate Professor, English & Modern Languages Shaver Distinguished Faculty Fellow in Teaching Lamar University, Member The Texas State University System Author, Virginia Woolf's Mythic Method Co-editor, Lamar Journal of the Humanities -----Original Message----- From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 2:29 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 6 Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cacsmith3*40lamar.edu*7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08da2d3b24b5*7C8cf8605bf7b2482486fb604423c32395*7C0*7C0*7C637872029290071224*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=6zhHlBaTWtngDvcV7Br54hXfNMAq*2BSEArGnGzTj0Y08*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BEjKI2vA$ or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: Flipping the script (Harish Trivedi) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 4 May 2022 00:58:03 +0530 From: Harish Trivedi > To: "Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD" > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >, Gretchen Gerzina > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The semantic transition from 'Anglo-Indian' meaning (i) a Britisher resident in India to (ii) a person of mixed blood, often called a 'Eurasian', seems to have taken place well before Mrs D was published. In 1918, the British government in India had reserved a seat for the 'Anglo-Indian' community in the legislative council, a reservation that the Government of independent India continued for many years after 1947, and in 1926, the groundswell of identity had emerged strongly enough for an All-India Anglo-Indian Association to be formed. Going further back, we may cite an undoubted authority on India and race, an author by the name of Rudyard Kipling (whom too I 'follow' as devotedly as I follow VW). Writing in an English-language newspaper in India a report on a political assembly of Indians and some sympathetic Englishmen held in Allahabad in 1888, he identified one of the speakers, an ex-army man, as "the brown Captain." This Eurasian took deep offence at the description, for though he acknowledged that he was Eurasian, he presumably did not think he looked anything but white. (One is reminded of Homi Bhabha's phrase 'not quite not white'.) So the Captain promptly rode up to the office of the newspaper, and administered a horse-whipping to the author -- except that he assumed that the anonymous author must have been the editor and so got hold of the wrong man. Kipling also has a couple of short stories in which Eurasians are not very kindly portrayed. But I must go back to the novel and look for dear Daisy (page number?) instead of waffling. Best wishes. Harish Harish Trivedi On Wed, 4 May 2022 at 00:24, Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hi Gretchen, > > Thanks for your points. > > However, I disagree with your comment, ' the term "Anglo-Indian" was > used only for white English people living in India'- this is not the > case in my family's experience around the time Woolf was writing 'Mrs > Dalloway'. My grandmother born in the 1920s, her siblings and her > father were not white (her mother was white Portuguese) but had Indian > colouring and self-identified and were considered Anglo-Indian- so I > think it is more nuanced and complex; and of course, race isn't always easy to categorise. > My father was white and referred to himself as Anglo-Indian > (Anglo-Indian mother and Anglo-Irish father). As you said, the context > is important and the term Anglo-Indian in the sense that Woolf knew it > and that way of life did die out when India gained its independence. > As we know, Woolf herself was part Anglo-Indian with Julia Stephen having Bengali heritage. > > Warm wishes, > Marielle > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Vwoolf > > > On Behalf Of Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf > Sent: 03 May 2022 15:00 > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Hello everyone, > > The important thing to remember in all of this is that at the time > Woolf was writing, the term "Anglo-Indian" was used only for white > English people living in India. It wasn't until much later that the > term changed to refer to mixed-race English/Indian people, which is > the way it is used today--and the way it is generally defined now in > dictionaries. But it was not used that way when Mrs. Dalloway was > written, as readers at that time would have understood. > > Similarly, the word "Creole" used to refer to all people, including > white people, who were born and raised in the Caribbean. In the 18th > century, it was used mainly for the plantocracy, who sent their > (white) Caribbean offspring to live or be educated in Britain. > > As a mixed-race person who is keenly aware of these linguistic > nuances, and teaches and writes about race in the UK, I think it's > important to understand how these words were used and understood at > the time of the writing in which they appear, and how that differs from today's usage. > > --Gretchen Gerzina > > > > ?On 5/2/22, 8:59 PM, "vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu on behalf of > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Feur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com*2F*3Furl*3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf*26amp*3Bdata*3D05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C*26amp*3Bsdata*3DB64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D*26amp*3Breserved*3D0__*3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAiw*24&data=05*7C01*7Cacsmith3*40lamar.edu*7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08da2d3b24b5*7C8cf8605bf7b2482486fb604423c32395*7C0*7C0*7C637872029290071224*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=7y1Rkp3EO52gwqxo0uXRMi5p0fw8LqWUMnyM3A0xjgk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUqKioqKiolJSUqKioqKioqKioqKioqKiolJSUqKiolJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BuSa2BSs$ > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Stuart N. Clarke) > 2. Inclusivity (Stuart N. Clarke) > 3. Re: Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf (Alice E. > Staveley) > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 10:49:35 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > > To: > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47 at StuartHP> > Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="utf-8"; > reply-type=original > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect > the author > was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran > with it. > Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to > majors in > the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be > ostracised, since > there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? > the author > thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has > pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has > made no > ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a > divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a > well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal > truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell > copies of this > (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furld__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BO4Rf0c4$ > efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Feur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.c > om%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww. > smh.com.au*2Fculture*2Fbooks*2Fflipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-2 > 0220421-p5af19.html__*3B!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZt > DOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS*24%26amp%3Bdata%3 > D05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0 > d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118* > 7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik > 1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26amp%3Bsdata%3D9KO3cBmGmykxhC2gW > do0kdGi5o2PcbPSTJv3C8XgaPo*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU > lJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOV > Ie-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RNfYqAdzw%24&data > =05%7C01%7Cacsmith3%40lamar.edu%7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08da2d3b24b5%7C8 > cf8605bf7b2482486fb604423c32395%7C0%7C0%7C637872029290071224%7CUnknown > %7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJ > XVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=LaCVnVp9PBmgPKihf%2FLaTSD7PdIfRB > UbKenJHEeFcIc%3D&reserved=0 > > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furld__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BO4Rf0c4$ > efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Feur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.c > om%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwool > f%26amp%3Bdata%3D05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e54047 > 74d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637 > 871833111229118*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2 > luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26amp%3Bsdata%3DB > 64j*2Fsdtz07tPfIhaQM5ueiuqP31KXs29007*2FL4UGTU*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0 > __%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUl!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxT > T9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RMVynKAi > w%24&data=05%7C01%7Cacsmith3%40lamar.edu%7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08d > a2d3b24b5%7C8cf8605bf7b2482486fb604423c32395%7C0%7C0%7C637872029290071 > 224%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTi > I6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=7y1Rkp3EO52gwqxo0uX > RMi5p0fw8LqWUMnyM3A0xjgk%3D&reserved=0 > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 2 May 2022 11:26:31 +0100 > From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > > To: > > Subject: [Vwoolf] Inclusivity > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wasn?t some reviewer/commentator quoted on this list not long ago, > saying that great writers were never inclusive, or some such rubbish? > > What we do have to remember that inclusivity as we understand it > nowadays is a very recent way of looking at the world (pace Mrs > Swithin and Prof Godbole). Previously, distinguishing people one from the other ? > exclusivity ? was how one looked at life. > > ?*doct(o)ress.* It is a serious inconvenience that neither form > (-tress would be the better) has been brought into any but facetious > use as a prefixed title? (H. W. Fowler, ?A Dictionary of Modern > English Usage > (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1926), p. 120a > > ?What has given Jenufa this strange idea, that her dress is so > plain and sombre on her wedding day?? > ?What, Jenufa? All the finest gentry dress plainly and simply > when they go to the altar!? > ?Gentle folk have their own fashions and customs, but we are only > simple people! I?d never dream of being wed without my bridal crown > and ribbons never! Never!? > (Libretto to Janacek?s opera) > > Of course, in 3G Woolf deplores the uniforms and badges of > distinction that set men off from one another. Of course, she writes: > ?it seems to me the wrong way to live, drawing chalk marks round ones feet, and saying ... > you can?t come in? (L no. 3111). But she?s a long way from > inclusivity in the modern sense. > > I?m was reminded about isolated people were from one another, when > I was reading recently two collections I?ve had for 45 years, ?My Cambridge? > and ?My Oxford? (I hadn?t realised how miserable Nigel Nicolson was at > Balliol). > > ?it was not till my first term at Cambridge that I spoke to my > first Jew and met my first black man (from Blackpool and Jamaica respectively)? > (John Vaizey (1929-84), went up to Queens? in 1948). > > There could be an advantage if you were gay: ?I think I can safely > say that, until I went to Oxford, I had never known anyone of > working-class background. There had, of course, been my London > promiscuous sexual encounters. Many of these had been with cockney working-class young men. > But this life which had begun before I was sixteen was a world as > separate from my daily life as were my dreams ... Apart from that, the > only working-class people I had known were servants ? and, given my > family?s near penury, these were not many. I had never known anyone > well who came from north of the Home Counties; and, apart from one > visit with my father to Scotland ... I had never penetrated into England north of Hampstead? > (Angus Wilson (1913-91, went up to Merton in 1935). > > Stuart > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furld__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BO4Rf0c4$ > efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Feur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.c > om%2F%3Furl%3Dhttp*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fpipermail*2Fvwoolf*2Fattach > ments*2F20220502*2F10601d8b*2Fattachment-0001.html%26amp%3Bdata%3D05*7 > C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da2d0d771f > *7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637871833111229118*7CUnk > nown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWw > iLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26amp%3Bsdata%3DuGDAZ6mwOudO5JVAwwMWd7 > g8Y0pV6I*2FmzFaw96RzakQ*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJS > UlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00LcJyqgOVIe-bADJ > PGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RM6_ojetA%24&data=05%7C0 > 1%7Cacsmith3%40lamar.edu%7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08da2d3b24b5%7C8cf8605b > f7b2482486fb604423c32395%7C0%7C0%7C637872029290071224%7CUnknown%7CTWFp > bGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn > 0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=2Yr7EqIai9g0W5e7cY94qKrDGRlwJVgceDjuSXV > RTDM%3D&reserved=0 > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 3 May 2022 00:59:10 +0000 > From: "Alice E. Staveley" > > To: "Stuart N. Clarke" > > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > Message-ID: <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C at stanford.edu> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Dear Stuart, > > While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I > think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway > someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an > outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful > ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace > your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a > novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that > deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. > > Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all > those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, > gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. > Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, > as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics > themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of > colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. > This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and > cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the > era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in > Mrs Dalloway. > > Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a > contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might > herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous > novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have > not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later > messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how > limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of > history? reminds us of their continuing presence. > > Best wishes > Alice > > Alice Staveley, D.Phil. > Senior Lecturer > Department of English > Stanford University > Director | Honors English > Director | Digital Humanities Minor > Co-Founder > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furld__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!wTAmBItO0WkQYMO4yzhs77qrwbDI2DzeVi-5Pf3GTxY6g7oIXw60SJvpzXeibjGkMWAdkM1B_vxdUV2BO4Rf0c4$ > efense.com%2Fv3%2F__https%3A%2F%2Feur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.c > om%2F%3Furl%3Dhttps*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__http*3A*2F*2Fwww.m > odernistarchives.com__*3B!!KGKeukY!2inlIeW3w_4VAb66R45ANjZAQ1E8A2_vDx3 > tc_G_UeKinc3JEJOliRBllIHTtoD6mmakcmYnIH0DOWS5U-15HQeH1A*24%26amp%3Bdat > a%3D05*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Ce3ca2e5404774d4f1e9e08da > 2d0d771f*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C6378718331112291 > 18*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI > 6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C%26amp%3Bsdata%3DxXooGWXURhuHAO > dbBu5GIERP6YFzqUI0t*2Fzx3eRw*2BlQ*3D%26amp%3Breserved%3D0__%3BJSUlJSUl > JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!zplAA2EKMSk0VvxWfpVKTxTT9u00Lc > JyqgOVIe-bADJPGGeLIOqnl-WVG_JpULKAwzzZtBRE2jpvC0VPtj0m2RPst1eVxQ%24&am > p;data=05%7C01%7Cacsmith3%40lamar.edu%7C0b05995234bb4e478c2f08da2d3b24 > b5%7C8cf8605bf7b2482486fb604423c32395%7C0%7C0%7C637872029290071224%7CU > nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha > WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=%2FiwKwk2T%2BuXfwIKIPt5ajf > Hv39f3oEkaE42yicV6pOI%3D&reserved=0 > > > > On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu>> wrote: > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect > the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and > ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly > married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem > to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or > is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in > Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his > marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional > problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. > > Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking > a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal > societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell > copies of this (fantasy) novel. > > Stuart > > -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf > Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. > > Cheers, > > Kristin > > > 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Sending, receiving or forwarding of confidential, proprietary and privileged information is prohibited under Lamar Policy. If you received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender and delete this e-mail from your system. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sat May 7 09:20:40 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 13:20:40 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy Message-ID: For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!1S2yEmBWFgTFAjrMnEvH_JfL9aUkYyh3R_OlksbH7IGauwlvYAiX0dg-FuQ1Q4Q6UH1Nfj5MmKw1-1IiiSBOoq7vwSH3U_bQV5BAy9c$ This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. I wonder if, in terms of class, "Daisy" suggests the lower end of the social scale. Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word "dark" is used. "Out came with his pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever seen of her." "And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed (he could hear her)." "Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw what people said." "(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the envelopes)". As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph Conrad's first novel Almayer's Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his "half-caste" daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina's beauty. 'The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.' Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ellen.moody at gmail.com Sat May 7 09:29:18 2022 From: ellen.moody at gmail.com (Ellen Moody) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 09:29:18 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I suggest the name Daisy was associated with servants. A classic modern case: Daisy in Downton Abbey. In Little Women, the oldest sister, Margaret or Meg, has twins and one girl is called Daisy to distinguish her from her mother. Meg and Maggie seem to have retained connotations with upper class casualness as in Lady Betty for Lady Elizabeth. Ellen Moody On Sat, May 7, 2022 at 9:21 AM Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged > dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!ziIwb9ZGTdNB9IM6yLbq4qZCsE1asHz54ANK59CluNGJq4ivUnu1MK3jz1lZbg1WtjH-Sf73V8k6DXxsF1TOAek9n-i1BkMdeg$ This of course may not apply to > India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged > dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing *Mrs Dalloway*. See > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!ziIwb9ZGTdNB9IM6yLbq4qZCsE1asHz54ANK59CluNGJq4ivUnu1MK3jz1lZbg1WtjH-Sf73V8k6DXxsF1TOAek9n-i1BkMdeg$ > > > > > This of course may not apply to India, and in *Mrs Dalloway* Daisy would > presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. > > > > I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the > social scale. > > > > Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this > would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every > time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his > pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with > a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever > seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed > (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end > of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw > what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the > envelopes)?. > > > > As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph > Conrad?s first novel *Almayer?s Folly*, set in Bornean Sambir and > published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and > his ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s > beauty. > > > > ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused > by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful > and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This > thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with > composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's > polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.? > > > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > Professor Emeritus > > NTNU > > 7491 Trondheim > > Norway > > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Sat May 7 11:00:54 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:00:54 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the time of Daisy?s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a ?common? name ? I don?t think I?ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant?s aunt was Daisy McNeil (d. 1947). It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them, except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they?ve retired Home), no children (they?ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at Home). As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful (rather than ?pretty?). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn?t last. ?The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways. They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder and paint preparations which promised ?Four shades whiter in four weeks!? Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had never been].? (?Women of the Raj? by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018), pp. 58-9). Stuart ?Half-caste woman, living a life apart, ?Where did your story begin?? (Noel Coward, 1931) From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:20 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!yrXONB7oJZX-AIGKRMDEvABmlLiPdqqqTQpz2FXm6uFw_8QVNrU0zZHwtLHqQ3fOUgoAykloI3z47GRM3mOs_2E18aUeVECsoQ$ This of course may not apply to India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!yrXONB7oJZX-AIGKRMDEvABmlLiPdqqqTQpz2FXm6uFw_8QVNrU0zZHwtLHqQ3fOUgoAykloI3z47GRM3mOs_2E18aUeVECsoQ$ This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the social scale. Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the envelopes)?. As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph Conrad?s first novel Almayer?s Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s beauty. ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.? Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sat May 7 11:20:41 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 15:20:41 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances? the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her disreputable and slovenly sister is named Daisy. Then there are Daisy Miller, and Daisy in The Great Gatsby. As for the belief that non-European beauty fades fast, here are a few lines from Conrad?s second novel, An Outcast of the Islands, which is set before the time of Almayer?s Folly (and to complete this backwards movement, the third novel in the series, The Resue, is set prior to both of the other novels in the trilogy). At the end of An Outcast of the Islands, a ?traveller? asks Almayer about the beautiful A?ssa, who has figured prominently in the novel. ?You have seen her. She brought in the dinner with Ali.? ?What! That doubled-up crone?? ?Ah!? said Almayer. ?They age quickly here. And long foggy nights spent in the bush will soon break the strongest backs ? as you will find out yourself soon.? ?Dis . . . disgusting,? growled the traveller.? Going off at a tangent, does anyone else share my perception that the less attractive the man , the more likely it is that he will comment on the beauty or otherwise of women? Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 7. mai 2022 17:01 Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the time of Daisy?s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a ?common? name ? I don?t think I?ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant?s aunt was Daisy McNeil (d. 1947). It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them, except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they?ve retired Home), no children (they?ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at Home). As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful (rather than ?pretty?). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn?t last. ?The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways. They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder and paint preparations which promised ?Four shades whiter in four weeks!? Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had never been].? (?Women of the Raj? by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018), pp. 58-9). Stuart ?Half-caste woman, living a life apart, ?Where did your story begin?? (Noel Coward, 1931) From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:20 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!2dw6i5ZAcbFshN42g9HFvYEDjUkEdeT1ip7xgYli2DWKXS0n5uBALdVXJ8VxZzHcBrg4rIK4vA89EvcUHpeHurbjBiug2gU$ This of course may not apply to India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!2dw6i5ZAcbFshN42g9HFvYEDjUkEdeT1ip7xgYli2DWKXS0n5uBALdVXJ8VxZzHcBrg4rIK4vA89EvcUHpeHurbjBiug2gU$ This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the social scale. Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the envelopes)?. As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph Conrad?s first novel Almayer?s Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s beauty. ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.? Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sparks at clemson.edu Sat May 7 16:23:17 2022 From: sparks at clemson.edu (Elisa Sparks) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 20:23:17 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: <9295B2791BE5487D8B6912A7707DDA5A@StuartHP> References: <227D222ACACE416EBBD5E610BC2C0E47@StuartHP> <14324AE1-CED9-4D46-B055-526F0F789A1C@stanford.edu> <9295B2791BE5487D8B6912A7707DDA5A@StuartHP> Message-ID: You might want to take a look at my entry on daisies in the Woolf Herbarium" https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html__;!!KGKeukY!1xCIM9k18ynMHylHTcKenT-A51lPZXxsIYG5Ey2vsN0hOO7Exqn6UvSj8QrjjFr7P421bfVn5DtE5t1SlSr61Q$ As one might expect, Woolf's 42 references to daisies as flowers are quite ambivalent: "Given the dialectical variety with which Woolf deconstructs the daisy?s attributes -- opening the day?s eye in the dark, subjecting delicacy to destruction, chaining change -- it should come as no surprise when Woolf turns her irony onto the flower?s gender affiliations." [https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-xKC0rSJxPcE/XpNrul5i57I/AAAAAAAAGrA/tFD3d9dIwQEpeMchxpzbqnb2_v2cUVuFACLcBGAsYHQ/w1200-h630-p-k-no-nu/english-daisies.jpg__;!!KGKeukY!1xCIM9k18ynMHylHTcKenT-A51lPZXxsIYG5Ey2vsN0hOO7Exqn6UvSj8QrjjFr7P421bfVn5DtE5t0eBTRZMA$ ] #30 Daisy Daisy Although many different flowers are called daisies, most sources agree that references to the common daisy usually allude to... woolfherbarium.blogspot.com ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 1:40 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf If Daisy were mixed race, then Woolf might appear less racist and ?Mrs. Dalloway? more ?inclusive?. If only . . . There?s nothing wrong with the students? question, for, as the years go by, Woolf?s social world ? the world she took for granted ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd If Daisy were mixed race, then Woolf might appear less racist and ?Mrs. Dalloway? more ?inclusive?. If only . . . There?s nothing wrong with the students? question, for, as the years go by, Woolf?s social world ? the world she took for granted ? becomes more remote, and therefore needs more and more explication. Of course, it may be stimulating and informative and educative to discuss this mixed-race possibility, slipping off at a tangent from MD. What I object to is an open-ended answer: ?Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white?? Because not to do so is ripping the text apart to suit your own agenda, or to cater to the susceptibilities of your audience. Perhaps you are imagining Woolf writing for an audience 100 years after publication: everyone will assume Daisy is white for 100 years, and then readers will realise what she was really getting at. If someone in 1920s London told you that a friend was visiting from Jamaica, you would have assumed the friend to be white; you would have expected it to be specifically mentioned if s/he was black. Stuart From: Alice E. Staveley Sent: Tuesday, May 3, 2022 1:59 AM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf Dear Stuart, While I have deliberated responding en groupe to this message, I think it?s important to note that every year I teach Mrs Dalloway someone asks me whether Daisy could be mixed race (Eurasian an outdated term to their ears). This is not naive reading or willful ignorance, but because there is sufficient textual ambiguity (pace your bullet points) around Daisy?s identity and role in the novel ? a novel all about the deep human costs of categorical boxes that deleteriously hem in people?s lives ? that I take their readings as teachable moments. Textual ambiguity is a wonderful place to start unpacking all those thorny questions about representation, including racial, sexual, gendered, and class segregations, alongside their historical roots. Why, one might ask, should we assume Daisy is white? Statistically, as you note, that?s more probable, but then again those statistics themselves have a history students need to learn in the context of colonialist fears about Englishmen going to India without wives to keep them ?honest?. This can open up a rich seam of discussion about other legal and cultural prohibitions and prescriptions against miscegenation in the era, along with the general interrogation of the ?marriage plot' in Mrs Dalloway. Given my students? responses, it is not to me surprising that a contemporary Australian writer of Goan-Anglo Indian heritage might herself be inspired to find in creative adaptation of Woolf?s famous novel a form of reinterpretation that is more than mercenary. I have not read her book, but I believe, as I think the spirit of your later messages imply, it could help us all take a hard look at just how limiting are fixed categorical boxes, however much the 'nightmare of history? reminds us of their continuing presence. Best wishes Alice Alice Staveley, D.Phil. Senior Lecturer Department of English Stanford University Director | Honors English Director | Digital Humanities Minor Co-Founder https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.modernistarchives.com__;!!KGKeukY!1xCIM9k18ynMHylHTcKenT-A51lPZXxsIYG5Ey2vsN0hOO7Exqn6UvSj8QrjjFr7P421bfVn5DtE5t2rktGBiA$ On May 2, 2022, at 2:49 AM, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Dear oh dear oh dear. So Daisy is a Eurasian, is she? I expect the author was tempted by the ref. to Daisy's being "very dark" - and ran with it. Shall we speculate on how many Eurasians were publicly married to majors in the Indian Army at that time? Daisy doesn't seem to be ostracised, since there are refs. to Majors Orde and Simmons (or is he her husband? the author thinks so). Peter Walsh has confided in Mrs Burgess in India, who has pointed out the disadvantages of his marrying Daisy, but she has made no ref. to the enormous additional problems he would face in marrying a divorced mixed-race woman. Instead of "There?s something wonderfully subversive about taking a well-known Western text and flipping it inside out to reveal societal truths", it's sounds more like piggy-backing on Woolf to sell copies of this (fantasy) novel. Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Kristin Czarnecki via Vwoolf Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2022 10:04 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Flipping the script on Virginia Woolf !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! A new book explores the character of Daisy from MD. Cheers, Kristin https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.smh.com.au/culture/books/flipping-the-script-on-virginia-woolf-20220421-p5af19.html__;!!KGKeukY!w50Arb0a5ofxhJOyZPHpOsXJraydeip_jzZtDOaYSEyFlmGP2tmXSSwCzC0khnSfwRUDOj5Cxidp6LmOjPFABwtS$ Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mhussey at verizon.net Sat May 7 16:45:57 2022 From: mhussey at verizon.net (mhussey at verizon.net) Date: Sat, 7 May 2022 16:45:57 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 11:21 AM To: Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances? the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her disreputable and ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances? the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her disreputable and slovenly sister is named Daisy. Then there are Daisy Miller, and Daisy in The Great Gatsby. As for the belief that non-European beauty fades fast, here are a few lines from Conrad?s second novel, An Outcast of the Islands, which is set before the time of Almayer?s Folly (and to complete this backwards movement, the third novel in the series, The Resue, is set prior to both of the other novels in the trilogy). At the end of An Outcast of the Islands, a ?traveller? asks Almayer about the beautiful A?ssa, who has figured prominently in the novel. ?You have seen her. She brought in the dinner with Ali.? ?What! That doubled-up crone?? ?Ah!? said Almayer. ?They age quickly here. And long foggy nights spent in the bush will soon break the strongest backs ? as you will find out yourself soon.? ?Dis . . . disgusting,? growled the traveller.? Going off at a tangent, does anyone else share my perception that the less attractive the man , the more likely it is that he will comment on the beauty or otherwise of women? Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf > P? vegne av Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 7. mai 2022 17:01 Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the time of Daisy?s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a ?common? name ? I don?t think I?ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant?s aunt was Daisy McNeil (d. 1947). It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them, except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they?ve retired Home), no children (they?ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at Home). As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful (rather than ?pretty?). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn?t last. ?The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways. They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder and paint preparations which promised ?Four shades whiter in four weeks!? Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had never been].? (?Women of the Raj? by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018), pp. 58-9). Stuart ?Half-caste woman, living a life apart, ?Where did your story begin?? (Noel Coward, 1931) From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:20 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!xTVBbwpoe8tH0ZVIrQ4jUk1VUwXh_Cq7G2grrDyAbsm9vZfLq3nTXQm_1PD4FMQpbqElQYF8N_pGg7PSD0Xawg$ This of course may not apply to India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!xTVBbwpoe8tH0ZVIrQ4jUk1VUwXh_Cq7G2grrDyAbsm9vZfLq3nTXQm_1PD4FMQpbqElQYF8N_pGg7PSD0Xawg$ This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the social scale. Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the envelopes)?. As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph Conrad?s first novel Almayer?s Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s beauty. ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.? Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway _____ _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mefoleyuk at gmail.com Sat May 7 19:47:02 2022 From: mefoleyuk at gmail.com (Mary Ellen Foley) Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 01:47:02 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> References: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> Message-ID: > > > > Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine > Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? 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In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances? > the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her > disreputable and > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd_8Qce7sypKqf_F7vwTqAJlYLqkzZd51tij15Y7UfhxnGjDZy8luwGYXMENFPzFxNGAOG4U4gltqfNZKULWGKU82Q2DMZ5iZHsm2Eh4ye09QxtwzWQ060yHXqw$> > Report Suspicious ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > There is probably an obvious natural symbolism at work here. Daisies grow > wild and are common. In the British comedy series ?Keeping up Appearances? > the snobbish Mrs Bucket (pronounced bouquet) is named Hyacinth, while her > disreputable and slovenly sister is named Daisy. Then there are Daisy > Miller, and Daisy in The Great Gatsby. > > > > As for the belief that non-European beauty fades fast, here are a few > lines from Conrad?s second novel, An Outcast of the Islands, which is set > before the time of Almayer?s Folly (and to complete this backwards > movement, the third novel in the series, The Resue, is set prior to both of > the other novels in the trilogy). At the end of An Outcast of the Islands, > a ?traveller? asks Almayer about the beautiful A?ssa, who has figured > prominently in the novel. > > > > ?You have seen her. She brought in the dinner with Ali.? > > ?What! That doubled-up crone?? > > ?Ah!? said Almayer. ?They age quickly here. And long foggy > nights spent in the bush will soon break the strongest backs ? as you will > find out yourself soon.? > > ?Dis . . . disgusting,? growled the traveller.? > > > > Going off at a tangent, does anyone else share my perception that the less > attractive the man , the more likely it is that he will comment on the > beauty or otherwise of women? > > > > Jeremy H > > > > Fra: Vwoolf vwoolf-bounces at lists.osu.edu> > P? vegne av Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > Sendt: l?rdag 7. mai 2022 17:01 > Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy > > > > It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s > own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly Victorian > to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. Daisy was a > nickname for Margaret, > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdPeZPo8hhajmxnw7E9klPorj-NLXdb0fD9erAxgFtv0YPimSLf2YiTzAndZ3JuFLeJVNCDXWUvEzmXZDu0vdqHjxpkA$> > Report Suspicious ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > It?s a dodgy business pontificating about names: one tends to impose one?s > own prejudices and one?s own times on them. E.g. Emily ? quaintly > Victorian to me. Pams are all of a certain age; Susans not much better. > Daisy was a nickname for Margaret, then had a life of its own when flower > names became popular at the end of the 19th C. Daisy was born about the > time of Daisy?s greatest popularity. I wonder if that popularity was > influenced by the music-hall song (that everyone still knows, even small > children). If so, that suggests to me that those influenced are not likely > to have been the well-to-do. (I always think of it as a ?common? name ? I > don?t think I?ve ever met a Daisy.) Duncan Grant?s aunt was Daisy McNeil > (d. 1947). > > > > It has to be remembered that the Raj was a very middle class closed > society, consisting largely of young and middle-aged people. There was no > aristocracy (except the Viceroy), no working classes (no jobs for them, > except ordinary soldiers in the Indian Army), no elderly (they?ve retired > Home), no children (they?ve been sent off to boarding school, preferably at > Home). > > > > As for half-caste women, they were often observed to be very beautiful > (rather than ?pretty?). The trouble was, it was remarked, they didn?t last. > > > > ?The British who chose to stay on [in India] were mainly from the lower > levels of society, often retired soldiers, who got jobs on the railways. > They married girls who called themselves European but who were widely > suspected of being Eurasian. ... They were a sad group, not wanting to be > Indian yet not accepted fully as part of the ruling race. Respectable > British society laughed at them ... They were not asked to join the Clubs > or invited to the best parties. ... The [Eurasian] girls, who were often > very beautiful, tried to obliterate any hint of Indian blood with powder > and paint preparations which promised ?Four shades whiter in four weeks!? > Their dream was to marry a British husband and go Home [where they had > never been].? (?Women of the Raj? by Margaret MacMillan (2nd edn, 2018), > pp. 58-9). > > > > Stuart > > > > ?Half-caste woman, living a life apart, > > ?Where did your story begin?? > > (Noel Coward, 1931) > > > > From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > > Sent: Saturday, May 7, 2022 2:20 PM > > To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu> > > Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy > > > > For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged > dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!xTVBbwpoe8tH0ZVIrQ4jUk1VUwXh_Cq7G2grrDyAbsm9vZfLq3nTXQm_1PD4FMQpbqElQYF8N_pGg7PSD0Xawg$ > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!yrXONB7oJZX-AIGKRMDEvABmlLiPdqqqTQpz2FXm6uFw_8QVNrU0zZHwtLHqQ3fOUgoAykloI3z47GRM3mOs_2E18aUeVECsoQ$> > This of course may not apply to India, and in ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6keeiDqihaHHhHmostB_IoMr8v92fXVPPE2lJ8vsuPR9kUdH0NYrQvLlbmw43vPU026Kf3wQoJIQos0KjS-nbI0UtGSZc1uOQFbXJ3hTh47p_mxyNvZUL3VWiMrApg1j26oJ0$> > Report Suspicious ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > For some reason the popularity of the name Daisy in the UK plunged > dramatically (why?) just about when Woolf was writing Mrs Dalloway. See > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!xTVBbwpoe8tH0ZVIrQ4jUk1VUwXh_Cq7G2grrDyAbsm9vZfLq3nTXQm_1PD4FMQpbqElQYF8N_pGg7PSD0Xawg$ > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.ukbabynames.com/girls/daisy__;!!KGKeukY!1S2yEmBWFgTFAjrMnEvH_JfL9aUkYyh3R_OlksbH7IGauwlvYAiX0dg-FuQ1Q4Q6UH1Nfj5MmKw1-1IiiSBOoq7vwSH3U_bQV5BAy9c$> > > > > > This of course may not apply to India, and in Mrs Dalloway Daisy would > presumably have been baptised when the name was popular. > > > > I wonder if, in terms of class, ?Daisy? suggests the lower end of the > social scale. > > > > Peter Walsh is 53 and Daisy is 24, married, and with 2 children. All this > would raise an eyebrow even today . . . It certainly is striking that every > time Peter Walsh thinks of her, the word ?dark? is used. ?Out came with his > pocket-knife a snapshot of Daisy on the verandah; Daisy all in white, with > a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark; the best he had ever > seen of her.? ?And the dark, adorably pretty girl on the verandah exclaimed > (he could hear her).? ?Vainly the dark, adorably pretty girl ran to the end > of the terrace; vainly waved her hand; vainly cried she didn't care a straw > what people said.? ?(and the dark, adorably pretty face was on top of the > envelopes)?. > > > > As for attitudes towards those of mixed ethnic backgrounds, Joseph > Conrad?s first novel Almayer?s Folly, set in Bornean Sambir and published > in 1895, includes a meeting between Dutch officers, Almayer, and his > ?half-caste? daughter Nina. One young officer is taken aback by Nina?s > beauty. > > > > ?The young sub began to recover from the astonishment and confusion caused > by Nina's unexpected appearance and great beauty. "She was very beautiful > and imposing," he reflected, "but after all a half-caste girl." This > thought caused him to pluck up heart and look at Nina sideways. Nina, with > composed face, was answering in a low, even voice the elder officer's > polite questions as to the country and her mode of life.? > > > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > Professor Emeritus > > NTNU > > 7491 Trondheim > > Norway > > > > _____ > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220507/b80ba5dd/attachment-0001.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 01:47:02 +0200 > From: Mary Ellen Foley > To: mhussey at verizon.net > Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy > Message-ID: > F8T6a3ePk6hQ+AqJmwXt2Gyo7RnXw at mail.gmail.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > > > > > Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine > > Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? > > > ANd Daisy Buchanon in *The Great Gatsby, *1925 -- definitely upper-crusty. > > mef > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220508/830e944b/attachment.html > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 10 > *************************************** > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sun May 8 03:49:00 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 07:49:00 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy Message-ID: I woke up in the middle of the night recalling another, strange, Daisy. It is the nickname that Steerforth bestows on David Copperfield in Dickens's novel. 'My dear young Davy,' he [Steerforth] said, clapping me on the shoulder again, 'you are a very Daisy. The daisy of the field, at sunrise, is not fresher than you are.' When the evening was pretty far spent, and a tray of glasses and decanters came in, Steerforth promised, over the fire, that he would seriously think of going down into the country with me. There was no hurry, he said; a week hence would do; and his mother hospitably said the same. While we were talking, he more than once called me Daisy; which brought Miss Dartle out again. 'But really, Mr. Copperfield,' she asked, 'is it a nickname? And why does he give it you? Is it - eh? - because he thinks you young and innocent? I am so stupid in these things.' I coloured in replying that I believed it was. As a million examination questions have it: "Discuss." Jeremy H Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neverowv1 at southernct.edu Sun May 8 11:04:07 2022 From: neverowv1 at southernct.edu (Neverow, Vara S.) Date: Sun, 8 May 2022 15:04:07 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] A different thread..."Meet the New Old Book Collectors" Message-ID: Greetings, Below is the link to a New York Times article that would be of some interest to book collectors.... https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/07/style/rare-used-book-collectors.html__;!!KGKeukY!xXuCbmsbwOgjrYezGqBHMBB_dpWaXJuiHQsx9TuUZOxJqVBKUSzMAtZIObjh5OJgtOfJ6oEWDSkNTEqJzPxW-9i9M5Nk$ [https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://static01.nyt.com/images/2022/05/08/style/07RAREBOOKS1/07RAREBOOKS1-facebookJumbo.jpg__;!!KGKeukY!xXuCbmsbwOgjrYezGqBHMBB_dpWaXJuiHQsx9TuUZOxJqVBKUSzMAtZIObjh5OJgtOfJ6oEWDSkNTEqJzPxW-0tg4gvw$ ] Meet the New Old Book Collectors - The New York Times Several young attendees stood out among the business-attire-and-book-core crowd at the fair ? in particular Laura Jaeger, a petite 22-year-old with a shock of pink hair.Her mother, Jennifer ... https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.nytimes.com__;!!KGKeukY!xXuCbmsbwOgjrYezGqBHMBB_dpWaXJuiHQsx9TuUZOxJqVBKUSzMAtZIObjh5OJgtOfJ6oEWDSkNTEqJzPxW-0fTh9py$ ? ? You may also want to peruse Catherine Hollis's special issue of the Miscellany that features a range of reminiscences about book collecting among Woolfians. The issue can be accessed at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://virginiawoolfmiscellany.files.wordpress.com/2020/02/vwm95springsummer2019_final.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!xXuCbmsbwOgjrYezGqBHMBB_dpWaXJuiHQsx9TuUZOxJqVBKUSzMAtZIObjh5OJgtOfJ6oEWDSkNTEqJzPxW-6NVHqAf$ . The issue also happens to include an advert for Honey & Wax in Brooklyn, NY, a bookstore that is mentioned in the New York Times article. Vara Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From helen at uoregon.edu Mon May 9 13:56:40 2022 From: helen at uoregon.edu (Helen Southworth) Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 17:56:40 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Has anyone mentioned Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick (1861-1938), thought to have inspired the song about "a bicycle made for two" and known for her unorthodox choices? I don't see any links to India for Greville, but one of the men with whom she had an affair and several illegitimate children was Lord Charles Beresford who does have ties to India. He also fell in love with and proposed multiple times to Nancy Wahinekapu Sunmer, Hawaiian high chiefess, of Hawaiian, Tahitian, and English descent. Just a runaway thought!!! Helen https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Greville,_Countess_of_Warwick__;!!KGKeukY!xpgI21Agmki6r1ACpuvSrXV7fv1GrsOV9S-nh2cXeXlFnl5GWuOk6XYzS_ml1JQq8vwUXmYhh7Vf4IZGrIJR$ [https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/99/Daisy_Greville*2C_Countess_of_Warwick.jpg__;JQ!!KGKeukY!xpgI21Agmki6r1ACpuvSrXV7fv1GrsOV9S-nh2cXeXlFnl5GWuOk6XYzS_ml1JQq8vwUXmYhh7Vf4OoqwRev$ ] Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick - Wikipedia Frances Evelyn "Daisy" Greville, Countess of Warwick (n?e Maynard; 10 December 1861 ? 26 July 1938) was a British socialite and philanthropist.Although embedded in late-Victorian British high society, she was also a campaigning socialist, supporting many schemes to aid the less well off in education, housing, employment, and pay.She established colleges for the education of women in ... en.wikipedia.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Sumner__;!!KGKeukY!xpgI21Agmki6r1ACpuvSrXV7fv1GrsOV9S-nh2cXeXlFnl5GWuOk6XYzS_ml1JQq8vwUXmYhh7Vf4NlvRjmD$ [https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/8c/Nancy_Sumner_age_20.jpg/1200px-Nancy_Sumner_age_20.jpg__;!!KGKeukY!xpgI21Agmki6r1ACpuvSrXV7fv1GrsOV9S-nh2cXeXlFnl5GWuOk6XYzS_ml1JQq8vwUXmYhh7Vf4MuRZ6Jc$ ] Nancy Sumner - Wikipedia Nancy Wahinekapu Sumner (March 9, 1839 ? January 10, 1895) was a high chiefess during the Kingdom of Hawaii of Hawaiian, Tahitian and English descent. She served as lady-in-waiting of Queen Emma and was one of the most prominent ladies of the Hawaiian royal court during the reigns of Kamehameha IV and Kamehameha V en.wikipedia.org ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 12:49 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy I woke up in the middle of the night recalling another, strange, Daisy. It is the nickname that Steerforth bestows on David Copperfield in Dickens?s novel. ?My dear young Davy,? he [Steerforth] said, clapping me on the shoulder ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I woke up in the middle of the night recalling another, strange, Daisy. It is the nickname that Steerforth bestows on David Copperfield in Dickens?s novel. ?My dear young Davy,? he [Steerforth] said, clapping me on the shoulder again, ?you are a very Daisy. The daisy of the field, at sunrise, is not fresher than you are.? When the evening was pretty far spent, and a tray of glasses and decanters came in, Steerforth promised, over the fire, that he would seriously think of going down into the country with me. There was no hurry, he said; a week hence would do; and his mother hospitably said the same. While we were talking, he more than once called me Daisy; which brought Miss Dartle out again. ?But really, Mr. Copperfield,? she asked, ?is it a nickname? And why does he give it you? Is it - eh? - because he thinks you young and innocent? I am so stupid in these things.? I coloured in replying that I believed it was. As a million examination questions have it: ?Discuss.? Jeremy H Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon May 9 13:59:33 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 9 May 2022 18:59:33 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <757CB0FB95884EF1B2C1E7291BA298A2@StuartHP> No, because it was a nickname. Stuart From: Helen Southworth via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 6:56 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu ; Jeremy Hawthorn Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy Has anyone mentioned Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick (1861-1938), thought to have inspired the song about "a bicycle made for two" and known for her unorthodox choices? I don't see any links to India for Greville, but one of the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Has anyone mentioned Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick (1861-1938), thought to have inspired the song about "a bicycle made for two" and known for her unorthodox choices? I don't see any links to India for Greville, but one of the men with whom she had an affair and several illegitimate children was Lord Charles Beresford who does have ties to India. He also fell in love with and proposed multiple times to Nancy Wahinekapu Sunmer, Hawaiian high chiefess, of Hawaiian, Tahitian, and English descent. Just a runaway thought!!! Helen https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daisy_Greville,_Countess_of_Warwick__;!!KGKeukY!wb0feQy-HcbsnDokHe9PkAdSwOwxcSuzMDQyVQahtOzPyJyH8kpSakub-FDTV--_lMCGT3UrZiLAhoU_twyB5latf43PD91usg$ Daisy Greville, Countess of Warwick - Wikipedia Frances Evelyn "Daisy" Greville, Countess of Warwick (n?e Maynard; 10 December 1861 ? 26 July 1938) was a British socialite and philanthropist.Although embedded in late-Victorian British high society, she was also a campaigning socialist, supporting many schemes to aid the less well off in education, housing, employment, and pay.She established colleges for the education of women in ... en.wikipedia.org https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nancy_Sumner__;!!KGKeukY!wb0feQy-HcbsnDokHe9PkAdSwOwxcSuzMDQyVQahtOzPyJyH8kpSakub-FDTV--_lMCGT3UrZiLAhoU_twyB5latf40Ef6wWHQ$ Nancy Sumner - Wikipedia Nancy Wahinekapu Sumner (March 9, 1839 ? January 10, 1895) was a high chiefess during the Kingdom of Hawaii of Hawaiian, Tahitian and English descent. She served as lady-in-waiting of Queen Emma and was one of the most prominent ladies of the Hawaiian royal court during the reigns of Kamehameha IV and Kamehameha V en.wikipedia.org -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vwoolf on behalf of Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 12:49 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Another Daisy I woke up in the middle of the night recalling another, strange, Daisy. It is the nickname that Steerforth bestows on David Copperfield in Dickens?s novel. ?My dear young Davy,? he [Steerforth] said, clapping me on the shoulder ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I woke up in the middle of the night recalling another, strange, Daisy. It is the nickname that Steerforth bestows on David Copperfield in Dickens?s novel. ?My dear young Davy,? he [Steerforth] said, clapping me on the shoulder again, ?you are a very Daisy. The daisy of the field, at sunrise, is not fresher than you are.? When the evening was pretty far spent, and a tray of glasses and decanters came in, Steerforth promised, over the fire, that he would seriously think of going down into the country with me. There was no hurry, he said; a week hence would do; and his mother hospitably said the same. While we were talking, he more than once called me Daisy; which brought Miss Dartle out again. ?But really, Mr. Copperfield,? she asked, ?is it a nickname? And why does he give it you? Is it - eh? - because he thinks you young and innocent? I am so stupid in these things.? I coloured in replying that I believed it was. As a million examination questions have it: ?Discuss.? 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Stuart From: Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 8:12 PM To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] Sighting: Woolf and flowers Don't know how many of you regularly read Maria Popova's blog Marginalia, but here is a lovely entry on the joy of gardens which begins with quite an extensive treatment of Woolf's pleasure in gardens: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.themarginalian.org/2022/05/07/writers-artists-gardens/?mc_cid=5ff6bcba7c&mc_eid=c372916c80__;!!KGKeukY!01NcfsWY7ifHalzPc8njyvSJrZvfyy4DB3gj2hVzhEifWs2Ptf_iHxsc_PTnopUNuOVM8yKL31OWhi4-7lCi8einVFOPr41H3g$ ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Don't know how many of you regularly read Maria Popova's blog Marginalia, but here is a lovely entry on the joy of gardens which begins with quite an extensive treatment of Woolf's pleasure in gardens: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.themarginalian.org/2022/05/07/writers-artists-gardens/?mc_cid=5ff6bcba7c&mc_eid=c372916c80__;!!KGKeukY!01NcfsWY7ifHalzPc8njyvSJrZvfyy4DB3gj2hVzhEifWs2Ptf_iHxsc_PTnopUNuOVM8yKL31OWhi4-7lCi8einVFOPr41H3g$ 200 Years of Great Writers and Artists on the Creative and Spiritual Rewards of Gardening Emily Dickinson, Virginia Woolf, Oliver Sacks, Rebecca Solnit, Bronson Alcott, Michael Pollan, Jamaica Kincaid, and more. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.themarginalian.org__;!!KGKeukY!01NcfsWY7ifHalzPc8njyvSJrZvfyy4DB3gj2hVzhEifWs2Ptf_iHxsc_PTnopUNuOVM8yKL31OWhi4-7lCi8einVFNGb1NWMA$ -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Tue May 10 04:22:21 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 08:22:21 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] typing and Daisy Message-ID: 1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol's note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. "Virginia Woolf's method of work was to write her novels by hand in notebooks, typing up each day's composition more or less without revision on the same day or the following one. If she then felt that further revision than could be made on the typescript was necessary she returned to the notebook and composed the passage afresh. The holograph drafts of Mrs. Dalloway show much revision of this kind." 2. Stuart suggests that Daisy Greville can be ignored, because her Daisy was a nickname. So was Steerforth's name for David Copperfield. And this discussion has brought back to me that in my secondary school one of the masters was nicknamed Daisy. He was clumsy, untidy, and not at all like the neat little flower - the nickname was ironic. Unless there is some information in the holograph drafts of the novel mentioned above, we have no way of knowing if Daisy in Mrs Dalloway is a given name or a nickname. But it is striking (I think) that a character whose darkness is repeatedly insisted upon should be given the name of a white flower (as if to exaggerate her darkness, Peter Walsh's photograph of her depicts "Daisy all in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark"). Elisa Kay Sparks's comments on daisies in Woolf's work (https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html__;!!KGKeukY!y_dzMcoZRXZR6wMW6IjlC0XCcXjZIkKWn-W1t9E2lAcXnRh6QzonGaVSIr5sNao2vfXR2gh7cz5I5VGC1Z7LSx5jqeiSllNSN8J2zd8$ ) are fascinating. She mentions "the oracular game played with the flower" - which if I recall aright involves pulling off the petals one at a time and saying "(s)he loves me, (s)he loves me not" following each dismemberment. The uncertainty certainly matches Peter Walsh's feelings about Daisy. Jeremy H Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mc at clarior.net Tue May 10 05:51:48 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 11:51:48 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] typing and Daisy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here - Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my *most precious & dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) *- i.e. *The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts*, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976 (see pp. 28-31 for this entry). 1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on the following morning" (p. 30). See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, retyping, etc. All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten. "*The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.*" (p. 30). 2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies amongst her marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side: one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally the converse is true): *p?querettes* & *marguerites* are both used as part of the "oracular" saying: "Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionn?ment, ? la folie, pas du tout". Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? ??? Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)? Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all. Thank you mc NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work. Daisy-cum-p?querettes.jpg Daisy-cum-marguerites.jpg Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Translations Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:34 AM Marie Claire Boisset wrote: > Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here - > > Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & > unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my *most precious & > dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) *- > i.e. > *The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts*, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & > Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976 (see pp. 28-31 for this > entry). > > 1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand > in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on > the following morning" (p. 30). > See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and > drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, > retyping, etc. > All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten. > "*The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.*" (p. 30). > > 2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, > and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending > additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies > amongst her > marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. > Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true > daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side: > one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally > the converse is true): *p?querettes* & *marguerites* are both used as > part of the "oracular" saying: > "Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionn?ment, ? la folie, pas du tout". > > Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? ??? > Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least > sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)? > > Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all. > > Thank you > > mc > NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his > outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work. > > > > Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie > > > Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France > Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> > Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> > Email mc at clarior.net > > IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you > have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately > and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. > Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this > e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. > > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:22 AM Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> 1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I >> had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol?s >> note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. ?Virginia >> Woolf?s >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> 1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I >> had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol?s >> note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. ?Virginia >> Woolf?s method of work was to write her novels by hand in notebooks, typing >> up each day?s composition more or less without revision on the same day or >> the following one. If she then felt that further revision than could be >> made on the typescript was necessary she returned to the notebook and >> composed the passage afresh. The holograph drafts of Mrs. Dalloway show >> much revision of this kind.? >> >> >> >> 2. Stuart suggests that Daisy Greville can be ignored, because her Daisy >> was a nickname. So was Steerforth?s name for David Copperfield. And this >> discussion has brought back to me that in my secondary school one of the >> masters was nicknamed Daisy. He was clumsy, untidy, and not at all like the >> neat little flower ? the nickname was ironic. Unless there is some >> information in the holograph drafts of the novel mentioned above, we have >> no way of knowing if Daisy in Mrs Dalloway is a given name or a nickname. >> But it is striking (I think) that a character whose darkness is repeatedly >> insisted upon should be given the name of a white flower (as if to >> exaggerate her darkness, Peter Walsh?s photograph of her depicts ?Daisy all >> in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark?). >> >> >> >> Elisa Kay Sparks?s comments on daisies in Woolf?s work ( >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html__;!!KGKeukY!1hfkexRK1GVIKF0EKOuYLaOyCJ3159eKT2Nika6Athx1G57ELaUO5pB7r6d0_D78wzPO1LW94GPrx4fIoCB1C_o$ >> ) >> are fascinating. She mentions ?the oracular game played with the flower? ? >> which if I recall aright involves pulling off the petals one at a time and >> saying ?(s)he loves me, (s)he loves me not? following each dismemberment. >> The uncertainty certainly matches Peter Walsh?s feelings about Daisy. >> >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> >> Jeremy Hawthorn >> >> Professor Emeritus >> >> NTNU >> >> 7491 Trondheim >> >> Norway >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Multiple layers and drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, retyping, etc. All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten. "*The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.*" (p. 30). 2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies amongst her marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side: one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally the converse is true): *p?querettes* & *marguerites* are both used as part of the "oracular" saying: "Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionn?ment, ? la folie, pas du tout". Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? ??? Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)? Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all. Thank you mc NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work. Daisy-cum-p?querettes.jpg Daisy-cum-marguerites.jpg Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Translations Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 11:34 AM Marie Claire Boisset wrote: > Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here - > > Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & > unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my *most precious & > dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) *- > i.e. > *The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts*, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & > Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976 (see pp. 28-31 for this > entry). > > 1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand > in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on > the following morning" (p. 30). > See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and > drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, > retyping, etc. > All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten. > "*The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.*" (p. 30). > > 2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, > and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending > additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies > amongst her > marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. > Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true > daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side: > one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally > the converse is true): *p?querettes* & *marguerites* are both used as > part of the "oracular" saying: > "Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionn?ment, ? la folie, pas du tout". > > Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? ??? > Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least > sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)? > > Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all. > > Thank you > > mc > NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his > outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work. > > > > Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie > > > Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France > Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> > Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> > Email mc at clarior.net > > IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you > have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately > and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. > Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this > e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. > > > On Tue, May 10, 2022 at 10:22 AM Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> 1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I >> had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol?s >> note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. ?Virginia >> Woolf?s >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> 1. I asked a bit back whether Virginia could type, and the one response I >> had to this was that she probably could not. This is from Stella McNichol?s >> note on the text of Mr.s Dalloway in the 1992 Penguin edition. ?Virginia >> Woolf?s method of work was to write her novels by hand in notebooks, typing >> up each day?s composition more or less without revision on the same day or >> the following one. If she then felt that further revision than could be >> made on the typescript was necessary she returned to the notebook and >> composed the passage afresh. The holograph drafts of Mrs. Dalloway show >> much revision of this kind.? >> >> >> >> 2. Stuart suggests that Daisy Greville can be ignored, because her Daisy >> was a nickname. So was Steerforth?s name for David Copperfield. And this >> discussion has brought back to me that in my secondary school one of the >> masters was nicknamed Daisy. He was clumsy, untidy, and not at all like the >> neat little flower ? the nickname was ironic. Unless there is some >> information in the holograph drafts of the novel mentioned above, we have >> no way of knowing if Daisy in Mrs Dalloway is a given name or a nickname. >> But it is striking (I think) that a character whose darkness is repeatedly >> insisted upon should be given the name of a white flower (as if to >> exaggerate her darkness, Peter Walsh?s photograph of her depicts ?Daisy all >> in white, with a fox-terrier on her knee; very charming, very dark?). >> >> >> >> Elisa Kay Sparks?s comments on daisies in Woolf?s work ( >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://woolfherbarium.blogspot.com/p/di.html__;!!KGKeukY!2JdWn_n5ATB9eEXV5h_MTioY_4zoVWb5wCVmvh10_p4ZpZLSItG7GJqlS_MMmPN6MtZATThXpdSXUw$ >> ) >> are fascinating. She mentions ?the oracular game played with the flower? ? >> which if I recall aright involves pulling off the petals one at a time and >> saying ?(s)he loves me, (s)he loves me not? following each dismemberment. >> The uncertainty certainly matches Peter Walsh?s feelings about Daisy. >> >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> >> Jeremy Hawthorn >> >> Professor Emeritus >> >> NTNU >> >> 7491 Trondheim >> >> Norway >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk Tue May 10 07:05:38 2022 From: smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah M. Hall) Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 11:05:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf Bulletin (VWSGB) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1552745903.2501026.1652180738133@mail.yahoo.com> . . . Oh, and so much more. * May Bulletin * The May issue of the Virginia Woolf Bulletin is packed full of interest for Woolfians. For starters, there?s an unpublished letter from Woolf to American academic Josephine K. Piercy, with context and notes by Stuart N. Clarke. Then there?s Stuart?s article about the recent discovery of an published version of a Virginia Woolf story later published as ?Gipsy, the Mongrel?. We republish the story under its original title, ?The Little Dog Laughed?, as it appeared in the 21 July 1940 issue of This Week, an American Sunday magazine supplement. Nuala Hancock revisits Virginia Woolf?s vivid and often exhilarating engagement with plants and gardens in the light of our own heightened perception of nature during recent ?lockdown? times. Robert B. Todd explores Virginia and Adrian Stephen?s house-hunting in 1907, after the marriage of their sister and house-mate Vanessa; uncovers the identities of two characters featured in a throwaway but scandalous remark in a 1928 letter to Vanessa from Virginia; and provides two notes about Angelica Bell?s acting career. Stephen Barkway examines the Woolfs? musical tastes around the time of the Second World War, based on a purchase 20 years ago by founder member, Sheila Wilkinson, of a number of the Woolfs? gramophone records at a Lewes auction. Expat Woolfian academic Mark Hussey offers his memories of his first encounter with Virginia Woolf, while the ?Virginia Woolf Today? column looks at Woolf?s current standing. Outgoing Chief Editor Stuart N. Clarke casts his mind back to his 2015 talk celebrating the 50th issue of the Bulletin, plus reviews, events, memories of a former member, and an appeal to join our online events. If you're not a member but would like to be, see the Membership page of the website: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/membership Sarah Sarah M. Hall Publicity and Marketing Officer Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Monday, 9 May 2022, 22:14:35 BST, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: The May issue of the ?Virginia Woolf Bulletin? has an article by Nuala Hancock: "Reconnecting with the Living World: Virginia Woolf and Gardens". Stuart From: Elisa Sparks via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 9, 2022 8:12 PM ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? 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URL: From mc at clarior.net Tue May 10 15:33:08 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Tue, 10 May 2022 21:33:08 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] typing and Daisy Message-ID: (resending with smaller attachments - thank you!) Jeremy & all Woolfian readers here - Thank you for repeating these questions as they - very surprisingly & unexpectedly today - are drawing me back to one of my *most precious & dearest books ever (together with the final version of TW, of course) *- i.e. *The Waves: The Two Holograph Drafts*, Virginia Woolf, Transcribed & Edited by J.W. Graham, The Hogarth Press, 1976 (see pp. 28-31 for this entry). 1- Yes, of course, Virginia Woolf could type. She would "write in longhand in the morning and type it out later in the same day, or occasionally on the following morning" (p. 30). See also Diary entries Nov. 2, 1929, Jan. 7, 1931. Multiple layers and drafts and corrections, revisions, handwriting, typing, rewriting, retyping, etc. All major rewriting was by pen and ink - handwritten. "*The typing is almost the hardest part of the work.*" (p. 30). 2- To add to the almost dizzying & teasing entries about Daisy/daisies, and as an albeit futile & microscopic gift of spring, whilst extending additional kudos & many thanks to Elisa Sparks for her entry on daisies amongst her marvelous (and indispensable!) catalogue of flowers & gardens in V. Woolf's writing, please allow me to submit the attached 2 pics of true daisies, big and small. Also to add from the translation side: one (1) word (daisy) in English for a rare 2 words in French (generally the converse is true): *p?querettes* & *marguerites* are both used as part of the "oracular" saying: "Je t'aime, un peu, beaucoup, passionn?ment, ? la folie, pas du tout". Did Woolf know about the (French) saying - I ask? ??? Also isn't the larger "daisy" - ("marguerite" in French) at least sometimes the actual visual reference (in wreaths, for example, etc.)? Happy Spring - in such times - no matter what - to you all. Thank you mc NB: also sharing additional kudos & thank yous to Stuart for all his outstanding, precious and riveting transcription work. Daisies-marguerites.jpg Daisy-cum-p?querettes.jpg Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Translations Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. 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Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Thanks for the tip, Stuart. I've just bought a second-hand eBay copy (World of Books) for ?5.99 inclusive. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Wednesday, 11 May 2022, 10:12:08 BST, Stuart N. 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Any revenue we generate through merchandise sales will be donated to the International Virginia Woolf Society. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.redbubble.com/people/wolfiana/shop?artistUserName=wolfiana&asc=u__;!!KGKeukY!zQjKg-fmA4dZ2BU8WW4IR63eXVET4w4cyce11E7xtUA6H9ZjAG6aHLFPQZjppF8Y-Xzz_H5z32j-7Pt38wF6Z8Q$ The site includes two collections, both of which are available for purchase, the 2022 conference collection (featuring art by Suzanne Bellamy) and the 2021 conference collection (featuring art by Michelle Lansdale). To see more of Suzanne Bellamy's art, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://suzannebellamy.com/__;!!KGKeukY!zQjKg-fmA4dZ2BU8WW4IR63eXVET4w4cyce11E7xtUA6H9ZjAG6aHLFPQZjppF8Y-Xzz_H5z32j-7Pt3QOqb1Ow$ To see more of Michelle Lansdale's art, visit https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.etsy.com/shop/michellelansdale?ref=simple-shop-header-name&listing_id=1003463557__;!!KGKeukY!zQjKg-fmA4dZ2BU8WW4IR63eXVET4w4cyce11E7xtUA6H9ZjAG6aHLFPQZjppF8Y-Xzz_H5z32j-7Pt3Yo4MPQA$ P.S. Early registration continues through Monday, May 16th. All my best, Amy C. Smith (she/her) Associate Professor, English & Modern Languages Shaver Distinguished Faculty Fellow in Teaching Lamar University, Member The Texas State University System Author, Virginia Woolf's Mythic Method Co-editor, Lamar Journal of the Humanities CONFIDENTIALITY: Any information contained in this e-mail (including attachments) is the property of The State of Texas and unauthorized disclosure or use is prohibited. 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Here's the Invite: Elisa Sparks is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. Topic: May Woolf Drop-In Time: May 13, 2022 11:00 AM Pacific Time (US and Canada) Join Zoom Meeting https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://clemson.zoom.us/j/95271640706?pwd=TjJ6RTJxTElsRlowMzBGaHBuRy9kUT09__;!!KGKeukY!1ijGU1VjXOoZIYeEmJaAslxYC2-mV1ceTs__UWTfGK8NKX6cBjGplWl9bokeaOPjWbGUyZMzhBRbhau4PanfFR5zT3v39ss$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Fri May 13 05:23:12 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 10:23:12 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> Message-ID: If we?re discussing he name Daisy in the UK, then American examples are irrelevant. (What extraordinary names Americans have ? so have the British now. And the spellings! You hardly ever come across Jill as an abbreviation of Gillian ? it?s always Gill with a soft g. Poor Mrs Woolf ? she got an (unpublished) letter from Alyse Gregory in 1924, and replied ?Dear Mr Gregory?. One used to feel with these weird spellings that, since in this case it?s not spelled Alice, it must be pronounced Aleeze or some such.) And the French are irrelevant too: ?They all seemed to be old friends of his [Sauveterre?s], called him Fabrice and had a thousand questions to ask about mutual acquaintances in Paris, fashionable foreign ladies with such unfashionable names as Norah, Cora, Jennie, Daisy, May, and Nellie. ??Are all Frenchwomen called after English housemaids?? Lady Montdore asked crossly ...? (?Love in a Cold Climate? (1949), ch 4) Stuart From: Mary Ellen Foley Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 12:47 AM To: mhussey at verizon.net Cc: Jeremy Hawthorn ; Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy > Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? ANd Daisy Buchanon in The Great Gatsby, 1925 -- definitely upper-crusty. mef -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ellen.moody at gmail.com Fri May 13 06:49:07 2022 From: ellen.moody at gmail.com (Ellen Moody) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 06:49:07 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Daisy In-Reply-To: References: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I'm almost afraid to come out with new examples for that will cause many counter-examples to appear. But only almost. Some of these strange (weird) new names in the US come from TV shows, where characters and the actors themselves regularly have such names. Kyle I am told, was the name of a character in a popular TV show. I never heard the name before. An actress set to play Anne Elliot in Persuasion is named Dakota Johnson - now that is a Native American word or name and is found in two US western states: North and South Dakota. I see that in Mitford's Love in a Cold Climate a character named Lady Montdore associates Daisy among other names (like Nellie) with English housemaids. I would have said Irish -- as in Ellen. Ellen is familiar as an Irish housemaid's name but it is also the name of heroines (the first I can think of is in a novel by Mary Brunton called Discipline (perhaps 1815?). I have a personal story about the name Daisy I didn't have the nerve to tell before, but here goes. When my older daughter had not yet been born, I was casting about for a name and I thought of Daisy. I like the name. But when I told my mother, she was horrified; I told another friend who urged me not to. To both the name was somehow d?class?. So I didn't. She is Laura Caroline. I would have preferred Caroline Laura but my husband said no no no. Caroline is too English. He was British (English). Ellen (who am not Irish) On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 5:23 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > If we?re discussing he name Daisy in the UK, then American examples are > irrelevant. (What extraordinary names Americans have ? so have the British > now. And the spellings! You hardly ever come across Jill as an abbreviation > of Gillian ? it?s > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > If we?re discussing he name Daisy in the UK, then American examples are > irrelevant. > > (What extraordinary names Americans have ? so have the British now. And > the spellings! You hardly ever come across Jill as an abbreviation of > Gillian ? it?s always Gill with a soft g. Poor Mrs Woolf ? she got an > (unpublished) letter from Alyse Gregory in 1924, and replied ?Dear Mr > Gregory?. One used to feel with these weird spellings that, since in this > case it?s not spelled Alice, it must be pronounced Aleeze or some such.) > > And the French are irrelevant too: > > ?They all seemed to be old friends of his [Sauveterre?s], called him > Fabrice and had a thousand questions to ask about mutual acquaintances in > Paris, fashionable foreign ladies with such unfashionable names as Norah, > Cora, Jennie, Daisy, May, and Nellie. > ??Are all Frenchwomen called after English housemaids?? Lady Montdore > asked crossly ...? > (?Love in a Cold Climate? (1949), ch 4) > > Stuart > > *From:* Mary Ellen Foley > *Sent:* Sunday, May 8, 2022 12:47 AM > *To:* mhussey at verizon.net > *Cc:* Jeremy Hawthorn ; Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy > > >> >> > Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine >> Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? > > > ANd Daisy Buchanon in *The Great Gatsby, *1925 -- definitely upper-crusty. > > mef > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Fri May 13 14:46:58 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Fri, 13 May 2022 19:46:58 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Ellen (ex-Daisy) In-Reply-To: References: <000501d86253$746a22b0$5d3e6810$@verizon.net> Message-ID: According to the ?Oxford Names Companion?, Ellen is English and cognate with Helen. My father?s sister, Nell, was an Ellen, and they were as London as you can get. In fact, my father was born in Pimlico, but his mother would have been a bit long in the tooth to be suckling her young in 1923 ? in any case, being poorish, they moved a lot, from one rented accommodation to another, and had long since left the more dubious part of Pimlico near Victoria Station. Meanwhile, in Lasswade (Gandercleuch to Walter Scott fans), my maternal grandparents had followed the Scottish naming system for their first 4 daughters, but, when they came to my mother, my grandmother reached out to a wider family name on her side, and sent my grandfather out to register my mother as Ellen. For whatever reason, he misheard and registered her as Helen ? a name she much preferred. Unfortunately, no one used it, except the father of her best friend, Naomi Sneddon. (I seem to have strayed into anecdotes from over 100 years ago. . . .) Stuart From: Ellen Moody Sent: Friday, May 13, 2022 11:49 AM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: Woolf list Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy I'm almost afraid to come out with new examples for that will cause many counter-examples to appear. But only almost. Some of these strange (weird) new names in the US come from TV shows, where characters and the actors themselves regularly have such names. Kyle I am told, was the name of a character in a popular TV show. I never heard the name before. An actress set to play Anne Elliot in Persuasion is named Dakota Johnson - now that is a Native American word or name and is found in two US western states: North and South Dakota. I see that in Mitford's Love in a Cold Climate a character named Lady Montdore associates Daisy among other names (like Nellie) with English housemaids. I would have said Irish -- as in Ellen. Ellen is familiar as an Irish housemaid's name but it is also the name of heroines (the first I can think of is in a novel by Mary Brunton called Discipline (perhaps 1815?). I have a personal story about the name Daisy I didn't have the nerve to tell before, but here goes. When my older daughter had not yet been born, I was casting about for a name and I thought of Daisy. I like the name. But when I told my mother, she was horrified; I told another friend who urged me not to. To both the name was somehow d?class?. So I didn't. She is Laura Caroline. I would have preferred Caroline Laura but my husband said no no no. Caroline is too English. He was British (English). Ellen (who am not Irish) On Fri, May 13, 2022 at 5:23 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: If we?re discussing he name Daisy in the UK, then American examples are irrelevant. (What extraordinary names Americans have ? so have the British now. And the spellings! You hardly ever come across Jill as an abbreviation of Gillian ? it?s ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd If we?re discussing he name Daisy in the UK, then American examples are irrelevant. (What extraordinary names Americans have ? so have the British now. And the spellings! You hardly ever come across Jill as an abbreviation of Gillian ? it?s always Gill with a soft g. Poor Mrs Woolf ? she got an (unpublished) letter from Alyse Gregory in 1924, and replied ?Dear Mr Gregory?. One used to feel with these weird spellings that, since in this case it?s not spelled Alice, it must be pronounced Aleeze or some such.) And the French are irrelevant too: ?They all seemed to be old friends of his [Sauveterre?s], called him Fabrice and had a thousand questions to ask about mutual acquaintances in Paris, fashionable foreign ladies with such unfashionable names as Norah, Cora, Jennie, Daisy, May, and Nellie. ??Are all Frenchwomen called after English housemaids?? Lady Montdore asked crossly ...? (?Love in a Cold Climate? (1949), ch 4) Stuart From: Mary Ellen Foley Sent: Sunday, May 8, 2022 12:47 AM To: mhussey at verizon.net Cc: Jeremy Hawthorn ; Stuart N. Clarke ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Daisy > Then again, there?s Daisy Fellowes, aka Marguerite S?verine Philippine Decazes de Gl?cksberg ? ANd Daisy Buchanon in The Great Gatsby, 1925 -- definitely upper-crusty. mef _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Sat May 14 04:54:35 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 09:54:35 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] A frisson for the (very) modern reader Message-ID: <51F2FB43FC064A7C9E9D1AE077B94100@StuartHP> In Nancy Mitford?s ?The Blessing? (1951), Grace marries a Frenchman, aristocratic, of course. When Grace gives birth (ch. 3), Nanny says: ?He is a little black boy ? oh, he is black.? . . . !!!! . . . ?I never expected you to have a baby with such eyes, it doesn?t seem natural or right.? ?I don?t know, ? said Grace ?I think one gets tired of always gazing into these blue eyes. I like this better.? Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sun May 15 05:00:49 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 09:00:49 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Message-ID: Stuart's exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller's Catch 22 - it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give "Communist" a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? Jeremy H Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reginamarler at gmail.com Sun May 15 10:27:02 2022 From: reginamarler at gmail.com (Regina Marler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 07:27:02 -0700 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf-adjacent! VICTORIAN TEENAGERS reminisce | Yesterday's Witness | Voice of the People | BBC Archive - YouTube Message-ID: <00A7CBF4-44A5-4633-A2FB-470508A95852@gmail.com> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! This features the incomparable Berta Ruck?even singing! (You all know the story: casually killed off in Jacob?s Room, she protested and the women met.) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6V1yHvJyo__;!!KGKeukY!17i7RGQI3WUHJT1zS7-09I-a9oAWkwtOcj3B1GY_6HuoTPq9pzd24C8yUClXw5jzqnh3fJLrkvQ3S2pvu_BH0Fud9g$ Sent from a small, hand-held device. Please excuse typos. From sbarkway at btinternet.com Sun May 15 10:58:49 2022 From: sbarkway at btinternet.com (Stephen Barkway) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 15:58:49 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf-adjacent! VICTORIAN TEENAGERS reminisce | Yesterday's Witness | Voice of the People | BBC Archive - YouTube In-Reply-To: <00A7CBF4-44A5-4633-A2FB-470508A95852@gmail.com> References: <00A7CBF4-44A5-4633-A2FB-470508A95852@gmail.com> Message-ID: <053e01d8686c$490ac970$db205c50$@btinternet.com> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Fascinating! Thanks very much Regina. Stephen -----Original Message----- From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Regina Marler via Vwoolf Sent: 15 May 2022 15:27 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf-adjacent! VICTORIAN TEENAGERS reminisce | Yesterday's Witness | Voice of the People | BBC Archive - YouTube !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! This features the incomparable Berta Ruck?even singing! (You all know the story: casually killed off in Jacob?s Room, she protested and the women met.) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6V1yHvJyo__;!!KGKeukY!17i7RGQI3WUHJT1zS7-09I-a9oAWkwtOcj3B1GY_6HuoTPq9pzd24C8yUClXw5jzqnh3fJLrkvQ3S2pvu_BH0Fud9g$ Sent from a small, hand-held device. Please excuse typos. _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Sun May 15 12:12:26 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 17:12:26 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$ Stuart From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? 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Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:12 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!y0QAA5psa9tmfExfvHMEMn6QOaiBSnHMIifQsNM-LxcDESLcKPJjPMDeuQ89GU5PN1VDjDEtwTlmt8IhHyP1XN-qOemPhJSN7cZOVA$ Stuart From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? 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It is metafictional comic novel in which the universe is portrayed as a university campus in an elaborate allegory of both the hero's journey and the Cold War. Its title character is a human boy raised as a goat, who comes to believe he is the Grand Tutor, the predicted Messiah. The book was a surprise bestseller for the previously obscure Barth, and in the 1960s had a cult status. It marks Barth's leap into American postmodern fabulism." I remember reading it ages ago, but can't recall what I thought of it. Gretchen Gerzina ?On 5/15/22, 1:00 PM, "vwoolf-bounces+ozma=sover.net at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" wrote: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Giles (ex names and nations) (Stuart N. Clarke) 2. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Neverow, Vara S.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 17:12:26 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Message-ID: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC at StuartHP> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$ Stuart From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? 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Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:12 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!y0QAA5psa9tmfExfvHMEMn6QOaiBSnHMIifQsNM-LxcDESLcKPJjPMDeuQ89GU5PN1VDjDEtwTlmt8IhHyP1XN-qOemPhJSN7cZOVA$ Stuart From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? Jeremy H Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf ------------------------------ End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 23 *************************************** From gillespie at pullman.com Sun May 15 14:38:37 2022 From: gillespie at pullman.com (Diane Gillespie) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 11:38:37 -0700 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf-adjacent! VICTORIAN TEENAGERS reminisce | Yesterday's Witness | Voice of the People | BBC Archive - YouTube In-Reply-To: <00A7CBF4-44A5-4633-A2FB-470508A95852@gmail.com> References: <00A7CBF4-44A5-4633-A2FB-470508A95852@gmail.com> Message-ID: <26c3237a-10bd-dab9-eebf-78c218b854f2@pullman.com> Thanks much for this link!? There's more to the Woolf/Ruck story than /Jacob's Room. /See my "Virginia Woolf and the Curious Case of Berta Ruck," /Woolf Studies Annua//l, /vol. 10 (2004), 109-138. Diane Gillespie On 5/15/2022 7:27 AM, Regina Marler via Vwoolf wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > This features the incomparable Berta Ruck?even singing! (You all know the story: casually killed off in Jacob?s Room, she protested and the women met.) > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6V1yHvJyo__;!!KGKeukY!17i7RGQI3WUHJT1zS7-09I-a9oAWkwtOcj3B1GY_6HuoTPq9pzd24C8yUClXw5jzqnh3fJLrkvQ3S2pvu_BH0Fud9g$ > > > Sent from a small, hand-held device. Please excuse typos. > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From reginamarler at gmail.com Mon May 16 02:45:34 2022 From: reginamarler at gmail.com (Regina Marler) Date: Sun, 15 May 2022 23:45:34 -0700 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf-adjacent! VICTORIAN TEENAGERS reminisce | Yesterday's Witness | Voice of the People | BBC Archive - YouTube In-Reply-To: <26c3237a-10bd-dab9-eebf-78c218b854f2@pullman.com> References: <26c3237a-10bd-dab9-eebf-78c218b854f2@pullman.com> Message-ID: <0F4CFDB1-C1D3-4E24-A1AE-6C9DFCE2C6DA@gmail.com> I know your wonderful essay, Diane, and I am so glad you?ve mentioned it here! Cheers, Regina Sent from a small, hand-held device. Please excuse typos. > On May 15, 2022, at 11:38 AM, Diane Gillespie via Vwoolf wrote: > > ? > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > Thanks much for this link! There's more to the Woolf/Ruck story than Jacob's Room. See my "Virginia Woolf and the Curious Case of Berta Ruck," Woolf Studies Annual, vol. 10 (2004), 109-138. > > Diane Gillespie > > On 5/15/2022 7:27 AM, Regina Marler via Vwoolf wrote: >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> This features the incomparable Berta Ruck?even singing! (You all know the story: casually killed off in Jacob?s Room, she protested and the women met.) >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pv6V1yHvJyo__;!!KGKeukY!17i7RGQI3WUHJT1zS7-09I-a9oAWkwtOcj3B1GY_6HuoTPq9pzd24C8yUClXw5jzqnh3fJLrkvQ3S2pvu_BH0Fud9g$ >> >> >> Sent from a small, hand-held device. 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Karen Levenback My College Students Are Not OK https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$ Sent from my iPad From mhussey at verizon.net Mon May 16 08:58:39 2022 From: mhussey at verizon.net (Mark Hussey) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) In-Reply-To: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> References: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> Message-ID: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994@mail.yahoo.com> Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey? On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me,ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEndGiles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart | | | This Message Is From an External Sender | | This message came from outside your organization. | | ? ? Report Suspicious? ? ? | | | ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. ? Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. ? (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) ? One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? ? Jeremy H ? ? Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway ? _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From srm10 at cornell.edu Mon May 16 12:24:43 2022 From: srm10 at cornell.edu (Shilo McGiff) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) In-Reply-To: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994@mail.yahoo.com> References: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> <245827373.3798240.1652705919994@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of pastoral...a frisson. Happy Monday, All. SRM On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf wrote: > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > sounds a posh name to me, > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir > Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$ > > > Stuart > > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM > *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > Yossarian > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s *Catch > 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. > > > > *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word > *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and > like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an > odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It > was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, > Peckem and Dreedle. > > > > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) > > > > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the Acts*. > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for > Woolf? > > > > Jeremy H > > > > > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > Professor Emeritus > > NTNU > > 7491 Trondheim > > Norway > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -- Shilo R. McGiff, PhD The Woolf Salon Project Ithaca, NY 14850 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mc at clarior.net Mon May 16 12:37:45 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 18:37:45 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) In-Reply-To: References: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> <245827373.3798240.1652705919994@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hello all "Giles Lytton Strachey" indeed has a strong echo. "Little goat" or "goat" was one of Ginni's (Vir*Gi*nia's family nicknames (incl. from her mother "hold yourself straight, little goat"). Gilles as the epitome of the idiot (le niais) did not strike me as the most evident (in BA), complete stupidity not being the main trait of this character... 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On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 6:25 PM Shilo McGiff via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? > In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of > pastoral...a frisson. > > Happy Monday, All. > > SRM > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey >> >> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> >> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> sounds a posh name to me, >> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir >> Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!0kD2qJ9g-j8sBmppe9bsSQObRJOaJRq1u1dFPBLMbaoOuGhNTUPZxYMW4uR7qehRqpycaXleW45lkw$ >> >> >> Stuart >> >> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM >> *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu >> *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations >> >> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> Yossarian >> >> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s *Catch >> 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. >> >> >> >> *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so >> many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word >> *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and >> like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an >> odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It >> was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, >> Peckem and Dreedle. >> >> >> >> (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) >> >> >> >> One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the >> Acts*. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it >> have for Woolf? >> >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> >> >> >> Jeremy Hawthorn >> >> Professor Emeritus >> >> NTNU >> >> 7491 Trondheim >> >> Norway >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > > > -- > Shilo R. McGiff, PhD > The Woolf Salon Project > Ithaca, NY 14850 > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon May 16 15:50:37 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 20:50:37 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Isa (ex- Giles) In-Reply-To: References: <590CBC0A8F884862A8A276277788E8AC@StuartHP> Message-ID: Isa was not a stand-alone name, but a pet name. It doesn?t appear in the ?Oxford Names Companion? ? surprisingly, because there were a lot of Isas around: e.g. Isa Blagden is mentioned in ?Flush?. The pet forms, Izzy and Izzie *are* listed ? making me (if no one else) more convinced than ever (as I?ve said before on this listserv) that Isa is pronounced EYEzuh. (As it was in our family ? not that you can trust the Scots ? think of Evelyn Waugh in Scottish.) These pet forms are short for the various names that ultimately derive from the Spanish Isabella. Which is Isa?s full name in BA. Isabella is the Spanish for Elizabeth, whence we get Vara?s refs. to God + "My God is an oath" or "My God is abundance" ? can the lack of a definite derivation of the Hebrew origin of the name be the result of the Hebrew omission of vowels? Stuart From: Neverow, Vara S. Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 5:59 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu ; Stuart N. Clarke Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) According to random online information, the name "Giles" means "small goat." I wonder whether Woolf chose the name to depict the character as somewhat rambunctious (snake-stomping, for example). Isa's name means "pledged to god" and "god is perfection"....Hmmm. Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Vwoolf on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 12:12 PM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!0eBHC1UTYUnV_V3aJTgxg6V9pNepvEbY8_6qCav5iIxrLWO8miG4Wz5bVyKAGXA7OIZdPeLBSItzh2TMOjWol5bKWiVz4Ag8COggaeRqfA$ Stuart From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM To: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? 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It is behind a paywall, but perhaps some of you have access to the TLS: A writer with class A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia Woolf By Margaret Drabble https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/arnold-bennett-lost-icon-patrick-donovan-book-review-margaret-drabble/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLS*202022*2005*2013&utm_term=TLS_Audience__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!xSJ8wxZjDfV1KvwB59TXojSJRWUMWGlyoH0qu0LsFD4RKyxuMPh3zfOtZLvwd7nNrcYT1ao54ayA6W4$ --Gretchen Gerzina ?On 5/16/22, 12:25 PM, "vwoolf-bounces+ozma=sover.net at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" wrote: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students of Virginia Woolf different? (Kllevenback) 2. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Mark Hussey) 3. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Shilo McGiff) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 04:01:03 -0400 From: Kllevenback To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" Subject: [Vwoolf] NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students of Virginia Woolf different? Message-ID: <68A24148-FCA1-477E-8D03-060E4066C430 at att.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Just wondering?. Karen Levenback My College Students Are Not OK https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$ Sent from my iPad ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Mark Hussey To: "Stuart N. Clarke" , Vwoolf Listerve Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Message-ID: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey? On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles sounds a posh name to me,Giles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR:https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: S unday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. ? Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and Dreedle. ? (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) ? One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for Woolf? ? Jeremy H ? ? Jeremy Hawthorn Professor Emeritus NTNU 7491 Trondheim Norway ? _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400 From: Shilo McGiff To: Mark Hussey Cc: Vwoolf Listerve Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of pastoral...a frisson. Happy Monday, All. SRM On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf wrote: > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > sounds a posh name to me, > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir > Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$ > > > Stuart > > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM > *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > Yossarian > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s *Catch > 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. > > > > *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word > *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and > like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an > odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It > was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, > Peckem and Dreedle. > > > > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) > > > > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the Acts*. > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for > Woolf? > > > > Jeremy H > > > > > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > Professor Emeritus > > NTNU > > 7491 Trondheim > > Norway > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -- Shilo R. 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Leslie On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > It is behind a paywall, but perhaps some of you have access to the TLS: > > A writer with class > A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia Woolf > By Margaret Drabble > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/arnold-bennett-lost-icon-patrick-donovan-book-review-margaret-drabble/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLS*202022*2005*2013&utm_term=TLS_Audience__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!xSJ8wxZjDfV1KvwB59TXojSJRWUMWGlyoH0qu0LsFD4RKyxuMPh3zfOtZLvwd7nNrcYT1ao54ayA6W4$ > > > --Gretchen Gerzina > > > ?On 5/16/22, 12:25 PM, "vwoolf-bounces+ozma=sover.net at lists.osu.edu on > behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" sover.net at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students of > Virginia Woolf different? (Kllevenback) > 2. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Mark Hussey) > 3. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Shilo McGiff) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 04:01:03 -0400 > From: Kllevenback > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: [Vwoolf] NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students > of Virginia Woolf different? > Message-ID: <68A24148-FCA1-477E-8D03-060E4066C430 at att.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Just wondering?. > Karen Levenback > > My College Students Are Not OK > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$ > > > > Sent from my iPad > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC) > From: Mark Hussey > To: "Stuart N. Clarke" , Vwoolf > Listerve > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) > Message-ID: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994 at mail.yahoo.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey? > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > sounds a posh name to me,Giles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a > popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of > ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of > Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a > distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), > who nevertheless was an ACTOR: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ > > ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: S > unday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: > [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage > from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given > names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized > how often the name Yossarian > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. > > ? > > Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word > subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like > socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien > distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all > like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and > Dreedle. > > ? > > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) > > ? > > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for > Woolf? > > ? > > Jeremy H > > ? > > ? > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > Professor Emeritus > > NTNU > > 7491 Trondheim > > Norway > > ? > > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220516/0fad66d0/attachment-0001.html > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400 > From: Shilo McGiff > To: Mark Hussey > Cc: Vwoolf Listerve > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? > In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of > pastoral...a frisson. > > Happy Monday, All. > > SRM > > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> > wrote: > > > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey > > > > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > > > > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > > sounds a posh name to me, > > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval > > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately > > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles > > sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir > > Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$ > > > < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$ > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > > *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM > > *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu > > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations > > > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s > > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the > emotions > > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > > Yossarian > > > > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s > *Catch > > 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions > > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name > > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black > eyes. > > > > > > > > *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so > > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word > > *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and > > like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an > > odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It > > was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, > > Peckem and Dreedle. > > > > > > > > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) > > > > > > > > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the > Acts*. > > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for > > Woolf? > > > > > > > > Jeremy H > > > > > > > > > > > > Jeremy Hawthorn > > > > Professor Emeritus > > > > NTNU > > > > 7491 Trondheim > > > > Norway > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > > Vwoolf mailing list > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > _______________________________________________ > > Vwoolf mailing list > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > _______________________________________________ > > Vwoolf mailing list > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > > > -- > Shilo R. 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URL: From emily.kopley at gmail.com Tue May 17 07:48:31 2022 From: emily.kopley at gmail.com (Emily Kopley) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 07:48:31 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] [External] TLS review of biography of Arnold Bennett, and Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Here's the TLS review by Margaret Drabble. -Emily A writer with class A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia Woolf By Margaret Drabble [image: Detail of the dustjacket of The Grim Smile of the Five Towns by Arnold Bennett, 1907] Detail of the dustjacket of The Grim Smile of the Five Towns by Arnold Bennett, 1907|? Chronicle/Alamy May 13, 2022 Read this issue IN THIS REVIEW ARNOLD BENNETT Lost icon 224pp. Unicorn. ?25. Patrick Donovan Listen Long reads Virginia Woolf The subtitle of Patrick Donovan?s Life of Arnold Bennett, *Lost icon*, bears witness to his approach to his subject: he is intent on reminding us that Bennett, once immensely wealthy and internationally celebrated, is now almost forgotten. Bennett was the author of dozens of volumes embracing a vast range of genres, from what we would now call literary fiction to fantasies, lighthearted pot-boilers, journals, travel books, collections of short stories and self-help books such as* Literary Taste; How to form it * and *How to Live on 24 Hours a Day*. He wrote successful plays and produced many millions of words of highly paid and influential journalism, in outlets ranging from *Tit-Bits* to the *New Age*, from the *Evening Standard *to the *New York Times*. Among his close friends he numbered characters as diverse as H. G. Wells (in many ways a kindred spirit, in terms of social background and aspiration), Max Beaverbrook, Aldous Huxley and Maurice Ravel. His was a household name throughout the country, and he was a prominent and instantly recognizable figure on the London social scene, appearing regularly in cartoons and gossip columns. He owned a yacht and at one time a grand Queen Anne country house called Comarques in Essex, and he employed a household of domestic staff. ?The Man from the North? (the title of his first novel, 1898) was indisputably one of the most successful and admired writers of the age. When he lay dying of typhoid at the age of sixty-three in Chiltern Court on Baker Street in 1931, straw was strewn (somewhat ineffectually) on the cobbled streets to muffle the sound of traffic. This was Fame. Donovan is right to claim that Bennett no longer commands a large readership, though he still has his admirers, who include A. N. Wilson, Tristram Hunt, Roy Hattersley and, notably, John Carey. Carey?s *The Intellectuals and the Masses: Pride and prejudice among the literary intelligentsia, 1880-1939* (1992) pits Bennett against Bloomsbury, and praises Bennett?s attempts to narrow ?the abyss? between literature and mass culture, an abyss that he provocatively claims modernism was deliberately engaged in widening. There is also a thriving, very active and well-informed Arnold Bennett Society, the membership of which keeps a close eye on his reputation, both local and worldwide, and continues to add new bibliographical and biographical details to his established record. But perhaps the most significant recent recruit to Bennett?s cause is Sathnam Sanghera, whose novel *Marriage Material* (2013) draws explicit inspiration from Bennett?s *The Old Wives? Tale* (1908). It tells the story of two Sikh sisters from the Punjabi immigrant community in the West Midlands, placing, as Sanghera says, ?the characters in an Asian corner shop instead of a Victorian draper?s shop?. Sanghera has written an interesting and personal introduction to the 2014 Vintage edition of *The Old Wives? Tale* ? generally regarded as Bennett?s masterpiece ? which concludes with the thought that we should not feel ?too sorry? for Bennett in his posthumous neglect, for he may have been aware as he lay on his deathbed that ?he had done something rare and important: that he had, through his art, touched upon the eternal?. Donovan?s Life of Arnold Bennett, the most recent significant addition to the Bennett bibliography, is advertised as ?the first full length biography ? since 1974?, and one of the most arresting revelations comes early in the volume: we learn that when Bennett died, ?the patient had no teeth, save two in his upper jaw?. As Donovan points out, Bennett was himself very interested in deathbed scenes, in descriptions of Cheyne-Stokes breathing and blood poisoning and death rattles, so he would not have been offended by this echo of the studied realism of his literary heroes, Balzac and Zola. Most of the other discoveries come much later on, in the last chapters, for the biographer, unlike his predecessors, had access to unpublished correspondence and diaries in the Berg Collection in the New York Public Library. These shed new light on Bennett?s relationship with his common-law wife, the actress Dorothy Cheston, the mother of his daughter, Virginia, who was only four when her father died. Donovan makes some efforts to defend and uphold the reputation of his legal wife, the French seamstress Marguerite Souli?, who refused to divorce him; he had made it plain that he did not wish to have a child with her, and Dorothy?s child was not planned, although he seems to have been delighted with her when she appeared. Bennett?s relationship with Marguerite was often strained and at times tempestuous, and he treated her, domestically, with a heavy hand. He was particularly obsessive about any unauthorized rearrangements of the household furniture, a trait of which he was aware and which he satirizes in his fiction ? there are some very funny scenes in the Clayhanger trilogy where Edwin berates his wife, Hilda, for her independent attempts at reorganization. I am fond of the story that on one occasion Bennett bought a painting ? a Modigliani, perhaps? ? and hid it under the bed for a time, fearing Marguerite would accuse him of extravagance and banking on the excuse that when Marguerite discovered it or he decided to hang it, he would be able to say, airily, ?Oh, that? That?s not new, I?ve had it a long time?. Neither Donovan nor I cite this story, but I don?t think I invented it. (Bennett had a good eye for contemporary art, and in the wake of Roger Fry?s 1910 post-impressionist exhibition at the Grafton Gallery he took his role in educating a wider public very seriously. Donovan quotes Fry?s 1916 letter to Bennett, asking his advice on running his galleries, in which he says: ?You know the British public so much better than me?. One of Bennett?s hobbies was painting conventional watercolours, which are more than just passable.) After their separation, Marguerite made it very plain that she remained the official wife, and continued to attend the first nights of Bennett?s plays, always uninvited. There is no doubt that after his death she remained possessive of his memory. Both women wrote self-justifying and patently unreliable accounts of their years with him. Marguerite?s memoir was published in 1925, some years before his death in 1931, and Dorothy?s in 1935. It is left to the biographer to adjudicate between their versions. In 1974, the year my own book appeared, Dorothy was still alive, a lonely and somewhat embittered old woman. I had many conversations with her, and did not feel entitled to give a full account of my assessment of her testimony, though I well remember the urgency with which she went over his last days, again and again, and her defensive attitude towards his family. She understandably wished to absolve herself of any blame for the series of events that led to his contracting typhoid in Paris, and felt, probably rightly, that the Bennett clan and Marguerite were bad-mouthing her. (One of the Huxleys told me there was a rumour that Dorothy had poisoned Arnold with a pork chop.) She insisted that his love of luxury hotels and fine shirts was not due to extravagance or snobbery, but was founded in his acute physical sensitivity. She was pleased and relieved when I told her, truthfully, that I had very much enjoyed his last, very long novel, *Imperial Palace*, inspired by his love of the Savoy, which had created the famous Arnold Bennett omelette in his honour. I sensed that someone had said, or some reviewer had hinted, that it was evidence of his waning powers, and had perhaps insinuated that Dorothy was somehow implicated in this decline. Sanghera claims, no doubt correctly, that today the smoked haddock omelette is all that some people know of Arnold Bennett. Donovan?s account of Bennett does not delve deeply into the novels, or into the influence of his social background. Five Towns Methodism, Primitive or otherwise, does not make much of an appearance, though he does discuss Bennett?s allegedly plagiaristic dependence in *Clayhanger* (1910) of Charles Shaw?s memoir *When I Was a Child* (1903). But he does address with relish and with some insight Bennett?s very public literary spats with Virginia Woolf, and his personal relationship (or lack of relationship) with her. He is keen to set up a scene of confrontation between the reigning and the rising star. Both Woolf and Bennett were powerful literary journalists as well as novelists, and both employed, in Donovan?s well chosen word, ?hyperbole?. They enjoyed a clash, they liked to be provocative, and they went to extremes to defend their positions. Donovan convincingly argues that in 1924, when Woolf?s essay (originally a lecture) ?Mr Bennett and Mrs Brown? appeared, Bennett still had very much the upper hand, in terms of influence and sales and readership, and indeed it did take many years for Woolf?s reputation to eclipse Bennett?s, as it now so conspicuously has done. The balance of power and reputation has changed utterly, thanks to the rediscovery and reassessment of Bloomsbury, the swelling tide of modernism and the growing dominance of feminist criticism: it is hard now to believe that, in the late 1950s, F. R. Leavis could refer in a lecture, with his accomplished offhand sneer, to the failures of ?Mrs Woolf?. (Leavis didn?t think much of Bennett either, but he paid him slightly more respect.) Woolf?s seminal essay accuses Bennett and the realist school of paying more attention to external items such as bricks and mortar and items of clothing than to the fluctuating inner movements of the soul, and to attempts to capture those movements in prose. It has always struck me as unfortunate that in choosing the character of ?Mrs Brown? as an illustration, she chooses the type and class of person that Bennett understood so much better than she did. Bennett was very good on servants, and she was hopeless. Her remarks on the Georgian cook, as compared with the ?formidable, silent, obscure, inscrutable? Victorian cook, are embarrassing. The modern cook, she says, is ?a creature of sunshine and fresh air; in and out of the drawing-room, now to borrow the *Daily Herald*, now to ask advice about a hat?. Really? The question of class is at the heart of the opposition of Woolf and Bennett, and it has little to do with feminism, or indeed modernism, but in the fullness of time feminism has trumped class, and Woolf, retrospectively, has triumphed. Donovan throughout his volume stresses the class issue and deplores the ?snobbish contempt? with which Bloomsbury treated Bennett from his early days. He argues, correctly, that Bennett was not a social climber, had no interest in royalty or the aristocracy, and despised titles ? he declined a knighthood, thus causing embarrassment to some of his fellow writers. It is true that he was intrigued by Lady Diana Cooper, whose reputation was thought to have coloured the portrait of Queenie in his wartime novel *The Pretty Lady* (1918), but he was interested in her as a social type, and when he got to know her he liked her for herself. She in turn liked him, although she did tell me once over lunch that he spoke ?Cockney?. Cockney seems to have been the generic term to describe all non-U speech, regardless of geography. The closing chapters of Donovan?s biography, drawing on the Berg Collection and the Beaverbrook papers, shed new light on the difficulties of his relationship with Dorothy Cheston, who emerges as wayward, opinionated and not good with money ? her entrepreneurial attempts in the theatre were not successful, although he was always prepared to back them, just as he had always backed Marguerite?s aspirations to give public poetry recitals, recitals of which Bloomsbury made much fun. Dorothy also appears to have quarrelled with the servants, maybe even violently. Bennett himself was always scrupulously polite and generous to his staff, who were as loyal to him as he was to them. His settlement on Marguerite had also been generous, and Dorothy felt that she herself was not as well treated as she should have been, and was kept short of ready money. Certainly when he died there was not as much left as she might have expected from one who had been such a spectacularly well paid and prolific author ? there was a respectable, but not a vast estate. To me, she repeatedly said that this was the fault of America and the Depression and the Wall Street Crash, and that some of his reported last words, ?Everything is going wrong, my girl?, referred not to his health and impending death, nor to his relationship with her, but to his finances. Donovan notes that ?by far the greatest part of his estate was made up of manuscripts and other ?illiquid? assets which ? took a considerable time to sell?. In later years I came to know their daughter, Virginia, who had had a difficult childhood with Dorothy, who took her to America with her as she attempted, unsuccessfully, to pursue a theatrical career. Virginia later married happily and settled in Paris. She had few memories of her father to share, but she was good and interesting company, and she and her family remained very proud of Bennett?s work and reputation. She must have been pleased to know that when Dorothy cabled to Arnold on his yacht to tell him that she was unexpectedly pregnant, he cabled back to her: ?Very sorry. Very glad. Shall catch boat Hook of Holland, be with you tomorrow?. Alas, we have only Dorothy?s word for this, as I have not seen the cable, and the source, Dorothy?s *A Portrait Done at Home*, cannot wholly be trusted. (If it was made up, that?s one up to Dorothy.) Maybe the cable reposes in the Berg Collection? I knew of the existence of the Berg Collection when I was doing my research in the 1960s and early 1970s, but I had three small children and no money, so there was no possibility of my getting to New York to see it, even if I could have gained access. But it would be good if the cable story were true. *Margaret Drabble is currently writing a memoir, and six of her novels are being reissued by Canongate in June* On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:03 PM Leslie Hankins via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > if anyone can access this article could you send it to me? It is relevant > to my conference offering!! Leslie On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Gretchen > Gerzina via Vwoolf wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > if anyone can access this article could you send it to me? It is relevant > to my conference offering!! Leslie > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> It is behind a paywall, but perhaps some of you have access to the TLS: >> >> A writer with class >> A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia >> Woolf >> By Margaret Drabble >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/arnold-bennett-lost-icon-patrick-donovan-book-review-margaret-drabble/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLS*202022*2005*2013&utm_term=TLS_Audience__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!xSJ8wxZjDfV1KvwB59TXojSJRWUMWGlyoH0qu0LsFD4RKyxuMPh3zfOtZLvwd7nNrcYT1ao54ayA6W4$ >> >> --Gretchen Gerzina >> >> >> ?On 5/16/22, 12:25 PM, "vwoolf-bounces+ozma=sover.net at lists.osu.edu on >> behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" > sover.net at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students of >> Virginia Woolf different? (Kllevenback) >> 2. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Mark Hussey) >> 3. Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Shilo McGiff) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 04:01:03 -0400 >> From: Kllevenback >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: [Vwoolf] NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students >> of Virginia Woolf different? >> Message-ID: <68A24148-FCA1-477E-8D03-060E4066C430 at att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Just wondering?. >> Karen Levenback >> >> My College Students Are Not OK >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$ >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mark Hussey >> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" , Vwoolf >> Listerve >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) >> Message-ID: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey? >> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> sounds a posh name to me,Giles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a >> popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of >> ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of >> Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a >> distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), >> who nevertheless was an ACTOR: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ >> ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: S >> unday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: >> [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage >> from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given >> names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized >> how often the name Yossarian >> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. >> >> ? >> >> Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so >> many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word >> subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like >> socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien >> distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all >> like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and >> Dreedle. >> >> ? >> >> (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) >> >> ? >> >> One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. >> What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for >> Woolf? >> >> ? >> >> Jeremy H >> >> ? >> >> ? >> >> Jeremy Hawthorn >> >> Professor Emeritus >> >> NTNU >> >> 7491 Trondheim >> >> Norway >> >> ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220516/0fad66d0/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400 >> From: Shilo McGiff >> To: Mark Hussey >> Cc: Vwoolf Listerve >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? >> In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of >> pastoral...a frisson. >> >> Happy Monday, All. >> >> SRM >> >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> >> wrote: >> >> > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey >> > >> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> > sounds a posh name to me, >> > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> > sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir >> > Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: >> > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$ >> > < >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$ >> > >> > >> > Stuart >> > >> > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM >> > *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu >> > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations >> > >> > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the >> emotions >> > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> > Yossarian >> > >> > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> *Catch >> > 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black >> eyes. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so >> > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word >> > *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and >> > like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an >> > odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It >> > was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as >> Cathcart, >> > Peckem and Dreedle. >> > >> > >> > >> > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) >> > >> > >> > >> > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the >> Acts*. >> > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for >> > Woolf? >> > >> > >> > >> > Jeremy H >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Jeremy Hawthorn >> > >> > Professor Emeritus >> > >> > NTNU >> > >> > 7491 Trondheim >> > >> > Norway >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > >> >> >> -- >> Shilo R. 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If so, could you let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, the title of his presentation? Thank you! Best, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society Zoom Office [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) Stephen From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf Sent: 17 May 2022 14:35 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program Hi all, Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, the title of his ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hi all, Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, the title of his presentation? Thank you! Best, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society Zoom Office [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Outlook voor Android downloaden _____ From: Vwoolf > on behalf of Stephen Barkway via Vwoolf > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 3:43:37 PM To: 'Hagen, Benjamin D' >; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) Stephen From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. 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Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society Zoom Office [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mcvicker at fredonia.edu Tue May 17 10:11:41 2022 From: mcvicker at fredonia.edu (Jeanette E McVicker) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:11:41 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Vwoolf Digest, Vol 120, Issue 29 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, and he also chaired that session! Jeanette On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 10:07 AM wrote: > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program (Hagen, Benjamin D) > 2. Re: Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program (Stephen Barkway) > 3. 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URL: From emily.kopley at gmail.com Tue May 17 10:20:28 2022 From: emily.kopley at gmail.com (Emily Kopley) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 10:20:28 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] [External] TLS review of biography of Arnold Bennett, and Virginia Woolf In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi All, Here's just the text of Drabble's TLS review, for ease of reading. -Emily A writer with class A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia Woolf By Margaret Drabble May 13, 2022 In this review ARNOLD BENNETT Lost icon 224pp. Unicorn. ?25. Patrick Donovan The subtitle of Patrick Donovan?s Life of Arnold Bennett, Lost icon, bears witness to his approach to his subject: he is intent on reminding us that Bennett, once immensely wealthy and internationally celebrated, is now almost forgotten. Bennett was the author of dozens of volumes embracing a vast range of genres, from what we would now call literary fiction to fantasies, lighthearted pot-boilers, journals, travel books, collections of short stories and self-help books such as Literary Taste; How to form it and How to Live on 24 Hours a Day. He wrote successful plays and produced many millions of words of highly paid and influential journalism, in outlets ranging from Tit-Bits to the New Age, from the Evening Standard to the New York Times. Among his close friends he numbered characters as diverse as H. G. Wells (in many ways a kindred spirit, in terms of social background and aspiration), Max Beaverbrook, Aldous Huxley and Maurice Ravel. His was a household name throughout the country, and he was a prominent and instantly recognizable figure on the London social scene, appearing regularly in cartoons and gossip columns. He owned a yacht and at one time a grand Queen Anne country house called Comarques in Essex, and he employed a household of domestic staff. ?The Man from the North? (the title of his first novel, 1898) was indisputably one of the most successful and admired writers of the age. When he lay dying of typhoid at the age of sixty-three in Chiltern Court on Baker Street in 1931, straw was strewn (somewhat ineffectually) on the cobbled streets to muffle the sound of traffic. This was Fame. Donovan is right to claim that Bennett no longer commands a large readership, though he still has his admirers, who include A. N. Wilson, Tristram Hunt, Roy Hattersley and, notably, John Carey. Carey?s The Intellectuals and the Masses: Pride and prejudice among the literary intelligentsia, 1880-1939 (1992) pits Bennett against Bloomsbury, and praises Bennett?s attempts to narrow ?the abyss? between literature and mass culture, an abyss that he provocatively claims modernism was deliberately engaged in widening. There is also a thriving, very active and well-informed Arnold Bennett Society, the membership of which keeps a close eye on his reputation, both local and worldwide, and continues to add new bibliographical and biographical details to his established record. But perhaps the most significant recent recruit to Bennett?s cause is Sathnam Sanghera, whose novel Marriage Material (2013) draws explicit inspiration from Bennett?s The Old Wives? Tale (1908). It tells the story of two Sikh sisters from the Punjabi immigrant community in the West Midlands, placing, as Sanghera says, ?the characters in an Asian corner shop instead of a Victorian draper?s shop?. Sanghera has written an interesting and personal introduction to the 2014 Vintage edition of The Old Wives? Tale ? generally regarded as Bennett?s masterpiece ? which concludes with the thought that we should not feel ?too sorry? for Bennett in his posthumous neglect, for he may have been aware as he lay on his deathbed that ?he had done something rare and important: that he had, through his art, touched upon the eternal?. Donovan?s Life of Arnold Bennett, the most recent significant addition to the Bennett bibliography, is advertised as ?the first full length biography ? since 1974?, and one of the most arresting revelations comes early in the volume: we learn that when Bennett died, ?the patient had no teeth, save two in his upper jaw?. As Donovan points out, Bennett was himself very interested in deathbed scenes, in descriptions of Cheyne-Stokes breathing and blood poisoning and death rattles, so he would not have been offended by this echo of the studied realism of his literary heroes, Balzac and Zola. Most of the other discoveries come much later on, in the last chapters, for the biographer, unlike his predecessors, had access to unpublished correspondence and diaries in the Berg Collection in the New York Public Library. These shed new light on Bennett?s relationship with his common-law wife, the actress Dorothy Cheston, the mother of his daughter, Virginia, who was only four when her father died. Donovan makes some efforts to defend and uphold the reputation of his legal wife, the French seamstress Marguerite Souli?, who refused to divorce him; he had made it plain that he did not wish to have a child with her, and Dorothy?s child was not planned, although he seems to have been delighted with her when she appeared. Bennett?s relationship with Marguerite was often strained and at times tempestuous, and he treated her, domestically, with a heavy hand. He was particularly obsessive about any unauthorized rearrangements of the household furniture, a trait of which he was aware and which he satirizes in his fiction ? there are some very funny scenes in the Clayhanger trilogy where Edwin berates his wife, Hilda, for her independent attempts at reorganization. I am fond of the story that on one occasion Bennett bought a painting ? a Modigliani, perhaps? ? and hid it under the bed for a time, fearing Marguerite would accuse him of extravagance and banking on the excuse that when Marguerite discovered it or he decided to hang it, he would be able to say, airily, ?Oh, that? That?s not new, I?ve had it a long time?. Neither Donovan nor I cite this story, but I don?t think I invented it. (Bennett had a good eye for contemporary art, and in the wake of Roger Fry?s 1910 post-impressionist exhibition at the Grafton Gallery he took his role in educating a wider public very seriously. Donovan quotes Fry?s 1916 letter to Bennett, asking his advice on running his galleries, in which he says: ?You know the British public so much better than me?. One of Bennett?s hobbies was painting conventional watercolours, which are more than just passable.) After their separation, Marguerite made it very plain that she remained the official wife, and continued to attend the first nights of Bennett?s plays, always uninvited. There is no doubt that after his death she remained possessive of his memory. Both women wrote self-justifying and patently unreliable accounts of their years with him. Marguerite?s memoir was published in 1925, some years before his death in 1931, and Dorothy?s in 1935. It is left to the biographer to adjudicate between their versions. In 1974, the year my own book appeared, Dorothy was still alive, a lonely and somewhat embittered old woman. I had many conversations with her, and did not feel entitled to give a full account of my assessment of her testimony, though I well remember the urgency with which she went over his last days, again and again, and her defensive attitude towards his family. She understandably wished to absolve herself of any blame for the series of events that led to his contracting typhoid in Paris, and felt, probably rightly, that the Bennett clan and Marguerite were bad-mouthing her. (One of the Huxleys told me there was a rumour that Dorothy had poisoned Arnold with a pork chop.) She insisted that his love of luxury hotels and fine shirts was not due to extravagance or snobbery, but was founded in his acute physical sensitivity. She was pleased and relieved when I told her, truthfully, that I had very much enjoyed his last, very long novel, Imperial Palace, inspired by his love of the Savoy, which had created the famous Arnold Bennett omelette in his honour. I sensed that someone had said, or some reviewer had hinted, that it was evidence of his waning powers, and had perhaps insinuated that Dorothy was somehow implicated in this decline. Sanghera claims, no doubt correctly, that today the smoked haddock omelette is all that some people know of Arnold Bennett. Donovan?s account of Bennett does not delve deeply into the novels, or into the influence of his social background. Five Towns Methodism, Primitive or otherwise, does not make much of an appearance, though he does discuss Bennett?s allegedly plagiaristic dependence in Clayhanger (1910) of Charles Shaw?s memoir When I Was a Child (1903). But he does address with relish and with some insight Bennett?s very public literary spats with Virginia Woolf, and his personal relationship (or lack of relationship) with her. He is keen to set up a scene of confrontation between the reigning and the rising star. Both Woolf and Bennett were powerful literary journalists as well as novelists, and both employed, in Donovan?s well chosen word, ?hyperbole?. They enjoyed a clash, they liked to be provocative, and they went to extremes to defend their positions. Donovan convincingly argues that in 1924, when Woolf?s essay (originally a lecture) ?Mr Bennett and Mrs Brown? appeared, Bennett still had very much the upper hand, in terms of influence and sales and readership, and indeed it did take many years for Woolf?s reputation to eclipse Bennett?s, as it now so conspicuously has done. The balance of power and reputation has changed utterly, thanks to the rediscovery and reassessment of Bloomsbury, the swelling tide of modernism and the growing dominance of feminist criticism: it is hard now to believe that, in the late 1950s, F. R. Leavis could refer in a lecture, with his accomplished offhand sneer, to the failures of ?Mrs Woolf?. (Leavis didn?t think much of Bennett either, but he paid him slightly more respect.) Woolf?s seminal essay accuses Bennett and the realist school of paying more attention to external items such as bricks and mortar and items of clothing than to the fluctuating inner movements of the soul, and to attempts to capture those movements in prose. It has always struck me as unfortunate that in choosing the character of ?Mrs Brown? as an illustration, she chooses the type and class of person that Bennett understood so much better than she did. Bennett was very good on servants, and she was hopeless. Her remarks on the Georgian cook, as compared with the ?formidable, silent, obscure, inscrutable? Victorian cook, are embarrassing. The modern cook, she says, is ?a creature of sunshine and fresh air; in and out of the drawing-room, now to borrow the Daily Herald, now to ask advice about a hat?. Really? The question of class is at the heart of the opposition of Woolf and Bennett, and it has little to do with feminism, or indeed modernism, but in the fullness of time feminism has trumped class, and Woolf, retrospectively, has triumphed. Donovan throughout his volume stresses the class issue and deplores the ?snobbish contempt? with which Bloomsbury treated Bennett from his early days. He argues, correctly, that Bennett was not a social climber, had no interest in royalty or the aristocracy, and despised titles ? he declined a knighthood, thus causing embarrassment to some of his fellow writers. It is true that he was intrigued by Lady Diana Cooper, whose reputation was thought to have coloured the portrait of Queenie in his wartime novel The Pretty Lady (1918), but he was interested in her as a social type, and when he got to know her he liked her for herself. She in turn liked him, although she did tell me once over lunch that he spoke ?Cockney?. Cockney seems to have been the generic term to describe all non-U speech, regardless of geography. The closing chapters of Donovan?s biography, drawing on the Berg Collection and the Beaverbrook papers, shed new light on the difficulties of his relationship with Dorothy Cheston, who emerges as wayward, opinionated and not good with money ? her entrepreneurial attempts in the theatre were not successful, although he was always prepared to back them, just as he had always backed Marguerite?s aspirations to give public poetry recitals, recitals of which Bloomsbury made much fun. Dorothy also appears to have quarrelled with the servants, maybe even violently. Bennett himself was always scrupulously polite and generous to his staff, who were as loyal to him as he was to them. His settlement on Marguerite had also been generous, and Dorothy felt that she herself was not as well treated as she should have been, and was kept short of ready money. Certainly when he died there was not as much left as she might have expected from one who had been such a spectacularly well paid and prolific author ? there was a respectable, but not a vast estate. To me, she repeatedly said that this was the fault of America and the Depression and the Wall Street Crash, and that some of his reported last words, ?Everything is going wrong, my girl?, referred not to his health and impending death, nor to his relationship with her, but to his finances. Donovan notes that ?by far the greatest part of his estate was made up of manuscripts and other ?illiquid? assets which ? took a considerable time to sell?. In later years I came to know their daughter, Virginia, who had had a difficult childhood with Dorothy, who took her to America with her as she attempted, unsuccessfully, to pursue a theatrical career. Virginia later married happily and settled in Paris. She had few memories of her father to share, but she was good and interesting company, and she and her family remained very proud of Bennett?s work and reputation. She must have been pleased to know that when Dorothy cabled to Arnold on his yacht to tell him that she was unexpectedly pregnant, he cabled back to her: ?Very sorry. Very glad. Shall catch boat Hook of Holland, be with you tomorrow?. Alas, we have only Dorothy?s word for this, as I have not seen the cable, and the source, Dorothy?s A Portrait Done at Home, cannot wholly be trusted. (If it was made up, that?s one up to Dorothy.) Maybe the cable reposes in the Berg Collection? I knew of the existence of the Berg Collection when I was doing my research in the 1960s and early 1970s, but I had three small children and no money, so there was no possibility of my getting to New York to see it, even if I could have gained access. But it would be good if the cable story were true. Margaret Drabble is currently writing a memoir, and six of her novels are being reissued by Canongate in June. On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 7:03 PM Leslie Hankins via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > if anyone can access this article could you send it to me? It is relevant > to my conference offering!! Leslie On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Gretchen > Gerzina via Vwoolf wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > if anyone can access this article could you send it to me? It is relevant > to my conference offering!! Leslie > > On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 2:56 PM Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> |-------------------------------------------------------------------! >> >> It is behind a paywall, but perhaps some of you have access to the TLS: >> >> A writer with class >> A new biography sets up the clash between Arnold Bennett and Virginia >> Woolf >> By Margaret Drabble >> >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.the-tls.co.uk/articles/arnold-bennett-lost-icon-patrick-donovan-book-review-margaret-drabble/?utm_source=Sailthru&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=TLS*202022*2005*2013&utm_term=TLS_Audience__;JSUl!!KGKeukY!xSJ8wxZjDfV1KvwB59TXojSJRWUMWGlyoH0qu0LsFD4RKyxuMPh3zfOtZLvwd7nNrcYT1ao54ayA6W4$ >> >> --Gretchen Gerzina >> >> >> ?On 5/16/22, 12:25 PM, "vwoolf-bounces+ozma=sover.net at lists.osu.edu on >> behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu" > sover.net at lists.osu.edu on behalf of vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. 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Re: Giles (ex names and nations) (Shilo McGiff) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 04:01:03 -0400 >> From: Kllevenback >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: [Vwoolf] NYTimes: My College Students Are Not OK?are students >> of Virginia Woolf different? >> Message-ID: <68A24148-FCA1-477E-8D03-060E4066C430 at att.net> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Just wondering?. >> Karen Levenback >> >> My College Students Are Not OK >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2022/05/13/opinion/college-university-remote-pandemic.html?referringSource=articleShare__;!!KGKeukY!2pFnD0YRC_FeLImdN3-bwfiGpb7lyf7a1cqvkdetkrib13cu0koL9FApgohQM51sxSrM3JdjffQHrOG8NN_12gA$ >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:58:39 +0000 (UTC) >> From: Mark Hussey >> To: "Stuart N. Clarke" , Vwoolf >> Listerve >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) >> Message-ID: <245827373.3798240.1652705919994 at mail.yahoo.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey? >> On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> sounds a posh name to me,Giles is not very common in Woolf.? It was a >> popular name in the medieval period (St Giles was the patron saint of >> ?cripples?), and appropriately there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of >> Mistress Joan Martyn?.? Giles sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a >> distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), >> who nevertheless was an ACTOR: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!zyj8oUENhg2KrmHjwUUVOgHMcQeV-iHt3a5l2lWfKJ-Smp3d1-5FEjwTcsZw3RfHgI-bigtOP-T0XX09pqVR9A$ >> ?Stuart?From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: S >> unday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AMTo: VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu Subject: >> [Vwoolf] names and nations?Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage >> from Joseph Heller?s Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given >> names, but the emotions inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized >> how often the name Yossarian >> Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black eyes. >> >> ? >> >> Yossarian - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so >> many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word >> subversive itself. It was like seditious and insidious too, and like >> socialist, suspicious, fascist and Communist. It was an odious, alien >> distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It was not at all >> like such clean, crisp, honest American names as Cathcart, Peckem and >> Dreedle. >> >> ? >> >> (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) >> >> ? >> >> One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in Between the Acts. >> What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for >> Woolf? >> >> ? >> >> Jeremy H >> >> ? >> >> ? >> >> Jeremy Hawthorn >> >> Professor Emeritus >> >> NTNU >> >> 7491 Trondheim >> >> Norway >> >> ? >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220516/0fad66d0/attachment-0001.html >> > >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 3 >> Date: Mon, 16 May 2022 12:24:43 -0400 >> From: Shilo McGiff >> To: Mark Hussey >> Cc: Vwoolf Listerve >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Giles (ex names and nations) >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> What of "Gilles" as a stock figure in French farce? >> In any event, "little goat" gives this (somewhat) modern student of >> pastoral...a frisson. >> >> Happy Monday, All. >> >> SRM >> >> >> On Mon, May 16, 2022 at 8:58 AM Mark Hussey via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> >> wrote: >> >> > Sorry if I?ve overlooked a post, but? Giles Lytton Strachey >> > >> > On Sunday, May 15, 2022, 12:12:37 PM EDT, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> > >> > >> > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> > sounds a posh name to me, >> > Giles is not very common in Woolf. It was a popular name in the medieval >> > period (St Giles was the patron saint of ?cripples?), and appropriately >> > there?s a Giles Martyn in ?The Journal of Mistress Joan Martyn?. Giles >> > sounds a posh name to me, and indeed a distant cousin of Woolf?s was Sir >> > Gyles Isham, Bt (see letter no. 2690), who nevertheless was an ACTOR: >> > >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!29ygSF2vrKsupppdaJi-BU5qwU7p5Zhyuxk0HY_PMXgViAklx7HpMUPdpNk_sxg4pBsxfryCzPajhyQOn8hW$ >> > < >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyles_Isham__;!!KGKeukY!2q9eNjnnq9Wq29f7uwXV7BpR0hHa9Ugyp4UbHmVmdFQzy7d6URIJK4QyBXyFumNoYXC_euI-5Yz0Xa3lIWidolLyIkB1JViURagalBTYIQ$ >> > >> > >> > Stuart >> > >> > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> > *Sent:* Sunday, May 15, 2022 10:00 AM >> > *To:* VWOOLF at lists.acs.ohio-state.edu >> > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] names and nations >> > >> > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> > Catch 22 ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the >> emotions >> > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> > Yossarian >> > >> > Stuart?s exasperation reminds me of this passage from Joseph Heller?s >> *Catch >> > 22* ? it deals with surnames rather than given names, but the emotions >> > inspired are similar. Colonel Cathcart has realized how often the name >> > Yossarian is associated with events that dealt him metaphorical black >> eyes. >> > >> > >> > >> > *Yossarian* - the very sight of the name made him shudder. There were so >> > many esses in it. It just had to be subversive. It was like the word >> > *subversive* itself. It was like *seditious* and *insidious* too, and >> > like *socialist*, *suspicious*, *fascist* and *Communist*. It was an >> > odious, alien distasteful name, that just did not inspire confidence. It >> > was not at all like such clean, crisp, honest American names as >> Cathcart, >> > Peckem and Dreedle. >> > >> > >> > >> > (Why does Heller give ?Communist? a capital letter?) >> > >> > >> > >> > One Woolf name I have often wondered about is Giles, in *Between the >> Acts*. >> > What associations does that name have for readers - or did it have for >> > Woolf? >> > >> > >> > >> > Jeremy H >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > Jeremy Hawthorn >> > >> > Professor Emeritus >> > >> > NTNU >> > >> > 7491 Trondheim >> > >> > Norway >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------ >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Vwoolf mailing list >> > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > >> >> >> -- >> Shilo R. 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It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others > authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby > notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in > relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may > be unlawful. > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -- Dr. Emily Kopley Author of *Virginia Woolf and Poetry * (Oxford University Press, 2021) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Benjamin.Hagen at usd.edu Tue May 17 10:46:41 2022 From: Benjamin.Hagen at usd.edu (Hagen, Benjamin D) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 14:46:41 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program In-Reply-To: References: <097201d869f4$1c37df30$54a79d90$@btinternet.com> <09ac01d869f7$f59a0520$e0ce0f60$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Thank you everyone! (Esp. Stephen!) You may be wondering why I sent this query. The family of Ed Hungerford donated his collection of Woof and Woolf-related books to the IVWS. They kindly shipped them to my home, where I?m keeping them safe until the Society decides their future. For now, though, I?ve been regularly photographing and making posts about the collection on the IVWS Instagram page. For those on Instagram, you can follow us here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/international_v_woolf_society/__;!!KGKeukY!1Vz2Y73f91FfiqdH-creGgvdiWa8ioMU-6_OaYPp6fyq-1YVfTuX-jvSzntzC3smymVpgMqqSCodU4GMBuJlpZzvcZzFNg$ (you may need an Instagram account to view the photos). What does this have to do with Ed?s 1995 conference paper? Well, in preparing a post for one of his copies of The Waves, I noted some marginalia on p. 78 that reads, ?Paper for Otterbein College,? and a date, ?1995.? There was also underlining on p. 79 that marked Woolf?s reference to Byron. Sure enough, as Stephen has confirmed, Ed presented a paper on Woolf and Byron at Beth Rigel Daugherty?s conference in 1995 (hosted at Otterbein College). All best, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society Zoom Office [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. From: annemarie bantzinger Date: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:18 AM To: Stephen Barkway , Hagen, Benjamin D , vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program Thanks! Outlook voor Android downloaden ________________________________ From: Stephen Barkway Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:11:10 PM To: 'annemarie bantzinger' ; 'Hagen, Benjamin D' ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program Hi, It?s at the foot of p. 303 in the Conference Programme section. Stephen From: annemarie bantzinger Sent: 17 May 2022 15:07 To: Stephen Barkway ; 'Hagen, Benjamin D' ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program No. Alas dear Stephen. No mention of him in the fifth. Should I look further? Outlook voor Android downloaden ________________________________ From: Vwoolf > on behalf of Stephen Barkway via Vwoolf > Sent: Tuesday, May 17, 2022 3:43:37 PM To: 'Hagen, Benjamin D' >; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) Stephen From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) Stephen From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf Sent: 17 May 2022 14:35 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program Hi all, Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, the title of his ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hi all, Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, the title of his presentation? Thank you! Best, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society Zoom Office [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk Tue May 17 18:13:25 2022 From: M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk (Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 22:13:25 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] =?windows-1252?q?=91The_Woolfs=92_Wartime_Music=92_Spoti?= =?windows-1252?q?fy_Playlist?= Message-ID: Dear Woolfians, Based on a purchase 20 years ago by Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain co-founder, Sheila Wilkinson, of a number of the Woolfs? gramophone records at a Lewes auction, I created a playlist on Spotify, for which Stephen Barkway?s classical music expertise was of invaluable assistance. ?The Woolfs? Wartime Music? can now be accessed by everyone at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://open.spotify.com/playlist/11pSSAM8dMGFs5ExrPhQqI__;!!KGKeukY!ycs-E8GC9hZMpIRTOK-2SzlhP_bFnWk3wk7kmI_cJgOkZR97biUDyDoLadsrf-HKGwsVvl4BdFCO7em6INdj5MCoejyD5Q$ In addition, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain members can read Stephen?s article about the Woolfs? musical tastes around the time of the Second World War in the May Bulletin. If you're not a member but would like to be, see the Membership page of the website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/membership/__;!!KGKeukY!ycs-E8GC9hZMpIRTOK-2SzlhP_bFnWk3wk7kmI_cJgOkZR97biUDyDoLadsrf-HKGwsVvl4BdFCO7em6INdj5MAIiOy8wg$ Warm wishes, Marielle Marielle O?Neill Doctoral Researcher, Leeds Trinity University Executive Council Member, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/events/__;!!KGKeukY!ycs-E8GC9hZMpIRTOK-2SzlhP_bFnWk3wk7kmI_cJgOkZR97biUDyDoLadsrf-HKGwsVvl4BdFCO7em6INdj5MCQv8eV_A$ Programming Co-chair, Outside/rs 2022 Conference: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://outsiders2022.wordpress.com/__;!!KGKeukY!ycs-E8GC9hZMpIRTOK-2SzlhP_bFnWk3wk7kmI_cJgOkZR97biUDyDoLadsrf-HKGwsVvl4BdFCO7em6INdj5MBsTnLGSA$ Postgraduate Researchers? Representative, Leeds Trinity University https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://research.leedstrinity.ac.uk/en/persons/marielle-oneill__;!!KGKeukY!ycs-E8GC9hZMpIRTOK-2SzlhP_bFnWk3wk7kmI_cJgOkZR97biUDyDoLadsrf-HKGwsVvl4BdFCO7em6INdj5MAPrVnOuA$ m.oneill at leedstrinity.ac.uk Pronouns: She/Her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From hollisc at berkeley.edu Tue May 17 18:36:46 2022 From: hollisc at berkeley.edu (Catherine W. Hollis) Date: Tue, 17 May 2022 15:36:46 -0700 Subject: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program In-Reply-To: References: <097201d869f4$1c37df30$54a79d90$@btinternet.com> <09ac01d869f7$f59a0520$e0ce0f60$@btinternet.com> Message-ID: I love this bibliographic detective work!! Well done, all ... Catherine Catherine W. Hollis, PhD Instructor, Fall Program for Freshmen Bibliographer / Historian (2021 - 2023), International Virginia Woolf Society U.C. Berkeley Berkeley, CA 94720 hollisc at berkeley.edu On Tue, May 17, 2022 at 7:48 AM Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Thank you everyone! (Esp. Stephen!) You may be wondering why I sent this > query. The family of Ed Hungerford donated his collection of Woof and > Woolf-related books to the IVWS. They kindly shipped them to my home, where > I?m keeping them safe > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Thank you everyone! (Esp. Stephen!) > > > > You may be wondering why I sent this query. The family of Ed Hungerford > donated his collection of Woof and Woolf-related books to the IVWS. They > kindly shipped them to my home, where I?m keeping them safe until the > Society decides their future. For now, though, I?ve been regularly > photographing and making posts about the collection on the IVWS Instagram > page. > > > > For those on Instagram, you can follow us here: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/international_v_woolf_society/__;!!KGKeukY!wUJmNPG4TiQ8LFZr1jtSDFA9wO_vzU8ZPyTld5IBirN9qZt9XbTOvuWq-8TNm3mssRhynmrUZA8SdhV6H4XCJ33-$ > > (you may need an Instagram account to view the photos). > > > > What does this have to do with Ed?s 1995 conference paper? Well, in > preparing a post for one of his copies of *The Waves*, I noted some > marginalia on p. 78 that reads, ?Paper for Otterbein College,? and a date, > ?1995.? There was also underlining on p. 79 that marked Woolf?s reference > to Byron. > > > > Sure enough, as Stephen has confirmed, Ed presented a paper on Woolf and > Byron at Beth Rigel Daugherty?s conference in 1995 (hosted at Otterbein > College). > > > > All best, > > Ben > > ? > > Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) > > Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota > > Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence > > > Editor | Woolf Studies Annual > > > President | International Virginia Woolf Society > > > > > Zoom Office > > [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] > > ? > > *I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous > territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, > Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations.* > > > > *From: *annemarie bantzinger > *Date: *Tuesday, May 17, 2022 at 9:18 AM > *To: *Stephen Barkway , Hagen, Benjamin D < > Benjamin.Hagen at usd.edu>, vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program > > Thanks! > > > > Outlook voor Android > > downloaden > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Stephen Barkway > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2022 4:11:10 PM > *To:* 'annemarie bantzinger' ; 'Hagen, Benjamin > D' ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* RE: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program > > > > Hi, > > It?s at the foot of p. 303 in the Conference Programme section. > > > > Stephen > > > > *From:* annemarie bantzinger > *Sent:* 17 May 2022 15:07 > *To:* Stephen Barkway ; 'Hagen, Benjamin D' < > Benjamin.Hagen at usd.edu>; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program > > > > No. Alas dear Stephen. No mention of him in the fifth. > > Should I look further? > > > > Outlook voor Android > > downloaden > ------------------------------ > > *From:* Vwoolf on behalf of Stephen > Barkway via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Tuesday, May 17, 2022 3:43:37 PM > *To:* 'Hagen, Benjamin D' ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> > *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program > > > > ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the > 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) Stephen From: Vwoolf < > vwoolf-bounces+sbarkway=btinternet.com at lists.osu.edu> On Behalf Of Hagen, > Benjamin D via Vwoolf ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > *Report Suspicious > * > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > ?Woolf?s Ambivalence About Lord Byron?, Friday 16 June 1995 (one of the > 8.30-10.00 a.m. panels) > > > > Stephen > > > > *From:* Vwoolf *On > Behalf Of *Hagen, Benjamin D via Vwoolf > *Sent:* 17 May 2022 14:35 > *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Query: Fifth Annual Woolf Conference Program > > > > Hi all, Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th > Annual Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you > let me know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he > did, the title of his > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > *This Message Is From an External Sender * > > This message came from outside your organization. > > * Report Suspicious * > ? > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Hi all, > > > > Does anyone have access to the conference program of the 5th Annual > Conference on Virginia Woolf (Texts and Contexts)? If so, could you let me > know if Ed Hungerford presented a paper at the conference? And if he did, > the title of his presentation? > > > > Thank you! > > > > Best, > > Ben > > ? > > Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) > > Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota > > Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence > > > Editor | Woolf Studies Annual > > > President | International Virginia Woolf Society > > > > > Zoom Office > > [Meeting ID: 735 735 7944] > > ? > > *I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous > territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, > Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations.* > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From luca.pinelli at unibg.it Fri May 20 09:59:09 2022 From: luca.pinelli at unibg.it (Luca PINELLI) Date: Fri, 20 May 2022 15:59:09 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] International conference "Virginia Woolf & Simone de Beauvoir: Intersections and Resonances" (Paris, 29-30 Sept 2022) Message-ID: Dear All, it is with great pleasure that I circulate our call for papers for the international conference "Virginia Woolf & Simone de Beauvoir: Intersections and Resonances", which will take place in Paris (and online!) on 29th-30th September 2022. I am not really sure I can attach files so I will just copy and paste the call in English here (and I apologise for potential formatting issues). Feel free to get in touch with me through the email addresses in the cfp if you need a pdf to circulate somewhere else, I'll be more than happy to provide it! Sadly, we don't currently have a website or a page we can link you with. We also have a French version of the cfp as this will be a bilingual conference. *Virginia Woolf & Simone de Beauvoir: Intersections and Resonances*Universit? Paris 3 ? Sorbonne Nouvelle 29th-30th September 2022 Salle Claude Simon, Maison de la Recherche 4 Rue des Irlandais, 75005 Paris Although Virginia Woolf and Simone de Beauvoir are often mentioned in one and the same breath, only little scholarship so far has investigated the intersections between the two authors. Helen Southworth has dedicated some five pages to the connections between Woolf and Beauvoir (Southworth 2004: 126-131) but has only done so to tie them in with Colette, who is, along with Woolf, the ?real? subject of her monograph. Pierre-?ric Villeneuve (2002) has drawn attention to how Beauvoir described and instrumentalised Woolf?s oeuvre during her lecture tour in Japan in the 1960s, thereby suggesting that the French intellectual had a more interesting and materialist take on Woolf than most critics in France at the time. Suzanne Bellamy has recently drawn attention to the legacy of Woolf?s Three Guineas within the context of the ?Post-War Left?, especially in Beauvoir?s and Arendt?s work (Bellamy 2020). Maggie Humm, in her recent chapter, explores the similarities between the writing of Woolf, that of Beauvoir, and the cinematic experimentalism of Swedish film director Mai Zetterling (Humm 2021). Outside of the academic context, Rachel Cusk?s Guardian article explored the meaning of ?women?s writing? in the wake of Constance Borde and Sheila Malovany-Chevallier?s newly published English translation of *Le Deuxi?me Sexe* in 2009 (Cusk 2009). However, in the most authoritative collections of essays on Woolf, Beauvoir is hardly mentioned (Snaith 2007; Randall & Goldman 2012; Berman 2016); equally, Woolf is only mentioned in passing when referring to Beauvoir in an Anglophone context, but no attention has been paid to her in Beauvoir scholarship (Simons 2006; Hengehold & Bauer 2017; Kirkpatrick 2019). Interestingly, Toril Moi?s work has functioned as a watershed both in Woolf studies (Moi 1985) and in Beauvoir scholarship (Moi 1994), but her references to both authors have tended to be quite limited. All these existing contributions, albeit clearly limited in number, already reveal that the two authors offer more room for further exploration. In feminist circles, the notion of intersectionality has become foundational for feminist movements and feminist theory alike: after Crenshaw?s seminal article (Crenshaw 1989), more and more attention has been paid to Black, queer, radical, decolonial, anti-capitalist feminisms that insist on the interrelatedness of these liberation struggles. Some critics have found the two ?mothers? of second-wave feminisms lacking in those regards or have devised ways to reinterpret their work in the light of recent contributions to the field (e.g. Walker 1972, Marcus 2004, Coleman 2014 for Woolf; Simons 2002, Gines 2014, Altman 2020 for Beauvoir). While Southworth (2004) and Villeneuve (2002) have shed light on the intersection between Woolf and Beauvoir in terms of reception, none of the existing contributions have attempted to create a communication channel between the two feminist authors through the lens of intersectionality. Recently, the concept of resonance has gained wider currency in the humanities and in literary studies more specifically (Dimock 1997; Toop 2010; Rosa 2016; Napolin 2020). Although this flexible, often somewhat nebulous term has been found to be wanting in terms of academic rigour, it has often been pointed out how beneficial this could be for scholars who are interested in the reverberations between textual voices and echoes, readerships, and the slow rippling out of ideas beyond a purely diachronic understanding of influence. By focusing on the resonances between Woolf, Beauvoir, and possibly other authors and thinkers, this conference intends to bring together a varied ensemble of scholars to collaborate in order to piece together a version of literature, philosophy, and culture that exceeds all sorts of boundaries ? disciplinary, geographical, linguistic, and textual. The aim is thus to *bring together Woolf scholars and Beauvoir scholars to rethink the intersections and resonances between the two ?mothers? of second-wave feminisms, both within and beyond their respective literary and philosophical productions*. Topics of interest may include, but are not limited to: ? The reception of Woolf and/or Beauvoir in feminist circles, past and present; ? Intersectional feminism in and beyond Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Sound and resonance in the works of Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Literature and philosophy, literary theory between Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Pacifism, fascism and war in Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Corporeality, embodiment, and the body between Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Life-writing and autobiography in Woolf and Beauvoir; ? Resonances of Woolf and/or Beauvoir in other authors, either their contemporaries or ours (e.g. Marcel Proust, Simone Weil, Colette, Nathalie Sarraute, Alain Robbe-Grillet, Franz Kafka, Violette Leduc, Annie Ernaux, Rachel Cusk, Ian McEwan, Toni Morrison, bell hooks, Jeannette Winterson, etc.); ? Woolf, Beauvoir, and translation; ? Woolf, Beauvoir, and the philosophical tradition (e.g. phenomenology, psychoanalysis, feminist philosophy, queer theory, decolonial thought). This hybrid international conference intends to be markedly horizontal: there will be *no keynote speaker*; rather, t*he two communities of scholars are meant to collaborate and exchange ideas about Woolf and Beauvoir*. *No prior engagement with both authors is expected*, and we would like to encourage every participant to be generous and generative in their approach to others. The conference will take the form of several thematically linked panels on Woolf and Beauvoir. Proposals can be for single papers or for group papers or panels, as long as Woolf academics and Beauvoir scholars are involved in every panel. We also welcome proposals of roundtables around a specific subject or book that brings Woolf and Beauvoir together. A publication project will ensue. Registration fees for the conference are ?20 for senior academics (lecturers, professors), but no fees are required for students and PhD candidates. The languages of the conference are English and French, preferably with a concise summary and a presentation in the other language in order to make your contribution accessible to all. Proposals should be sent to woolfbeauvoir22 at gmail.com by the* 20th June 2022*. For 20-minute papers, proposals should be of no more than 300 words and should be accompanied by four keywords and a short bio (200 words), along with an expressed preference for attending the conference in person or online. For roundtables, proposals should be of no more than 400 words and should include a short bio of every person involved in the roundtable (no more than 4 people, with a 200-word bio for each speaker). Notifications of acceptance will be sent by 30th June 2022. *Works cited*Altman, Meryl. 2020. Beauvoir in Time. Brill. Bellamy, Suzanne. 2020. ?Woolf and the Post-War Left: Simone de Beauvoir, Hanna Arendt, Legacies and Resonances of Three Guineas?. In Conversas com Virginia Woolf, edited by David Pinho, Maria A. de Oliveira, N?cea Nogueira. Ape?Ku. 262-273. Berman, Jessica, ed. 2016. A Companion to Virginia Woolf. Wiley-Blackwell. Coleman, Lisa. 2014. ?Woolf?s Troubled and Troubling Relationship to Race. The Long Reach of the White Arm of Imperialism?. In Virginia Woolf and the Common(wealth) Reader, edited by Helen Wussow and Mary Ann Gillies, Liverpool University Press. Crenshaw, Kimberl?. 1989. ?Demarginalizing the Intersection of Race and Sex: A Black Feminist Critique of Antidiscrimination Doctrine, Feminist Theory and Antiracist Politics?, University of Chicago Legal Forum 1 (8), pp. 139-167. Cusk, Rachel. 2009. ?Shakespeare?s Daughters?. The Guardian, 12 December 2009. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.theguardian.com/books/2009/dec/12/rachel-cusk-women-writing-review__;!!KGKeukY!2qM5JVS6VDDemqY1SVYNu3Rzw3ll_UVMHf1xma1qOoVQWIS5hFCu5LI6HMD79M32bmA316aZz4W5_8Q3KSbLEcdPCYo$ [last accessed 19/10/2021 10.55]. Dimock, Wai Chee. 1997. ?A Theory of Resonance?, PMLA 112 (5), pp. 1060-1071. Gines, Kathryn T. [Kathryn Sophia Belle]. ?Comparative and Competing Frameworks of Oppression in Simone de Beauvoir?s The Second Sex?, Graduate Faculty Philosophy Journal 1-2, 2014, pp. 251-273. Hengehold, Laura, and Nancy Bauer, eds. 2017. A Companion to Simone de Beauvoir. Wiley-Blackwell. Humm, Maggie. 2021. ?Realms of Resemblance: Virginia Woolf, Simone de Beauvoir and Ma? Zetterling?. In Women Writers and Experimental Narratives: Early Modern to Contemporary, edited by Kate Aughterson and Deborah Philips, Palgrave Macmillan, 125?37. Kirkpatrick, Kate. 2019. Becoming Beauvoir: A Life. Bloomsbury. Marcus, Jane. 2004. Hearts of Darkness: White Women Write Race. Rutgers University Press. 4 Moi, Toril. 1985. Sexual/Textual Politics: Feminist Literary Theory. Methuen. Moi, Toril. 1994. Simone de Beauvoir: The Making of an Intellectual Woman. Oxford University Press. Napolin, Julie Beth. 2020. The Fact of Resonance: Modernist Acoustics and Narrative Form. Fordham University Press. Randall, Bryony, and Jane Goldman, eds. 2012. Virginia Woolf in Context. Literature in Context. Cambridge University Press. Rosa, Hartmut. 2016. Resonanz: Eine Soziologie der Weltbeziehung. Suhrkamp. Translated into English by James Wagner, Resonance: A Sociology of Our Relationship to the World. Polity. 2019. Simons, Margaret A. 2002. ?Beauvoir and the Problem of Racism?. In Philosophers on Race: Critical Issues, edited by Julie K. Ward and Tommy L. Lott, Blackwell. Simons, Margaret A., ed. 2006. The Philosophy of Simone de Beauvoir: Critical Essays, Indiana University Press. Snaith, A., ed. 2007. Palgrave Advances in Virginia Woolf Studies. Palgrave Macmillan. Southworth, Helen. 2004. The Intersecting Realities and Fictions of Virginia Woolf and Colette. The Ohio State University Press. Toop, David. 2010. Sinister Resonance: The Mediumship of the Listener. Continuum. Villeneuve, Pierre-?ric. 2002. ?Virginia Woolf among Writers and Critics: The French Intellectual Scene?. In The Reception of Virginia Woolf in Europe, edited by Mary Ann Caws and Nicola Luckhurst, Continuum, pp. 19-38. Walker, Alice. 1972. ?In Search of Our Mothers? Gardens?. In Within the Circle: An Anthology of African American Literary Criticism from the Harlem Renaissance to the Present, edited by Angelyn Mitchell, Duke University Press, 1994. Scientific committee: Isabelle Alfandary (Sorbonne Nouvelle), Marie All?gre (Birmingham), Rossana Bonadei (Bergamo), Claire Davison (Sorbonne Nouvelle), Val?rie Favre (Lyon 2), Michela Gardini (Bergamo), Jean-Louis Jeannelle (Sorbonne), Jessica Passos (Northwestern-Sorbonne Nouvelle), Luca Pinelli (Bergamo-Sorbonne Nouvelle), Bryony Randall (Glasgow), Marine Rouch (Toulouse 2). Organising committee: Luca Pinelli, Jessica Passos, Claire Davison. 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She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that Woolf encouraged students to collect. with thanks, MG -- Michael Gorra Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English Smith College Northampton, MA 01063 413-585-3305 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From emily.kopley at gmail.com Sun May 29 17:30:31 2022 From: emily.kopley at gmail.com (Emily Kopley) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 17:30:31 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Michael, and all, S. P. Rosenbaum in *Aspects of Bloomsbury* (113-118) surveys the accounts of those who heard the original "Women and Fiction" lectures. Of QD Leavis, he writes (here online), "Another undergraduate who heard the Girton paper was Queenie Roth. A friend recalled that she impressed Woolf, who was going to send her a pamphlet (Gwendolen Freeman, *Alma Mater*, p. 87)...." And Jane Marcus discusses the Girton and Newnham audiences in *VW, Cambridge, and *AROO: '*The Proper Upkeep of Names' *(London: Cecil Woolf, 1996). She also discusses QD Leavis on Woolf briefly in "No More Horses: VW on Art and Propaganda," in *Art and Anger*. Best, Emily On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 3:14 PM Michael Gorra via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that > became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in > fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was > possible that > What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that > became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in > fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was > possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the > audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but > since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she > had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction > and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that > Woolf encouraged students to collect. > > with thanks, > > MG > > -- > Michael Gorra > Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English > Smith College > Northampton, MA 01063 > 413-585-3305 > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -- Dr. Emily Kopley Author of *Virginia Woolf and Poetry * (Oxford University Press, 2021) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stansky at stanford.edu Sun May 29 17:52:34 2022 From: stansky at stanford.edu (Peter D L Stansky) Date: Sun, 29 May 2022 21:52:34 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton archives might have relevant information. I write a bit about it all and the audiences (which VW rather insulted by her assumption that they at best were likely to become school teachers while they had individuals who went on to very distinguished academic careers, perhaps Queenie as well) in my Julian Bell: From Bloomsbury to the Spanish Civil War. I can?t believe that Hermione Lee doesn?t write about it in her biography?the best one?but perhaps other biographers do as well. The mss of the book is at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge and S.P. Rosenbaum published an edition of it in which I presume he discusses the audience although I can?t remember off hand if he does. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael Gorra via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:15 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that Woolf encouraged students to collect. with thanks, MG -- Michael Gorra Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English Smith College Northampton, MA 01063 413-585-3305 -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mc at clarior.net Sun May 29 18:03:59 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 00:03:59 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's (*Granite & Rainbow*, 1998)? Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:52 PM Peter D L Stansky via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether > Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it > very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton > undergraduate at the time. The Girton > > A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether > Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it > very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton > undergraduate at the time. The Girton archives might have relevant > information. > > I write a bit about it all and the audiences (which VW rather insulted by > her assumption that they at best were likely to become school teachers > while they had individuals who went on to very distinguished academic > careers, perhaps Queenie as well) in my *Julian Bell: From Bloomsbury to > the Spanish Civil War*. I can?t believe that Hermione Lee doesn?t write > about it in her biography?the best one?but perhaps other biographers do as > well. The mss of the book is at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge and > S.P. Rosenbaum published an edition of it in which I presume he discusses > the audience although I can?t remember off hand if he does. > > > > Sent from Mail > > for Windows > > > > *From: *Michael Gorra via Vwoolf > *Sent: *Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:15 PM > *To: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject: *[Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) > > > > What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that > became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in > fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was > possible that > > What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that > became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in > fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was > possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the > audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but > since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she > had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction > and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that > Woolf encouraged students to collect. > > > > with thanks, > > > MG > > > > -- > > Michael Gorra > > Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English > > Smith College > > Northampton, MA 01063 > > 413-585-3305 > > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's (Granite & Rainbow, 1998)? Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:52 PM Peter D L Stansky via Vwoolf > wrote: A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton archives might have relevant information. I write a bit about it all and the audiences (which VW rather insulted by her assumption that they at best were likely to become school teachers while they had individuals who went on to very distinguished academic careers, perhaps Queenie as well) in my Julian Bell: From Bloomsbury to the Spanish Civil War. I can?t believe that Hermione Lee doesn?t write about it in her biography?the best one?but perhaps other biographers do as well. The mss of the book is at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge and S.P. Rosenbaum published an edition of it in which I presume he discusses the audience although I can?t remember off hand if he does. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael Gorra via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:15 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that Woolf encouraged students to collect. with thanks, MG -- Michael Gorra Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English Smith College Northampton, MA 01063 413-585-3305 _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon May 30 10:03:40 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 30 May 2022 15:03:40 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) In-Reply-To: <00bf01d87421$ec217cb0$c4647610$@verizon.net> References: <00bf01d87421$ec217cb0$c4647610$@verizon.net> Message-ID: In the intro. to the Shakespeare Head edn of ?Room?, I tried to establish what little was known about the content of the talks, by quoting contemporary reports. The trouble with the later memories of those who attended is that they tend to conflate the talk with the book. Stuart From: Mark Hussey via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 1:36 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) Another Girton student, Kathleen Raine (poet and critic), describes Woolf?s visit in one of the volumes of her memoirs, but I don?t remember which one. See also ?Mrs Woolf Comes to Dine? and ?A Room of One?s Own?, in A Newnham Anthology ? ? ? Another Girton student, Kathleen Raine (poet and critic), describes Woolf?s visit in one of the volumes of her memoirs, but I don?t remember which one. See also ?Mrs Woolf Comes to Dine? and ?A Room of One?s Own?, in A Newnham Anthology, ed. Ann Philips (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1979) pp. 174?5. From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Marie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:04 PM To: Peter D L Stansky Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu; Michael Gorra Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's (Granite & Rainbow, 1998)? Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:52 PM Peter D L Stansky via Vwoolf wrote: A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton archives might have relevant information. I write a bit about it all and the audiences (which VW rather insulted by her assumption that they at best were likely to become school teachers while they had individuals who went on to very distinguished academic careers, perhaps Queenie as well) in my Julian Bell: From Bloomsbury to the Spanish Civil War. I can?t believe that Hermione Lee doesn?t write about it in her biography?the best one?but perhaps other biographers do as well. The mss of the book is at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge and S.P. Rosenbaum published an edition of it in which I presume he discusses the audience although I can?t remember off hand if he does. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael Gorra via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:15 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that Woolf encouraged students to collect. with thanks, MG -- Michael Gorra Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English Smith College Northampton, MA 01063 413-585-3305 _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Rylands bequeathed the dining table, with his wine glass stains, to Charleston and Charleston has lent the table to Newnham for fund raising purposes. Its first outing was a reception in its honor with my students at Newnham. I also took the students to the Fitzwilliam to view the mss of ROOO and they wrote papers on selected mss pages. It?s still true I believe that only senior members of King?s can walk on its grass and at Newnham anyone can walk on the grass. But that may have changed at King?s with the back lawn now being a wild flower meadow. Best, Peter Sent from Mail for Windows From: Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 7:04 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) In the intro. to the Shakespeare Head edn of ?Room?, I tried to establish what little was known about the content of the talks, by quoting contemporary reports. The trouble with the later memories of those who attended is that they tend to In the intro. to the Shakespeare Head edn of ?Room?, I tried to establish what little was known about the content of the talks, by quoting contemporary reports. The trouble with the later memories of those who attended is that they tend to conflate the talk with the book. Stuart From: Mark Hussey via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, May 30, 2022 1:36 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) Another Girton student, Kathleen Raine (poet and critic), describes Woolf?s visit in one of the volumes of her memoirs, but I don?t remember which one. See also ?Mrs Woolf Comes to Dine? and ?A Room of One?s Own?, in A Newnham Anthology ? ? ? Another Girton student, Kathleen Raine (poet and critic), describes Woolf?s visit in one of the volumes of her memoirs, but I don?t remember which one. See also ?Mrs Woolf Comes to Dine? and ?A Room of One?s Own?, in A Newnham Anthology, ed. Ann Philips (Cambridge: Cambridge University Press, 1979) pp. 174?5. From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Marie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 6:04 PM To: Peter D L Stansky Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu; Michael Gorra Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's interesting comments - thank you all for sharing them. About VW Biographies, and their comparative merits, please may one respectfully ask what would make Dame Hermione Lee's "the best one"? What about Mitchel A. Leaska's (Granite & Rainbow, 1998)? 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On Sun, May 29, 2022 at 11:52 PM Peter D L Stansky via Vwoolf wrote: A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton A lot is known about her audience although I can?t remember whether Q.D.Leavis is mentioned in the various discussions I?ve read. I think it very unlikely that she wasn?t in the audience if she were a Girton undergraduate at the time. The Girton archives might have relevant information. I write a bit about it all and the audiences (which VW rather insulted by her assumption that they at best were likely to become school teachers while they had individuals who went on to very distinguished academic careers, perhaps Queenie as well) in my Julian Bell: From Bloomsbury to the Spanish Civil War. I can?t believe that Hermione Lee doesn?t write about it in her biography?the best one?but perhaps other biographers do as well. The mss of the book is at the Fitzwilliam Museum in Cambridge and S.P. Rosenbaum published an edition of it in which I presume he discusses the audience although I can?t remember off hand if he does. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Michael Gorra via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2022 12:15 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf and Queenie Roth (later Leavis) What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that What is known about the audience to whom Woolf delivered the lectures that became A Room of One's Own? I know that they were at Girton and Newnham in fall 1928, but that's about it. I ask because I'm wondering it was possible that Queenie Roth--Q.D. Leavis a few years later--was in the audience. She'd finished her undergraduate work at Girton that spring but since she stuck around for a Ph.D....It would be a wonderful irony if she had been given the Leavises later hostility to Woolf, and of course Fiction and the Reading Public (1932) contains just the mass of information that Woolf encouraged students to collect. with thanks, MG -- Michael Gorra Mary Augusta Jordan Professor of English Smith College Northampton, MA 01063 413-585-3305 _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Tue, 31 May 2022 14:10:37 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Call for Submissions for Issue 100 of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany--"The Evolution of the Miscellany" Message-ID: Call for Papers Virginia Woolf Miscellany Topic: The Evolution of the Miscellany Issue 100, Fall-Winter 2022 Editors: J. J. Wilson, Vara Neverow, and Alec Pollak Submissions should be sent to the editors by Friday, September 16, 2022 (earlier submissions are preferred) Submissions should be no longer than 750 words We are seeking submissions for Issue 100 of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany that focus on the evolution of the journal itself. The Miscellany was founded in 1973 as a forum for readers of all sorts to come together in shared enthusiasm (and shared curiosity) for an intriguing, engrossing, but (then) underappreciated writer: Virginia Woolf. The Miscellany was able to bring Woolf into focus and attract her readers at a time when she was still a ?minor? figure both in critical reception and in academia. In the pages of the Miscellany's first 99 issues, one can trace the rise of a complex and multifaceted readership, and we hope the 100th issue of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany will offer an opportunity to reflect on the publication's 50-year history and influence. We welcome contributions from ?common readers,? graduate and undergraduate students (and high school students as well!), independent scholars, adjuncts and full professors and faculty who have retired, those who have just discovered the Miscellany for the first time and those who have contributed work to the Miscellany just recently or multiple times, those who have served as guest editors, those who are members of the International Virginia Woolf Society and have opted to receive print copies (a membership perk), those who access the print versions held in their university library?s collection, and those who read the Miscellany only online. The three co-editors of this 100th issue represent different three generations of engagement with the Miscellany, and each is eager to explore a distinct set of questions that delve into the categories listed below, including such topics as: * When and how (and why) did you initially encounter the Miscellany? * How, as a common reader or an independent scholar or an academic, has the Miscellany inspired you and affected your reading and thinking? * How has the Miscellany contributed to your research and publication if you are an independent scholar or an academic? * How has the Miscellany informed or inspired your learning experience as a student? Below we have clustered a range of more specific possible approaches for the contributions that emphasize the interests and perspectives of each editor. J. J. Wilson, Miscellany Co-Founder (Professor emeritus (emerita?), Sonoma State University), created the Miscellany and launched it in 1973. Consider the prompts below as possible inspirations. J. J. wonders if you would like to write a (love) letter to the Miscellany, or perhaps more to the point, describe some of the ways VWM over the years has contributed to your reading and teaching and scholarship on Virginia Woolf and her circle. Did it remind you of something which you already knew or tell you about something new? Maybe the Miscellany has inspired you or influenced you or created new friendships in a welcoming community or discuss how you perceive the Miscellany has survived, thrived, and changed, or give us some ways to make it better by suggesting new features. Or cover ALL of these topics (in 750 words or less by the due date mentioned above). Good luck with that! Vara Neverow, Current Miscellany Editor (Professor, Southern Connecticut State University), inherited the journal in spring 2003 when J. J. Wilson retired at Sonoma State University. In the transition, the format and focus of the Miscellany evolved in new ways, including the online publication and the focus on special topics. Vara suggests that you might want to discuss one of your favorite issues of the Miscellany or compare two of them. If you are an academic or independent scholar, you could consider how the Miscellany has shaped your understanding of Woolf studies and reception, influenced your scholarship, or contributed to your academic career through the building of a community. If you are a ?common reader,? you could consider how the Miscellany informed your engagement with Woolf--and with Woolfians. Do you think the non-peer-review status of the Miscellany is valuable for those who wish to share their work? Are your experiences of accessing the online version of the Miscellany significantly different from reading the print version? Do you prefer one format over the other? What features of the Miscellany particularly appeal to you as a reader? For example, how does the content, focus, style, and appearance engage you? How do you think the Miscellany is likely to evolve in the digital age and in today?s literary landscape? How does the Miscellany align with the conversations on the VWoolf listserv, with various social media, or with the recent emergence of Zoom events (including those hosted by the International Virginia Woolf Society, the Woolf Salon co-conspirators, the Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain, and other Woolf societies)? Alec Pollak, PhD Candidate (Cornell University), is at work on a dissertation about literary estates, in which the Miscellany features prominently. Alec has had the luxury of taking Virginia Woolf for granted as a widely-read, well-regarded author worthy of publication and attention?as a cornerstone of modernist and feminist thought, of what we might call English literary ?canon.? Alec quickly learned that this had not always been the case and that Woolf?s status was, in fact, hard-won. She wonders what role the Miscellany has played establishing Woolf?s merits, tracing changes in readerly tastes, and cultivating a literary landscape wherein young readers can take Woolf?s accessibility as a given. And, of course, you are welcome to devise your own topic. All best wishes, Vara, J. J., and Alec p.s. The Miscellany is affiliated with but independent from the International Virginia Woolf Society. All issues of the Miscellany can be accessed free at: virginiawoolfmiscellany.files.wordpress.com Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. 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Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women?s and Gender Studies Program Managing Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugusett and Quinnepiac peoples. ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Kllevenback via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:40:13 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] NYer Print - Shared Article 'Benediction'?not about Virginia Woolf but? It was sent first class to the address on your emails. Michael posted it at the Takoma Park post office. If we can find the receipt we will enquire. Too bad?. 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URL: From neverowv1 at southernct.edu Tue May 31 20:46:12 2022 From: neverowv1 at southernct.edu (Neverow, Vara S.) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2022 00:46:12 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] =?utf-8?q?NYer_Print_-_Shared_Article_=27Benediction=27?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=94not_about_Virginia_Woolf_but=E2=80=A6?= In-Reply-To: References: <39E297D2-7B0A-4631-A4B5-7D9876138473@att.net> Message-ID: And my apologies to all that a private and unrelated conversation about a copy of the Miscellany Is showing up on the listserv. Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women?s and Gender Studies Program Managing Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugusett and Quinnepiac peoples. ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 8:43:14 PM To: Kllevenback ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] NYer Print - Shared Article 'Benediction'?not about Virginia Woolf but? Please do enquire! I was very taken aback. The postal folks are very good in general. V. Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women?s and Gender Studies Program Managing Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Please do enquire! I was very taken aback. The postal folks are very good in general. V. Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women?s and Gender Studies Program Managing Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugusett and Quinnepiac peoples. ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Kllevenback via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, May 31, 2022 7:40:13 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] NYer Print - Shared Article 'Benediction'?not about Virginia Woolf but? It was sent first class to the address on your emails. Michael posted it at the Takoma Park post office. If we can find the receipt we will enquire. Too bad?. Karen Sent from my iPad > On May 31, 2022, at 4:29 PM, Kllevenback wrote: > > ?I've shared 'Benediction' with you from NYer Print > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fwww.newyorker.com*2Fgoings-on-about-town*2F*3D&data=05*7C01*7Cneverowv1*40southernct.edu*7Cef73deec85784ddd716808da435efc9f*7C58736863d60e40ce95c60723c7eaaf67*7C0*7C0*7C637896372495573503*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=RZuOyIHXVX9Y0pwLJWTUreoRqsIAIM23*2FTj2SjfFvIA*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!2enhH59bSoOmWaF8l_ob_XJmIw7or8T2fVaVRJdTHeSu1uliueAUAb3arJXwJvg_qUf26zz6AcEyKBykSZnnUvK_alj2$ > movie _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Flists.osu.edu*2Fmailman*2Flistinfo*2Fvwoolf&data=05*7C01*7Cneverowv1*40southernct.edu*7Cef73deec85784ddd716808da435efc9f*7C58736863d60e40ce95c60723c7eaaf67*7C0*7C0*7C637896372495573503*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000*7C*7C*7C&sdata=J96rfq53xAEP7u60YzWlXiEfYalL6BXtjgQo*2BKMi7sk*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!2enhH59bSoOmWaF8l_ob_XJmIw7or8T2fVaVRJdTHeSu1uliueAUAb3arJXwJvg_qUf26zz6AcEyKBykSZnnUv-Q7azF$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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