From elisa.bolchi at gmail.com Fri Apr 1 10:11:50 2022 From: elisa.bolchi at gmail.com (Elisa Bolchi) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 16:11:50 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7073229f-b1b2-4453-ae2b-786f299027e7@Spark> Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! What Paula says about her post is interesting as well. Have a nice day! Elisa > > Elisa, Marielle was first to share the Google results; I just made the remark about the Google Doodle. I was wondering why there was such a spike for Jan 2018 and thought it might have been when the Italian VWS was founded, but that was around May 2017, wasn't it? > > Shame the figures don't go back as far as 1998, when the VWSGB was formed (beginnings of the internet), or 1976, for the IVWS (before widespread computer use). But let's not get into that or we could be here for some time . . . > > However, a minor point of interest is that about the same number of people access the VWSGB Facebook page from Italy as from the US, a slightly lower number (but not much) than from the UK. > Sarah > > > Sarah M. Hall > Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB > Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk > Facebook: @VWSGB > Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB > Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From J.deGay at leedstrinity.ac.uk Fri Apr 1 10:29:04 2022 From: J.deGay at leedstrinity.ac.uk (Jane deGay) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 14:29:04 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats In-Reply-To: <7073229f-b1b2-4453-ae2b-786f299027e7@Spark> References: <7073229f-b1b2-4453-ae2b-786f299027e7@Spark> Message-ID: Hello all Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a seminar entitled ?The Uses of the Manuscripts in Virginia Woolf Studies? took place, bringing together 35 scholars. From this initial connection a newsletter, the Virginia Woolf Miscellany, was begun in 1973, and at the 1975 MLA Convention a steering committee was formed that laid the groundwork for the incorporation of the Virginia Woolf Society in 1976. In 1982 the Society began to contribute a portion of its dues to the publication of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany. By 1996 about a fourth of Society members were outside the United States, and recognition of this global scholarship led to the name being changed to the International Virginia Woolf Society in December of that year. International Virginia Woolf Society (Fonds 51) | Special Collections | Collections | E.J. Pratt Library (utoronto.ca) Best wishes Jane PS I don?t think that the accompanying photo is of Woolfians, but I could be wrong? ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Elisa Bolchi via Vwoolf Sent: 01 April 2022 15:12 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! What Paula says about her post is interesting as well. Have a nice day! Elisa Elisa, Marielle was first to share the Google results; I just made the remark about the Google Doodle. I was wondering why there was such a spike for Jan 2018 and thought it might have been when the Italian VWS was founded, but that was around May 2017, wasn't it? Shame the figures don't go back as far as 1998, when the VWSGB was formed (beginnings of the internet), or 1976, for the IVWS (before widespread computer use). But let's not get into that or we could be here for some time . . . However, a minor point of interest is that about the same number of people access the VWSGB Facebook page from Italy as from the US, a slightly lower number (but not much) than from the UK. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Fri Apr 1 10:40:51 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:40:51 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats In-Reply-To: References: <7073229f-b1b2-4453-ae2b-786f299027e7@Spark> Message-ID: What about the ?Virginia Woolf Newsletter?? I know of the first 3 issues: Mar 1971, Nov 1971, Apr 1972. I only have no. 3. Stuart >From too much love of living, >From hope and fear set free, We thank with brief thanksgiving Whatever gods may be That no life lives for ever; That dead men rise up never; That even the weariest river Winds somewhere safe to sea. (What a pity Spater & Parsons couldn?t quote this accurately on p. 188 ? ?love? not ?hope? in the first line) From: Jane deGay via Vwoolf Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 3:29 PM To: Elisa Bolchi ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Google Stats Hello all Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is >From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hello all Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a seminar entitled ?The Uses of the Manuscripts in Virginia Woolf Studies? took place, bringing together 35 scholars. From this initial connection a newsletter, the Virginia Woolf Miscellany, was begun in 1973, and at the 1975 MLA Convention a steering committee was formed that laid the groundwork for the incorporation of the Virginia Woolf Society in 1976. In 1982 the Society began to contribute a portion of its dues to the publication of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany. By 1996 about a fourth of Society members were outside the United States, and recognition of this global scholarship led to the name being changed to the International Virginia Woolf Society in December of that year. International Virginia Woolf Society (Fonds 51) | Special Collections | Collections | E.J. Pratt Library (utoronto.ca) Best wishes Jane PS I don?t think that the accompanying photo is of Woolfians, but I could be wrong? ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Elisa Bolchi via Vwoolf Sent: 01 April 2022 15:12 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! What Paula says about her post is interesting as well. Have a nice day! Elisa Elisa, Marielle was first to share the Google results; I just made the remark about the Google Doodle. I was wondering why there was such a spike for Jan 2018 and thought it might have been when the Italian VWS was founded, but that was around May 2017, wasn't it? Shame the figures don't go back as far as 1998, when the VWSGB was formed (beginnings of the internet), or 1976, for the IVWS (before widespread computer use). But let's not get into that or we could be here for some time . . . However, a minor point of interest is that about the same number of people access the VWSGB Facebook page from Italy as from the US, a slightly lower number (but not much) than from the UK. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From neverowv1 at southernct.edu Fri Apr 1 11:18:14 2022 From: neverowv1 at southernct.edu (Neverow, Vara S.) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:18:14 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats In-Reply-To: References: <7073229f-b1b2-4453-ae2b-786f299027e7@Spark> Message-ID: The history of the brief life of the VW Newsletter from Mark Hussey?s VW: A to Z: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.dropbox.com/s/5auths4jkso4oye/VW*20Newsletter*20from*20Mark*20Hussey*27s*20VW--A*20to*20Z.pdf?dl=0__;JSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!mzaLMrmKKMquGnwJ43jTX3C_-CCbzx9cX01WUC_mIXewifXtB1yyguiA9H8jREoEodA$ Sorry for the poor quality of the photo. I think it is readable but it?s not entirely friendly. Vara From: Vwoolf on behalf of vwoolf listserve Reply-To: "Stuart N. Clarke" Date: Friday, April 1, 2022 at 10:41 AM To: vwoolf listserve Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Google Stats What about the ?Virginia Woolf Newsletter?? I know of the first 3 issues: Mar 1971, Nov 1971, Apr 1972. I only have no. 3. Stuart From too much love of living, From hope and fear set free, We thank with brief thanksgiving ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd What about the ?Virginia Woolf Newsletter?? I know of the first 3 issues: Mar 1971, Nov 1971, Apr 1972. I only have no. 3. Stuart >From too much love of living, >From hope and fear set free, We thank with brief thanksgiving Whatever gods may be That no life lives for ever; That dead men rise up never; That even the weariest river Winds somewhere safe to sea. (What a pity Spater & Parsons couldn?t quote this accurately on p. 188 ? ?love? not ?hope? in the first line) From: Jane deGay via Vwoolf Sent: Friday, April 1, 2022 3:29 PM To: Elisa Bolchi ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Google Stats Hello all Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hello all Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a seminar entitled ?The Uses of the Manuscripts in Virginia Woolf Studies? took place, bringing together 35 scholars. From this initial connection a newsletter, the Virginia Woolf Miscellany, was begun in 1973, and at the 1975 MLA Convention a steering committee was formed that laid the groundwork for the incorporation of the Virginia Woolf Society in 1976. In 1982 the Society began to contribute a portion of its dues to the publication of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany. By 1996 about a fourth of Society members were outside the United States, and recognition of this global scholarship led to the name being changed to the International Virginia Woolf Society in December of that year. International Virginia Woolf Society (Fonds 51) | Special Collections | Collections | E.J. Pratt Library (utoronto.ca) Best wishes Jane PS I don?t think that the accompanying photo is of Woolfians, but I could be wrong? ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Elisa Bolchi via Vwoolf Sent: 01 April 2022 15:12 To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! What Paula says about her post is interesting as well. Have a nice day! Elisa Elisa, Marielle was first to share the Google results; I just made the remark about the Google Doodle. I was wondering why there was such a spike for Jan 2018 and thought it might have been when the Italian VWS was founded, but that was around May 2017, wasn't it? Shame the figures don't go back as far as 1998, when the VWSGB was formed (beginnings of the internet), or 1976, for the IVWS (before widespread computer use). But let's not get into that or we could be here for some time . . . However, a minor point of interest is that about the same number of people access the VWSGB Facebook page from Italy as from the US, a slightly lower number (but not much) than from the UK. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety ________________________________ _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kllevenback at att.net Fri Apr 1 15:34:50 2022 From: kllevenback at att.net (Kllevenback) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 15:34:50 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats References: <9C5A6B32-1408-4798-B54A-0A2FBE6B4684.ref@att.net> Message-ID: <9C5A6B32-1408-4798-B54A-0A2FBE6B4684@att.net> Dear Jane? et al.? ??As I was entrusted with the documents leading up the founding of the Virginia Woolf Society (later the International was added to the name after my term as President was followed by that of Melba Cuddy- Keanu) and processed them, subsequently finding an archival home for the IVWS Collection at the University of Toronto. Since then I have given several papers at conferences on this archival collection and the hits history of the Society therein found and even transcribed a taped talk chaired by Eileen Barrett and Merry Pawlowski with Lucio Ruotolo, J.J. Wilson, and one other founding member of the Society, which they called an ?oral history.? During one of the conference I played a portion of one of the cassette tapes (there were three) which are included in the International Virginia Woolf Collection, along with my transcription. However, these conference papers must have been given before the organization of the Italian Virginia Woolf Society?but after the ones in Britain, France, and Japan. As Archival Liaison of the International Virginia Woolf Collection, I encourage you to check out the holdings there. If you need more information, contact me or Bailey Chui, the archivist charged with preserving our collection at bailey.chui at vicu.utoronto.ca. In all events, be safe?. Karen Levenback Sent from my iPad > On Apr 1, 2022, at 10:29 AM, Jane deGay via Vwoolf wrote: > ? > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > Hello all > > Quite by chance, I recently discovered the following potted history of the IVWS on the website of the E.J. Pratt Library, Toronto which now holds the IVWS archive: > > The Society traces its origins to the 1970 MLA Convention, when a seminar entitled ?The Uses of the Manuscripts in Virginia Woolf Studies? took place, bringing together 35 scholars. From this initial connection a newsletter, the Virginia Woolf Miscellany, was begun in 1973, and at the 1975 MLA Convention a steering committee was formed that laid the groundwork for the incorporation of the Virginia Woolf Society in 1976. In 1982 the Society began to contribute a portion of its dues to the publication of the Virginia Woolf Miscellany. By 1996 about a fourth of Society members were outside the United States, and recognition of this global scholarship led to the name being changed to the International Virginia Woolf Society in December of that year. > International Virginia Woolf Society (Fonds 51) | Special Collections | Collections | E.J. Pratt Library (utoronto.ca) > > Best wishes > Jane > > PS I don?t think that the accompanying photo is of Woolfians, but I could be wrong? ? > > From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Elisa Bolchi via Vwoolf > Sent: 01 April 2022 15:12 > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: [Vwoolf] Google Stats > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Yes Sarah, Marielle told me and I apologised for my misreading and misunderstanding. > And yes, you?re correct, the Italian Society was founded in February 2017, and it would be really interesting to have data going back to 1998 or 1976!!! > > What Paula says about her post is interesting as well. > > Have a nice day! > Elisa > > > Elisa, Marielle was first to share the Google results; I just made the remark about the Google Doodle. I was wondering why there was such a spike for Jan 2018 and thought it might have been when the Italian VWS was founded, but that was around May 2017, wasn't it? > > Shame the figures don't go back as far as 1998, when the VWSGB was formed (beginnings of the internet), or 1976, for the IVWS (before widespread computer use). But let's not get into that or we could be here for some time . . . > > However, a minor point of interest is that about the same number of people access the VWSGB Facebook page from Italy as from the US, a slightly lower number (but not much) than from the UK. > Sarah > > > Sarah M. Hall > Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB > Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk > Facebook: @VWSGB > Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB > Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety > > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpn12 at psu.edu Fri Apr 1 15:57:35 2022 From: jpn12 at psu.edu (Nesbitt, Jennifer P) Date: Fri, 1 Apr 2022 19:57:35 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] The Space Between V17 (2021) Published Message-ID: To Woolfians all, Volume 17 of The Space Between: Literature and Culture, 1914-1945 features articles that may interest members of the Woolf list... * World War I cartooning, * Spoon River Anthology and the New Poetry, * the work of Jean Rhys and Elma Napier, * Phyllis Bottome's novels and Depth Psychology, and * Elizabeth Bowen's queer Gothic. ...as well as reviews and reissues. The journal publishes interdisciplinary scholarship and promotes attention to texts of all kinds, especially lesser-known writers and understudied topics. We accept manuscripts on an ongoing basis and seek submissions for the 2023 general issue. Sincerely, Jen Dr. Jennifer Nesbitt Associate Professor of English, Penn State York Editor, The Space Between: Literature and Culture 1914-1945 Advisor and Program Coordinator in English, Penn State York Chair, Ad Hoc Committee on Course Sharing in the English Major, CC ORCID ID#: 0000-0001-6206-6863 She/her/hers Land Acknowledgement Statement: Penn State York sits on lands inhabited by the Susquehannock people, whose last members were decimated by the Paxton Boys in 1763 but whose descendants remain in the region. 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If having a culture dramatically changed overnight and having to come up with new ways to live, in every sphere of life, constitutes modernity, then those trafficked from Africa to the Caribbean faced their own experience of it. Jean Rhys was born and formed in the Caribbean, and in reinventing herself in Europe as a writer, crafted her own modern voice out of many strands of experience and understanding, particularly as a white writer growing up in a Black post-slavery society. This special issue of Feminist Modernist Studies invites papers that put Rhys in conversation with writers from the Caribbean, Europe, United States, Africa, and elsewhere. With a career extending from the 1920s to the 1970s, and from the Caribbean to Europe, Rhys offers insight into the feminized service work, precarity, ecological collapse, colonial legacies, and white supremacy that define our present moment. For this special issue, we welcome contributions focusing on Rhys in relation to other modernist and contemporary writers to explore the connections, generative gaps, and contemporary legacies within American, European, and Caribbean modernisms. Papers might address topics such as the reconsideration of the relationship of Rhys and: ? Left Bank modernists; ? contemporary Caribbean writers; ? other postcolonial/decolonial writers Please submit article proposals of 300 words by June 1, 2022 to Elaine Savory at savorye at newschool.eduand Laurel Harris at lharris at rider.edu. Final article drafts of 5,000 words will be due by September 1, 2022. Best to all, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society ? 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Hall) Date: Tue, 5 Apr 2022 10:34:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] May conference: British Psychoanalysis and the Bloomsbury Group References: <157077486.2832236.1649154847031.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <157077486.2832236.1649154847031@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, This short conference is available online as well as in person in London. Societies of Outsiders: British Psychoanalysis and the Bloomsbury Group Saturday 21?Sunday 22 May 2022 Sir David Davies LT (G08), Roberts Building, Torrington Place, London WC1E 7JE / Online UCL Psychoanalysis Unit is putting on a conference exploring the interplay between British psychoanalysis and the Bloomsbury Group. The programme includes papers on: Virginia Woolf and Marion Milner; Adrian and Karin Stephen; the creative process in D. H. Lawrence and Virginia Woolf; the role of the Stracheys in British psychoanalysis; Bloomsbury and psychoanalysis. Fees In-person attendance: Standard ?150, Concession ?100 Online attendance: Standard ?100, Concession ?60 For further information including registration, see the website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.ucl.ac.uk/psychoanalysis/events/2022/may/societies-outsiders-british-psychoanalysis-and-bloomsbury-group__;!!KGKeukY!mPtUpBg7BPzhtdacRsJKN8P13kAjERtogcSrPUsrMI3F_XiCXEhmuQywj_36A_C3rJ4$ Email: events.psychoanalysis at ucl.ac.uk Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Wed Apr 6 04:36:54 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 09:36:54 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flush Message-ID: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very young man and leapt after him to bring him back.?? Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? 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Clarke via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a > bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the > owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was > giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog > recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and > Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very > young man and leapt after him to bring him back.?? > > Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? (London: > John Murray, 1998), p. 183 > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a > production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character > of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I > had to borrow everything and I couldn?t ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report?Suspicious > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a > production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character > of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I > had to borrow everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play > Flush, I had to borrow a bloody great dog that could hardly go on the > sofa! On the Saturday the owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge > was playing the doctor, he was giving a touching performance at > Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog recognized its owner, leapt > over the footlights and into the stalls and Miles, playing an old man > at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very young man and leapt > after him to bring him back.?? > Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? (London: > John Murray, 1998), p. 183 > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf__;!!Dq0X2DkFhyF93HkjWTBQKhk!CpO1mIHQk_FsXUBmmncvN2vGhB7lRiy3Wn18Hl1y06kFjKAalKivILmBjbBuwxp39floYg$ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 6 07:42:58 2022 From: smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah M. Hall) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:42:58 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] Flush In-Reply-To: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> References: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> Message-ID: <420002413.3531370.1649245378741@mail.yahoo.com> People say pets are very rejuvenating. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Wednesday, 6 April 2022, 09:37:10 BST, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow everything and I couldn?tZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very young man and leapt after him to bring him back.???Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? 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Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Sarah M. Hall via Vwoolf Sent: Wednesday, April 6, 2022 7:42 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu ; Stuart N. Clarke Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Flush People say pets are very rejuvenating. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd People say pets are very rejuvenating. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Wednesday, 6 April 2022, 09:37:10 BST, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow everything and I couldn?t ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very young man and leapt after him to bring him back.?? Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? (London: John Murray, 1998), p. 183 _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From millsj7 at gmail.com Wed Apr 6 11:20:56 2022 From: millsj7 at gmail.com (Jean Mills) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 11:20:56 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flush In-Reply-To: References: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> <420002413.3531370.1649245378741@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes, needed that laugh! thx Stuart and all, Jean On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 11:16 AM Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > That theatrical disaster is absolutely hilarious. I've read the passage > twice for pure pleasure. Thank you for sharing it! Vara Neverow > (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies > Program ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > That theatrical disaster is absolutely hilarious. I've read the passage > twice for pure pleasure. Thank you for sharing it! > > Vara Neverow > (she/her/hers) > Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program > Editor, *Virginia Woolf Miscellany* > Southern Connecticut State University > New Haven, CT 06515 > 203-392-6717 > neverowv1 at southernct.edu > > *I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on > traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the > Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. * > > > *Recent Publications:* > > Lead editor, *Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources *(Bloomsbury, > 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume > One, 1975-1984, *Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources* (Bloomsbury, > 2020); Co-editor, *The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and > Contemporary Global Literature* (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, > Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Vwoolf on > behalf of Sarah M. Hall via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 6, 2022 7:42 AM > *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu ; Stuart N. Clarke < > stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] Flush > > People say pets are very rejuvenating. Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive > Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk > Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > People say pets are very rejuvenating. > > > Sarah > > Sarah M. Hall > Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB > Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk > Facebook: @VWSGB > Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB > Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety > > > > > > On Wednesday, 6 April 2022, 09:37:10 BST, Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a > bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the > owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was > giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog > recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and > Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very > young man and leapt after him to bring him back.?? > > Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? (London: > John Murray, 1998), p. 183 > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -- Jean Mills (she, her, hers) Associate Professor The Department of English John Jay College/CUNY 524 West 59th Street, Room 7.63.12 New York, NY 10019 Selected Publications: "Feminist Theory" in *The Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf*, ed. by Anne Fernald, Oxford University Press, 2021. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.oxfordhandbooks.com/view/10.1093/oxfordhb/9780198811589.001.0001/oxfordhb-9780198811589__;!!KGKeukY!g78kw_YfsWhZ9X_TV7HA-Q0DrhKjK2KxFBsePQnNnjR33ga5OML8yRK6xEq7IBAuWec$ *Nancy Cunard: Perfect Stranger *by Jane Marcus; Edited and with an Introduction and Afterword by Jean Mills. Clemson University Press, Fall, 2020 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://libraries.clemson.edu/press/books/nancy-cunard-perfect-stranger/__;!!KGKeukY!g78kw_YfsWhZ9X_TV7HA-Q0DrhKjK2KxFBsePQnNnjR33ga5OML8yRK6xEq7_5SVKCk$ "'With every nerve in my body I stand for peace': Jane Ellen Harrison and the Heresy of War" in *Reconsidering Peace and Patriotism during the First World War *(Palgrave/Macmillan, 2017) https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.palgrave.com/de/book/9783319513003__;!!KGKeukY!g78kw_YfsWhZ9X_TV7HA-Q0DrhKjK2KxFBsePQnNnjR33ga5OML8yRK6xEq76IveUA8$ *Virginia Woolf, Jane Ellen Harrison, and the Spirit of Modernist Classicism *(The Ohio State University Press, 2014) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://ohiostatepress.org/Books/Book*20Pages/Mills*20Virginia.html__;JSU!!KGKeukY!g78kw_YfsWhZ9X_TV7HA-Q0DrhKjK2KxFBsePQnNnjR33ga5OML8yRK6xEq7xQS1j74$ Associate Editor, *Feminist Modernist Studies* 212.237.8706 JEMILLS at JJAY.CUNY.EDU -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Fernald (she/her) Professor of English and Women's, Gender, and Sexuality Studies Special Advisor to the Provost for Faculty Development Coeditor, Modernism/modernity *The Norton Critical Edition of *Mrs. Dalloway *The Oxford Handbook to Virginia Woolf * fernald at fordham.edu *zoom office hours, Tuesday 2-3 and Friday 11:30-12:30 & by appt.* *zoom meeeting room link * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mc at clarior.net Wed Apr 6 16:41:21 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Wed, 6 Apr 2022 22:41:21 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Flush In-Reply-To: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> References: <56C79BCE17594DFFAE9284097E29AD12@StuartHP> Message-ID: Very funny indeed. The initial, evident mistake, however, was to have tried to embody Flush without recruiting a proper cocker spaniel! How?!? ?? Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Wed, Apr 6, 2022 at 10:37 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > ?... as Barbara Leslie found to her cost when she was ASM for a production > of ?The Barretts of Wimpole Street?, in which the character of Elizabeth > has a spaniel called Flush. ?As stage manager as well I had to borrow > everything and I couldn?t borrow a spaniel to play Flush, I had to borrow a > bloody great dog that could hardly go on the sofa! On the Saturday the > owner was in the audience and Miles Rudge was playing the doctor, he was > giving a touching performance at Elizabeth?s bedside and suddenly the dog > recognized its owner, leapt over the footlights and into the stalls and > Miles, playing an old man at the age of nineteen, suddenly became a very > young man and leapt after him to bring him back.?? > > Kate Dunn, ?Exit through he Fireplace: The Great Days of Rep? (London: > John Murray, 1998), p. 183 > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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And then one wonders about the reasons for her depression (etc.). For her dislike of sitting for photographs. For not smiling often enough. A good lesson, and a role-model, I thought, for all the "middle-aged" women who tend to feel sorry for themselves (as I tend to, sometimes!). Life in Europe in 1929 was not half as easy (for practical, health things such as dental care, for example!) as they would be now (even for far less "privileged" people). So the little sentence that you sent reminded me the following: when tempted to feel sorry for myself for small things - have a thought of a woman's life (even the "daughter of a very educated man") in 1929 or 1922, 1917 or 1918... or 1940, etc. Now Ukraine (or Afghanistan), April 2022. Another reason, I thought, to try to see the glass half full... Let me grab the rose-colored ? ? 3) Thank you again also Sarah, if I may, for sharing the quotation about Dorothy Richardson. Very interesting and worth pondering more. I meant to ask about "the *English sentence*" - about her "(*reinventing) the language*" (was it?) - or "the sentence"? (Maybe in a letter from Lytton?). Trying to make up my mind on what soft copy (Kindle or other) of the "Complete VW" to allow for live term searches of this kind... Maybe the answer will be found that way. So as you can tell, your choice of 2 quotations was very powerful and so apt that I felt the need to answer at length! Thank you in advance for your time reading. Not to worry otherwise, of course! Hope you all have a good rest of the week.? MC Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Translations Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Sarah M. Hall wrote: > Marie-Claire, > > It's likely that you'll receive numerous replies about this, making > different points, but to start the ball rolling: > > 2) Woolf frequently complains about her teeth in her Diary and Letters, > e.g. writing to Vanessa Bell, 18 May 1929: 'I've just had my last tooth > out; and they've put in what they call a transformation - temporary of > course - to last three months. Meanwhile my teeth fall out when I talk; > when I eat; when I telephone.' > > 3) Woolf herself credited Dorothy Richardson with the 'psychological > sentence of the feminine gender' (Romance of the Heart, Essays 3, p. 367). > > Sarah > > > Sarah M. Hall > Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB > Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk > Facebook: @VWSGB > Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB > Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety > > > > > > On Thursday, 31 March 2022, 11:15:54 BST, Marie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > > Thank you all for sharing this! It is always nice to see VW remembered, > not from a suicidal, death-spiral angle, but for the smiles & laughs too! > Please might any one be able to answer the following questions for me, as I > can't pinpoint ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Thank you all for sharing this! It is always nice to see VW remembered, > not from a suicidal, death-spiral angle, but for the smiles & laughs too! > > Please might any one be able to answer the following questions for me, as > I can't pinpoint these right now: > 1) that she hated to pause for photographs ("torture?"), hence the paucity > of samples; > 2) that she had *bad teeth*, hence did not want to smile on photographs > bec. she wanted to hide her teeth; > > 3) that she "*(re)invented the English language/(modern) sentence*" - or > something else to that effect? > (or is the latter only in my (wild) dreams/imagination)? > > Thank you - may you all be safe & well. ?? > > > > > Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie > > > > Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France > Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 > Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 > Email mc at clarior.net > > IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are > confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you > have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately > and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof. > Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this > e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. > > > On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:23 AM Juliette Mai via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > Hello, this link! > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/arts/virginia-woolf-nypl.html__;!!KGKeukY!keqzrokawVi0DBAHT1HzAgqDnczsdiKK_jfG3s9L1Qg3f1ZGhPlskqP35LX3pxZ-_ZI$ > > Virginia and Clive Bell laughing at the beach. Best regards Giulietta Mai > Il gio 31 mar 2022, 00:39 ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Hello, > > this link! > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/arts/virginia-woolf-nypl.html__;!!KGKeukY!keqzrokawVi0DBAHT1HzAgqDnczsdiKK_jfG3s9L1Qg3f1ZGhPlskqP35LX3pxZ-_ZI$ > > > Virginia and Clive Bell laughing at the beach. > Best regards > > Giulietta Mai > > > Il gio 31 mar 2022, 00:39 ha scritto: > > Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia Stephen at > Cambridge (Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:38:58 +0000 > From: "Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD" > To: Leslie Hankins , Virginia Woolf > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia > Stephen at Cambridge > Message-ID: > < > LO2P265MB5085F9E14452D94047D0FA3FB61F9 at LO2P265MB5085.GBRP265.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" > > Hi, > > It?s from the NPG. > > See: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait-list.php?search=sp&sText=Virginia*Woolf__;Kw!!KGKeukY!hOVY1eiRPg5oKR6BdqYs1e0U49C4LKfvsIA_n5VDpa7uLUr-7D-NDDR4eEE9jmx9g4I$ > > Warm wishes, > Marielle > > From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Leslie Hankins via Vwoolf > Sent: 30 March 2022 23:36 > To: Virginia Woolf > Subject: [Vwoolf] seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia Stephen at > Cambridge > > Hi all, actually I am desperately seeking pictures of VW laughing, from > anywhere!! I saw this one online, but it doesn't say where it is from. > Does anyone have a clue? it would be perfect for my purposes if it were not > such a pixilated ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Fus-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com*2FEWT*2Fv1*2FKGKeukY!vYQd06iujQpO4fa9FG0vmZSlZ5rO1rfm826E5w_8ZvZlaDYSUB0yx1hlvS42UJGsRH19HnOgFUz3CxAgkUX3TOLdVGtDLekSvOc6UWHE00IUOEPnKoLIT_qOneLhHTU*24&data=04*7C01*7Cm.oneill*40leedstrinity.ac.uk*7Cb80411d37cf44c39d91008da129dc1f2*7Cdf4c20ba64a84352b3f947881abbc09a*7C0*7C0*7C637842766029049438*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000&sdata=WhuY3GbEcnH3RWpaBQsnl0ZiBSiKEkCd4AUGg7mp8yY*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!hOVY1eiRPg5oKR6BdqYs1e0U49C4LKfvsIA_n5VDpa7uLUr-7D-NDDR4eEE99ZXJumo$ > > ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Hi all, actually I am desperately seeking pictures of VW laughing, from > anywhere!! > > I saw this one online, but it doesn't say where it is from. 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As you?ll see from our website, we have lined up four exciting plenary addresses by Beth Daugherty, Gretchen Holbrook Gerzina, Elsa H?gberg, and Peter Stansky. We will also celebrate the centennial of Jacob's Room and enjoy a theater performance created by Ellen McLaughlin and Kathleen Chalfant. It makes me particularly proud and happy that we have presenters from all over the globe at this year's conference. This provides us with a rare opportunity for rich international conversations around questions and texts we care deeply about. I am also very pleased that we have a large number of folks who have not presented at the conference before, including many early career scholars from around the world. To support the academic work of all, we are planning professional development programming centered around academic writing and publishing. This community continues to grow and strengthen, in numbers and in camaraderie. I am grateful for all of the support I have received over the years, and for the opportunity to help us extend it to the next generation of Woolf scholars. I look forward to seeing you in June. All my best, Amy Smith 2022 Woolf Conference Organizer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk Fri Apr 8 14:07:42 2022 From: smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah M. Hall) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 18:07:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] Virginia Woolf's teeth / Virginia Woolf's sentences In-Reply-To: References: <441975437.404950.1648726394533@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1299643024.5011376.1649441262659@mail.yahoo.com> Marie-Claire, As far as (2) goes, yes, VW was prone to exaggeration for comic effect, so a pinch of salt seems the right approach. By 'last tooth' she could of course mean the last tooth of X number that were slated for removal, rather than the last tooth of all. Having said that, in the 1920s there was a stream of medical thought that considered tooth extraction a treatment for physical and even mental illness. Hermione Lee writes about this in her intro to the Paris Press edition of On Being Ill. For (3) it sounds as though you are thinking of Lytton's letter to Leonard Woolf after the publication of Two Stories: 'The liquidity of the style fills me with envy: really someof the sentences! ? How on earth does she manage to make the English languagefloat and float?? (Quoted from Levy's edition of Lytton's letters, but I?vepencilled a note in my copy that ?the sentences? is ?those sentences? in theoriginal, so this may need checking.) Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Wednesday, 6 April 2022, 23:18:46 BST, Marie Claire Boisset wrote: Sarah: Thank you so much for getting back to me promptly the other day. Shame it took me so long to reply (and the ball did not start rolling ?). How to answer your wonderful, striking quotations in 2 lines? 2) this factual (tbc?) note gave me a shock... ?hence a few days before the following attempt at a proper answer: Even taken with a pinch of salt, it seems stunning that "Meanwhile (her)?teeth?(fell) out when (she) talked; when (she ate); when (she) telephone(d)"! ? ("Oh my!" - is the thought - or else: "wow", or: "Oh, Nooo!").Yet, she retained a reputation for beauty until much later, didn't she? But 1929 was certainly an early age for VW to lose all her teeth. And then one wonders about the reasons for her depression (etc.).?For her dislike of sitting for photographs. For not smiling often enough. A good lesson, and a role-model, I thought, for all the "middle-aged" women who tend to feel sorry for themselves (as I tend to, sometimes!).? Life in Europe in 1929 was not half as easy (for practical, health things such as dental care, for example!) as they would be now (even for far less "privileged"?people).? So the little sentence that you sent reminded?me the following: when?tempted to feel sorry for myself for small things - have a thought of a woman's life (even the "daughter of a very educated man") in 1929 or 1922, 1917 or 1918... or 1940, etc. Now Ukraine (or Afghanistan), April 2022. Another reason, I thought, to try to see the glass half full... Let me grab the rose-colored???? 3) Thank you again also Sarah, if I may, for sharing the quotation about Dorothy Richardson. Very interesting and worth pondering more.? I meant to ask about "the English sentence" - about her "(reinventing) the language" (was it?) - or "the sentence"? ?(Maybe in a letter from Lytton?). Trying to make up my?mind on what soft copy (Kindle or other) of the "Complete VW" to allow for live term?searches of this kind... Maybe the answer will be found that way. So as you can tell, your choice of 2 quotations was very?powerful and so apt that I felt the need to answer at length! Thank you in advance for your time reading. Not to worry otherwise, of course! Hope you all have a good rest of the week.? MC | | | | | Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie? Translations | | | | | | | | Address??2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France?? | | Phone??+33 (0)5 55 88 29 61? | | Mobile?? +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21? | | Email??mc at clarior.net? | | | | | | | IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof.? | | | | Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. | | | On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 1:32 PM Sarah M. Hall wrote: Marie-Claire, It's likely that you'll receive numerous replies about this, making different points, but to start the ball rolling: 2) Woolf frequently complains about her teeth in her Diary and Letters, e.g. writing to Vanessa Bell, 18 May 1929: 'I've just had my last tooth out; and they've put in what they call a transformation - temporary of course - to last three months. Meanwhile my teeth fall out when I talk; when I eat; when I telephone.' 3) Woolf herself credited Dorothy Richardson with the 'psychological sentence of the feminine gender' (Romance of the Heart, Essays 3, p. 367). Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Thursday, 31 March 2022, 11:15:54 BST, Marie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf wrote: Thank you all for sharing this! It is always nice to see VW remembered, not from a suicidal, death-spiral angle, but for the smiles & laughs too! Please might any one be able to answer the following questions for me, as I can't pinpointZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEndThank you all for sharing this!? It is always nice to see VW remembered, not from a suicidal, death-spiral angle, but for the smiles & laughs too! Please might any one be able to answer the following questions for me, as I can't pinpoint these right now:1) that she hated to pause for photographs ("torture?"), hence the paucity of samples;2) that she had bad teeth, hence did not want to smile on photographs bec. she wanted to hide her teeth; 3) that she "(re)invented the English language/(modern) sentence" - or something else to that effect??? ? ? (or is the?latter only in my (wild) dreams/imagination)?? Thank you - may you all be safe & well.??? | | | | | Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie? | | | | | | | | Address??2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France?? | | Phone??+33 (0)5 55 88 29 61? | | Mobile?? +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21? | | Email??mc at clarior.net? | | | | | | | IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. They are intended for the named recipient(s) only. If you have received this email by mistake, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to anyone or make copies thereof.? | | | | Please consider your environmental responsibility. Before printing this e-mail message, ask yourself whether you really need a hard copy. | | | On Thu, Mar 31, 2022 at 2:23 AM Juliette Mai via Vwoolf wrote: Hello, this link! https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/20/arts/virginia-woolf-nypl.html__;!!KGKeukY!nj6CdXDXQ8iVojI3s3zuf1SXO-fVeXfGuD7F5ifrUfHHKt-Vfpi-y7-9hAqmPpa9m-A$ Virginia and Clive Bell laughing at the beach. Best regards Giulietta Mai Il gio 31 mar 2022, 00:39 ha scritto: Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to ? ? ? ? vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ? ? ? ? https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ? ? ? ? vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at ? ? ? ? vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: ? ?1. Re: seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia Stephen? ? ?at ? ? ? Cambridge (Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2022 22:38:58 +0000 From: "Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD" To: Leslie Hankins , Virginia Woolf ? ? ? ? Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia ? ? ? ? Stephen at? ? ? Cambridge Message-ID: ? ? ? ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1256" Hi, It?s from the NPG. See: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.npg.org.uk/collections/search/portrait-list.php?search=sp&sText=Virginia*Woolf__;Kw!!KGKeukY!hOVY1eiRPg5oKR6BdqYs1e0U49C4LKfvsIA_n5VDpa7uLUr-7D-NDDR4eEE9jmx9g4I$ Warm wishes, Marielle From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Leslie Hankins via Vwoolf Sent: 30 March 2022 23:36 To: Virginia Woolf Subject: [Vwoolf] seeking high dpi pix of laughing Virginia Stephen at Cambridge Hi all, actually I am desperately seeking pictures of VW laughing, from anywhere!! I saw this one online, but it doesn't say where it is from.? Does anyone have a clue? it would be perfect for my purposes if it were not such a pixilated ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ? ? Report Suspicious? ? ?? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hi all, actually I am desperately seeking pictures of VW laughing, from anywhere!! I saw this one online, but it doesn't say where it is from.? Does anyone have a clue? it would be perfect for my purposes if it were not such a pixilated one. [cid:image001.jpg at 01D8448F.531A3C30] If you know of sources of any laughing Virginias, do share! best, Leslie -- Leslie Kathleen Hankins Professor, Chair Department of English & Creative Writing "No doubt we should be, on the whole, much worse off than we are without our astonishing gift for illusion." ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?Virginia Woolf, Jacob's Room Disclaimer The information contained in this communication from the sender is confidential. It is intended solely for use by the recipient and others authorized to receive it. If you are not the recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution or taking action in relation of the contents of this information is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Clarke) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 20:53:03 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Victor Emeljanow - obit Message-ID: <0986A000FC4F4F0A93A148AD773859F0@StuartHP> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! I never met Emeljanow, although I took a course with Margaret Williams (mentioned in the article) and I knew (although never spoke to) Robert Quentin (he *may* have addressed a remark to me once). It?s an entertaining obit, as well as giving an insight into the awfulness of academia. I particularly like: "His eyes narrowed, and his head fixed me like a chook marked for the Easter raffle." https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://dailyreview.com.au/victor-emeljanow/__;!!KGKeukY!hvio3mLRxG1oSypSG5BluxIya07VSVbSSHN_TbOJ_ri44oMAPnbvwVnAH78bitkh0yg$ Tenuous link to VW: No. 83 From her review of "The Cherry Orchard" in "Chekhov: The Critical Heritage", EMELJANOW, Victor (ed.), Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1981. (Quentin was particularly keen on Chekhov.) Stuart From neverowv1 at southernct.edu Fri Apr 8 19:55:04 2022 From: neverowv1 at southernct.edu (Neverow, Vara S.) Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2022 23:55:04 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Victor Emeljanow - obit In-Reply-To: <0986A000FC4F4F0A93A148AD773859F0@StuartHP> References: <0986A000FC4F4F0A93A148AD773859F0@StuartHP> Message-ID: Thank you for sharing this piece, Stuart. It evokes the very engaging personality of a gifted and brilliant individual. Vara Vara Neverow (she/her/hers) Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program Editor, Virginia Woolf Miscellany Southern Connecticut State University New Haven, CT 06515 203-392-6717 neverowv1 at southernct.edu I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. Recent Publications: Lead editor, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Kathryn Simpson, and Gill Lowe); Editor, Volume One, 1975-1984, Virginia Woolf: Critical and Primary Sources (Bloomsbury, 2020); Co-editor, The Edinburgh Companion to Virginia Woolf and Contemporary Global Literature (Edinburgh, 2020; with Jeanne Dubino, Paulina Paj?k, Catherine Hollis, and Celiese Lypka) ________________________________ From: Vwoolf on behalf of Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf Sent: Friday, April 8, 2022 3:53 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Victor Emeljanow - obit !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! I never met Emeljanow, although I took a course with Margaret Williams (mentioned in the article) and I knew (although never spoke to) Robert Quentin (he *may* have addressed a remark to me once). It?s an entertaining obit, as well as giving an insight into the awfulness of academia. I particularly like: "His eyes narrowed, and his head fixed me like a chook marked for the Easter raffle." https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2F*2Fdailyreview.com.au*2Fvictor-emeljanow*2F__*3B!!KGKeukY!hvio3mLRxG1oSypSG5BluxIya07VSVbSSHN_TbOJ_ri44oMAPnbvwVnAH78bitkh0yg*24&data=04*7C01*7Cneverowv1*40southernct.edu*7Ca31abcb7d9514ae5fa7008da19996bc0*7C58736863d60e40ce95c60723c7eaaf67*7C0*7C0*7C637850443978556988*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C3000&sdata=V*2Fy9hIOlwr4xwCGZmkQe77qqdf*2BRqyY4m5JfKl*2BmzDM*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!iVkjBBeWjrpTnlv-S6xZWHmdl0wuswSi1a8aKZQcZWi94MppbtmfaK3LZytrSc0uoH8$ Tenuous link to VW: No. 83 From her review of "The Cherry Orchard" in "Chekhov: The Critical Heritage", EMELJANOW, Victor (ed.), Routledge & Kegan Paul, 1981. (Quentin was particularly keen on Chekhov.) 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URL: From keczarnecki at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 08:10:12 2022 From: keczarnecki at gmail.com (Kristin Czarnecki) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 08:10:12 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Gallery of Clouds a book by Rachel Eisendrath Message-ID: <903F00A9-F9D4-49E5-9945-8B70AC71A7FB@gmail.com> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Happy Saturday! Perhaps of interest: a Woolf-influenced hybrid work of memoir, poetry, and criticism. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bookshop.org/books/gallery-of-clouds/9781681375434__;!!KGKeukY!iFCDFzXFdgP333LplIEKhJa8a4EePx2NEVkjoBUM2_PayrtkK7UuU4JJPiFdSO5FrDk$ Cheers, Kristin Sent from my iPad From keczarnecki at gmail.com Sat Apr 9 09:40:54 2022 From: keczarnecki at gmail.com (Kristin Czarnecki) Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2022 09:40:54 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Books of Interest Message-ID: Good morning, I don't think these have been mentioned on the listserv: a new hybrid work of memoir, poetry, history, and literary criticism with Woolf as a key figure: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://bookshop.org/books/gallery-of-clouds/9781681375434__;!!KGKeukY!j3X4DirbAq8W3S4RlEl0JMloonm-tLx5kq2vRXRkqe2FZDlxp3uwCaf8VmDaByDEgjc$ And an upcoming graphic biography of Woolf: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.thebookseller.com/rights/wn-wins-bucknalls-captivating-graphic-virginia-woolf-biography-in-three-way-auction__;!!KGKeukY!j3X4DirbAq8W3S4RlEl0JMloonm-tLx5kq2vRXRkqe2FZDlxp3uwCaf8VmDaJSeX2f4$ Cheers, Kristin -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: Dear friends, I am pleased to announce that you may now register to attend the 31st Annual International Conference on Virginia Woolf at https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.lamar.edu/woolf__;!!KGKeukY!hpOeCVJXWfwKiCm_4DbFJDSzJ6t2GNOhoImIH95wWVHtLkTwBEDCz8BsLH0gI1PHWqQ$ . If you are a presenter, please use the "presenter registration" button on the registration page. If you will not be presenting, you may register for single days or purchase a four-day pass by clicking on the "non-presenting attendee" button. The rest of the website, which will inform you about the features of this year's conference, is still under production (coming soon!). To give you a bit of a teaser, we have lined up four exciting plenary addresses by Beth Daugherty, Gretchen Holbrook Gerzina, Elsa H?gberg, and Peter Stansky. We will also celebrate the centennial of Jacob's Room and enjoy a theater performance created by Ellen McLaughlin and Kathleen Chalfant. It makes me particularly proud and happy that we have presenters from all over the globe at this year's conference. This provides us with a rare opportunity for rich international conversations around questions and texts we care deeply about. I am also very pleased that we have a large number of folks who have never presented at the conference before, including many early career scholars from around the world. And, for all our attendees, we will have professional development programming centered around academic writing and publishing. This community continues to grow and strengthen, in numbers and in camaraderie. I am grateful for all of the support I have received over the years, and for the opportunity to help us extend it to the next generation of Woolf scholars. I look forward to seeing you in June. 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I was waiting to see how my post-op recovery went before scheduling our semi-regular, monthly Woolf social drop-in. Happily, I am already off pain meds, and so feel I can easily host. I've set the meeting for Friday, April 15, at the usual time: 11:00AM PST west coast; that's 2:00 PM for those on the East Coast of USA, and 7:00 PM for London. Best Wishes-- looking forward to seeing you. Elisa Elisa Sparks is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 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URL: From kllevenback at att.net Mon Apr 11 13:43:05 2022 From: kllevenback at att.net (Kllevenback) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 13:43:05 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Fwd: Plaque pledge References: <0A87294D-8FC1-4338-96E2-5E505268E260@att.net> Message-ID: <7E5458E9-2D59-41F6-AF7B-7A0D3149DD4F@att.net> Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Kllevenback > Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT > To: Erica Delsandro > Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" , International Virginia Woolf Society , Amanda Golden , AnneMarie Bantzinger , Benjamin Hagen , Catherine Hollis , Elizabeth Evans , "Emily M. Hinnov" , Marcia James , Patricia Laurence , Susan Wegener , Vara Neverow > Subject: Re: Plaque pledge > > ? > ?Dear Erin, et al.? > > I can certainly pledge $500?will someone send me the PayPal link? > > With thanks? > Karen Levenback > > > > Sent from my iPad > >>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Erica Delsandro wrote: >>> >> ? >> Erin, I love this plan! If we can match the VWSGB's donation, that will certainly help. And if we blast the membership with the link and fundraising info, then the U.S. Woolfians will have shown up in good form. >> >>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Kingsley, Erin wrote: >>> Ben: >>> >>> >>> >>> The Talland House plaque is a worthy goal in my view! It looks like they still need ?1,775, or roughly $2,314. >>> >>> >>> >>> The IVWS has $21,910 in Paypal as of today. What if the IVWS matched the VWSGB donation and gave $652 (leaving $1,662 left to fundraise), and emailed all members requesting they donate $10/each? There are 303 active members of IVWS. If only half of them donate, that would be $1500 in donations, leaving St Ives just $162 short of their goal. >>> >>> >>> >>> I know reality won?t match this math, but it?s a suggested path forward with only 51 days to spare. >>> >>> >>> >>> Warmly, >>> >>> Erin >>> >>> >>> >>> _____________________________________ >>> >>> Erin Kingsley, Ph.D. >>> >>> Associate Professor of English >>> >>> College of Arts and Sciences >>> >>> King University >>> >>> 1350 King College Road >>> >>> Bristol, TN 37620 >>> >>> (O) 423.652.4828 | (C) 303.332.2518 >>> >>> 800.362.0014 >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.king.edu__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cDTcNVhSA$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> From: International Virginia Woolf Society >>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 11:06 AM >>> To: Amanda Golden ; AnneMarie Bantzinger ; Benjamin Hagen ; Catherine Hollis ; Elizabeth Evans ; Emily M. Hinnov ; Erica Delsandro ; Kingsley, Erin ; Karen L. Levenback ; Marcia James ; Patricia Laurence ; Susan Wegener ; Vara Neverow >>> Subject: Fwd: FW: Plaque >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear IVWS Officers and Members-at-Large, >>> >>> >>> >>> I hope this email finds you well. If you're interested in viewing last Friday's Zoom event featuring Anne Fernald and the contributors to The Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf, you can watch the Zoom recording here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/9p_pXaaGico__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cDh-I-aBI$ . >>> >>> >>> >>> To business: I'm forwarding an email from Maggie Humm re: the Talland House plaque (which you may have heard about via the listserv or social media). See information below. Maggie has asked the IVWS to consider donating funds toward this project. I fully support a donation, but I want to hear from you about [1] whether you also support an IVWS donation to this cause and [2] how much we can/should/are allowed to (?) donate. I'm also happy to brainstorm other ways to ensure that funds get raised in time to get that blue plaque on Talland House. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let me know what you think! >>> >>> >>> >>> All best, >>> >>> Ben >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>> From: Maggie Humm >>> >>> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:00 AM >>> >>> To: Hagen, Benjamin D >>> >>> Subject: Plaque >>> >>> >>> >>> Dear Ben >>> >>> >>> >>> Lovely celebration on Friday of the Oxford Handbook! >>> >>> >>> >>> The plaque to Woolf was mentioned approvingly in the Zoom. >>> >>> >>> >>> As you know, the plaque for Talland House is fundraising: >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cDOV9JSFE$ >>> >>> >>> >>> I circulated the WoolfList, the Italian Woolf Society and French Etudes Woolfiennes. >>> >>> >>> >>> The VWSGB pledged ?500 (which I did on behalf of the VWSGB) >>> >>> >>> >>> We have only 52 days to reach the target. >>> >>> If the target is not reached the plaque will not be made/mounted. >>> >>> >>> >>> Would the IVWS Executive consider making a donation? >>> >>> >>> >>> I would be very grateful if you could consider this. >>> >>> It?s been such a long battle to get this far! >>> >>> >>> >>> Maggie >>> >>> >>> >>> Emeritus Professor Maggie Humm >>> >>> Executive member, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cD0m519WQ$ >>> >>> Author of Talland House https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://amzn.to/2UJZ7zF__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cD981Xh80$ 2021 Next Generation Indie Book Awards Finalist in Historical (Fiction - Post 1900s)/2021 Eric Hoffer Award Grand Prize Short List >>> >>> Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.maggiehumm.net/__;!!KGKeukY!l1y2lODbXNd2rGGsQp80CEsurR4go8RtC7I5FAW_xcCkxUP_vbrc2Zp6f-cDIMtfklk$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The information transmitted in this e-mail and its contents is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. If you are not the intended addressee you are prohibited from storing, copying or using the information in any way. This email has been checked for viruses and malware but no liability is accepted by UEL for any damage caused by any virus or malware that may be transmitted by this email. >>> >>> ***** This email originated outside of King University. Before clicking any links or opening any attachments verify you know and trust the sender****'; >>> >> >> >> -- >> EGD >> she/her/hers >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 7970 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 4702 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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To learn more about the Talland House Plaque fundraising, visit this site (which Maggie Humm has already shared with many of us): https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!mdVfbhlKNdFaPIKg37RLdMj1OEVK4-WWe2SPL4mLX5GCpxLp94EC5fL8IDBQL8o4Mxo$ . Let?s do what we can to see this long and hard-fought project through! All best, Ben ? Benjamin D. Hagen, Ph.D. (he/him/his) Associate Professor | Dept of English | University of South Dakota Author | The Sensuous Pedagogies of Virginia Woolf and D.H. Lawrence Editor | Woolf Studies Annual President | International Virginia Woolf Society ? I acknowledge that the University of South Dakota is on indigenous territory. This land is the traditional territory of Dakota, Lakota, Umonhon, Ponca, Otoe, and Ioway nations. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mc at clarior.net Mon Apr 11 16:19:18 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:19:18 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Fwd: Plaque pledge In-Reply-To: <7E5458E9-2D59-41F6-AF7B-7A0D3149DD4F@att.net> References: <7E5458E9-2D59-41F6-AF7B-7A0D3149DD4F@att.net> Message-ID: Awesome ? just pledged too! ? Thank you!?? Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 Email mc at clarior.net > Le 11 avr. 2022 ? 19:43, Kllevenback via Vwoolf a ?crit : > > ? > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > >> From: Kllevenback >> Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT >> To: Erica Delsandro >> Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" , International Virginia Woolf Society , Amanda Golden , AnneMarie Bantzinger , Benjamin Hagen , Catherine Hollis , Elizabeth Evans , "Emily M. Hinnov" , Marcia James , Patricia Laurence , Susan Wegener , Vara Neverow >> Subject: Re: Plaque pledge >> >> ? >> ?Dear Erin, et al.? >> >> I can certainly pledge $500?will someone send me the PayPal link? >> >> With thanks? >> Karen Levenback >> >> >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>>> On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Erica Delsandro wrote: >>>> >>> ? >>> Erin, I love this plan! If we can match the VWSGB's donation, that will certainly help. And if we blast the membership with the link and fundraising info, then the U.S. Woolfians will have shown up in good form. >>> >>>> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Kingsley, Erin wrote: >>>> Ben: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The Talland House plaque is a worthy goal in my view! It looks like they still need ?1,775, or roughly $2,314. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The IVWS has $21,910 in Paypal as of today. What if the IVWS matched the VWSGB donation and gave $652 (leaving $1,662 left to fundraise), and emailed all members requesting they donate $10/each? There are 303 active members of IVWS. If only half of them donate, that would be $1500 in donations, leaving St Ives just $162 short of their goal. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I know reality won?t match this math, but it?s a suggested path forward with only 51 days to spare. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Warmly, >>>> >>>> Erin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____________________________________ >>>> >>>> Erin Kingsley, Ph.D. >>>> >>>> Associate Professor of English >>>> >>>> College of Arts and Sciences >>>> >>>> King University >>>> >>>> 1350 King College Road >>>> >>>> Bristol, TN 37620 >>>> >>>> (O) 423.652.4828 | (C) 303.332.2518 >>>> >>>> 800.362.0014 >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.king.edu__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-3gkBNEA$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> From: International Virginia Woolf Society >>>> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 11:06 AM >>>> To: Amanda Golden ; AnneMarie Bantzinger ; Benjamin Hagen ; Catherine Hollis ; Elizabeth Evans ; Emily M. Hinnov ; Erica Delsandro ; Kingsley, Erin ; Karen L. Levenback ; Marcia James ; Patricia Laurence ; Susan Wegener ; Vara Neverow >>>> Subject: Fwd: FW: Plaque >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear IVWS Officers and Members-at-Large, >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope this email finds you well. If you're interested in viewing last Friday's Zoom event featuring Anne Fernald and the contributors to The Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf, you can watch the Zoom recording here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/9p_pXaaGico__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-VXz5nH4$ . >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To business: I'm forwarding an email from Maggie Humm re: the Talland House plaque (which you may have heard about via the listserv or social media). See information below. Maggie has asked the IVWS to consider donating funds toward this project. I fully support a donation, but I want to hear from you about [1] whether you also support an IVWS donation to this cause and [2] how much we can/should/are allowed to (?) donate. I'm also happy to brainstorm other ways to ensure that funds get raised in time to get that blue plaque on Talland House. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let me know what you think! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> All best, >>>> >>>> Ben >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>> From: Maggie Humm >>>> >>>> Date: Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:00 AM >>>> >>>> To: Hagen, Benjamin D >>>> >>>> Subject: Plaque >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Dear Ben >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Lovely celebration on Friday of the Oxford Handbook! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The plaque to Woolf was mentioned approvingly in the Zoom. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> As you know, the plaque for Talland House is fundraising: >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-I1zpzII$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I circulated the WoolfList, the Italian Woolf Society and French Etudes Woolfiennes. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The VWSGB pledged ?500 (which I did on behalf of the VWSGB) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> We have only 52 days to reach the target. >>>> >>>> If the target is not reached the plaque will not be made/mounted. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Would the IVWS Executive consider making a donation? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I would be very grateful if you could consider this. >>>> >>>> It?s been such a long battle to get this far! >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Maggie >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Emeritus Professor Maggie Humm >>>> >>>> Executive member, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-ypwFHaA$ >>>> >>>> Author of Talland House https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://amzn.to/2UJZ7zF__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-u8pcDPg$ 2021 Next Generation Indie Book Awards Finalist in Historical (Fiction - Post 1900s)/2021 Eric Hoffer Award Grand Prize Short List >>>> >>>> Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.maggiehumm.net/__;!!KGKeukY!hYnBW8UvWoZ9WNoI-kh70vZkw8sjvajdYCajPT3H91D2y9_ChesV16ni1-L-ysZfKC8$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The information transmitted in this e-mail and its contents is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Awesome ? just pledged too! ? Thank you!?? Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie [https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://cdn.gifo.wisestamp.com/social/linkedin/0077b5/48/0.png__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtuecGMBTU$ ] Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 Email mc at clarior.net Le 11 avr. 2022 ? 19:43, Kllevenback via Vwoolf > a ?crit : ? Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Kllevenback > Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT To: Erica Delsandro > Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" >, International ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Kllevenback > Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT To: Erica Delsandro > Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" >, International Virginia Woolf Society >, Amanda Golden >, AnneMarie Bantzinger >, Benjamin Hagen >, Catherine Hollis >, Elizabeth Evans >, "Emily M. Hinnov" >, Marcia James >, Patricia Laurence >, Susan Wegener >, Vara Neverow > Subject: Re: Plaque pledge ? ?Dear Erin, et al.? I can certainly pledge $500?will someone send me the PayPal link? With thanks? Karen Levenback Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Erica Delsandro > wrote: ? Erin, I love this plan! If we can match the VWSGB's donation, that will certainly help. And if we blast the membership with the link and fundraising info, then the U.S. Woolfians will have shown up in good form. On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Kingsley, Erin > wrote: Ben: The Talland House plaque is a worthy goal in my view! It looks like they still need ?1,775, or roughly $2,314. The IVWS has $21,910 in Paypal as of today. What if the IVWS matched the VWSGB donation and gave $652 (leaving $1,662 left to fundraise), and emailed all members requesting they donate $10/each? There are 303 active members of IVWS. If only half of them donate, that would be $1500 in donations, leaving St Ives just $162 short of their goal. I know reality won?t match this math, but it?s a suggested path forward with only 51 days to spare. Warmly, Erin _____________________________________ Erin Kingsley, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English College of Arts and Sciences King University 1350 King College Road Bristol, TN 37620 (O) 423.652.4828 | (C) 303.332.2518 800.362.0014 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.king.edu__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtuWlp9er4$ [image001.png] From: International Virginia Woolf Society > Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 11:06 AM To: Amanda Golden >; AnneMarie Bantzinger >; Benjamin Hagen >; Catherine Hollis >; Elizabeth Evans >; Emily M. Hinnov >; Erica Delsandro >; Kingsley, Erin >; Karen L. Levenback >; Marcia James >; Patricia Laurence >; Susan Wegener >; Vara Neverow > Subject: Fwd: FW: Plaque Dear IVWS Officers and Members-at-Large, I hope this email finds you well. If you're interested in viewing last Friday's Zoom event featuring Anne Fernald and the contributors to The Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf, you can watch the Zoom recording here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/9p_pXaaGico__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtu04cjfuA$ . To business: I'm forwarding an email from Maggie Humm re: the Talland House plaque (which you may have heard about via the listserv or social media). See information below. Maggie has asked the IVWS to consider donating funds toward this project. I fully support a donation, but I want to hear from you about [1] whether you also support an IVWS donation to this cause and [2] how much we can/should/are allowed to (?) donate. I'm also happy to brainstorm other ways to ensure that funds get raised in time to get that blue plaque on Talland House. Let me know what you think! All best, Ben ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Maggie Humm > Date: Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:00 AM To: Hagen, Benjamin D > Subject: Plaque Dear Ben Lovely celebration on Friday of the Oxford Handbook! The plaque to Woolf was mentioned approvingly in the Zoom. As you know, the plaque for Talland House is fundraising: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZturgIV-mc$ I circulated the WoolfList, the Italian Woolf Society and French Etudes Woolfiennes. The VWSGB pledged ?500 (which I did on behalf of the VWSGB) We have only 52 days to reach the target. If the target is not reached the plaque will not be made/mounted. Would the IVWS Executive consider making a donation? I would be very grateful if you could consider this. It?s been such a long battle to get this far! Maggie Emeritus Professor Maggie Humm Executive member, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtudXBBH0E$ Author of Talland House https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://amzn.to/2UJZ7zF__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtuTVGdH6Y$ 2021 Next Generation Indie Book Awards Finalist in Historical (Fiction - Post 1900s)/2021 Eric Hoffer Award Grand Prize Short List Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.maggiehumm.net/__;!!KGKeukY!mlj6lQyyRhpPkTFknLTnvfqlX8rqUp3W3mq7sf3NgABvq1rFYCEa82pRRZtuz9mSxWA$ [image002.png] [image003.jpg] [image004.jpg] [image005.jpg] [image006.jpg] The information transmitted in this e-mail and its contents is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. 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Lorienne Virus-free. https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.avast.com__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtC4mR0K4$ <#DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 10:43 AM Kllevenback via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Kllevenback < > kllevenback at att.net> Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT To: Erica > Delsandro Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" < > ekingsley at king.edu>, International ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > Sent from my iPad > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* Kllevenback > *Date:* April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT > *To:* Erica Delsandro > *Cc:* "Kingsley, Erin" , International Virginia Woolf > Society , Amanda Golden , > AnneMarie Bantzinger , Benjamin Hagen < > benjamin.hagen at usd.edu>, Catherine Hollis , > Elizabeth Evans , "Emily M. Hinnov" , > Marcia James , Patricia Laurence < > pat.laurence at gmail.com>, Susan Wegener , Vara > Neverow > *Subject:* *Re: Plaque pledge* > > ? > ?Dear Erin, et al.? > > I can certainly pledge $500?will someone send me the PayPal link? > > With thanks? > Karen Levenback > > > > Sent from my iPad > > On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Erica Delsandro > wrote: > > ? > Erin, I love this plan! If we can match the VWSGB's donation, that will > certainly help. And if we blast the membership with the link and > fundraising info, then the U.S. Woolfians will have shown up in good form. > > On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Kingsley, Erin > wrote: > >> Ben: >> >> >> >> The Talland House plaque is a worthy goal in my view! It looks like they >> still need ?1,775, or roughly $2,314. >> >> >> >> The IVWS has $21,910 in Paypal as of today. What if the IVWS matched the >> VWSGB donation and gave $652 (leaving $1,662 left to fundraise), and >> emailed all members requesting they donate $10/each? There are 303 active >> members of IVWS. If only half of them donate, that would be $1500 in >> donations, leaving St Ives just $162 short of their goal. >> >> >> >> I know reality won?t match this math, but it?s a suggested path forward >> with only 51 days to spare. >> >> >> >> Warmly, >> >> Erin >> >> >> >> _____________________________________ >> >> Erin Kingsley, Ph.D. >> >> Associate Professor of English >> >> College of Arts and Sciences >> >> King University >> >> 1350 King College Road >> >> Bristol, TN 37620 >> >> (O) 423.652.4828 | (C) 303.332.2518 >> >> 800.362.0014 >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.king.edu__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtBj0iSg0$ >> >> >> [image: image001.png] >> >> >> >> >> >> *From:* International Virginia Woolf Society >> *Sent:* Monday, April 11, 2022 11:06 AM >> *To:* Amanda Golden ; AnneMarie Bantzinger < >> ambantzinger at hotmail.com>; Benjamin Hagen ; >> Catherine Hollis ; Elizabeth Evans < >> evansef at gmail.com>; Emily M. Hinnov ; Erica >> Delsandro ; Kingsley, Erin ; >> Karen L. Levenback ; Marcia James < >> marciahalstead at aol.com>; Patricia Laurence ; >> Susan Wegener ; Vara Neverow < >> neverowv1 at southernct.edu> >> *Subject:* Fwd: FW: Plaque >> >> >> >> Dear IVWS Officers and Members-at-Large, >> >> >> >> I hope this email finds you well. If you're interested in viewing last >> Friday's Zoom event featuring Anne Fernald and the contributors to *The >> Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf*, you can watch the Zoom recording >> here: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/9p_pXaaGico__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtKcL0egw$ >> >> . >> >> >> >> To business: I'm forwarding an email from Maggie Humm re: the Talland >> House plaque (which you may have heard about via the listserv or social >> media). See information below. Maggie has asked the IVWS to consider >> donating funds toward this project. I fully support a donation, but I want >> to hear from you about [1] whether you also support an IVWS donation to >> this cause and [2] how much we can/should/are allowed to (?) donate. I'm >> also happy to brainstorm other ways to ensure that funds get raised in time >> to get that blue plaque on Talland House. >> >> >> >> Let me know what you think! >> >> >> >> All best, >> >> Ben >> >> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >> *From: *Maggie Humm >> >> *Date: *Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:00 AM >> >> *To: *Hagen, Benjamin D >> >> *Subject: *Plaque >> >> >> >> Dear Ben >> >> >> >> Lovely celebration on Friday of the Oxford Handbook! >> >> >> >> The plaque to Woolf was mentioned approvingly in the Zoom. >> >> >> >> As you know, the plaque for Talland House is fundraising: >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtHsFlDig$ >> >> >> >> >> I circulated the WoolfList, the Italian Woolf Society and French Etudes >> Woolfiennes. >> >> >> >> The VWSGB pledged ?500 (which I did on behalf of the VWSGB) >> >> >> >> We have only 52 days to reach the target. >> >> If the target is not reached the plaque will not be made/mounted. >> >> >> >> Would the IVWS Executive consider making a donation? >> >> >> >> I would be very grateful if you could consider this. >> >> It?s been such a long battle to get this far! >> >> >> >> Maggie >> >> >> >> Emeritus Professor Maggie Humm >> >> Executive member, *Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain*: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtn2jceK4$ >> >> >> Author of *Talland House *https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://amzn.to/2UJZ7zF__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtusk5aS4$ >> 2021 >> Next Generation Indie Book Awards Finalist in Historical (Fiction - Post >> 1900s)/2021 Eric Hoffer Award Grand Prize Short List >> >> Website: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.maggiehumm.net/__;!!KGKeukY!jCtftoILgkMxetJ7O47DvXboTraZ8dNYs_11i1h9prx0R-Lwbe8YGwFCfSPtjqbXv8k$ >> >> >> >> >> >> >> [image: image002.png] >> >> [image: image003.jpg] >> >> >> [image: image004.jpg] >> >> >> [image: image005.jpg] >> >> >> [image: image006.jpg] >> >> >> >> The information transmitted in this e-mail and its contents is intended >> only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain >> confidential and/or privileged material. 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Name: image006.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 584 bytes Desc: not available URL: From akeane at umich.edu Mon Apr 11 22:39:24 2022 From: akeane at umich.edu (Alice Keane) Date: Mon, 11 Apr 2022 22:39:24 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] Google alerts on The Fendi Set: From Bloomsbury to Borghese: A Literary Exploration of the Bloomsbury Group and Kim Jones In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Now *Architectural Digest *is weighing in, too...and suggesting a broader revival: "Jones is not alone. In the design world, many fresh faces (most of them Brits) are now channeling Bloomsbury irreverence into their projects." https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.architecturaldigest.com/story/the-bloomsbury-group-and-its-painterly-mishmashed-aesthetic-is-making-a-comeback__;!!KGKeukY!nl9kxI0e0mV-rCM0qBXqTD4RLSE5oT-Q1bR0lfeyy7ufLJGQHTx66Z6Kl4XWn9APUEo$ Cheers, Alice Alice D. Keane Adjunct Assistant Professor Department of English Queens College, CUNY Alice.Keane at qc.cuny.edu On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 3:11 PM Neverow, Vara S. via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > Greetings, Google has alerted me....so I am sharing what was sent. Please > note that some of these sources on The Fendi Set may have already been > shared on the Woolf listserv. Best, Vara ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Greetings, > > Google has alerted me....so I am sharing what was sent. Please note that some > of these sources on *The Fendi Set* may have already been shared on the > Woolf listserv. > > Best, > > Vara > > > - 'The Fendi Set: From *Bloomsbury* to Borghese': An Literary > Exploration of the ... - V Magazine > > V Magazine > Figures such as *Virginia Woolf*, Duncan Grant, and Vanessa Bell, > found themselves creating the works that formed this collective. > - Kim Jones' First Year at Fendi Gets the Book Treatment - Paper > Magazine > > Paper Magazine > ... as *Virginia Woolf* (whose novel Orlando was a focal inspiration > for Fendi Spring 2021 couture) and Clive Bell. The original > *Bloomsbury* content, ... > - Fendi Releases Photography Book 'The Fendi Set' ? Kim Jones Nikolai > von Bismarck > > L'OFFICIEL USA > 'The Fendi Set' Follows Kim Jones' Fascination With the *Bloomsbury* ... > Duncan Grant, and Roger Fry and writers Clive Bell and *Virginia Woolf* > , ... > - Kim Jones' 'The Fendi Set' Book Explores the Intersection Between > Fendi and *Bloomsbury* > > CR Fashion Book > Lewes is quite bohemian, and the *Bloomsbury* Group and *Virginia > Woolf* were often discussed within my group of friends.?. > - > > Kim Jones' 'The Fendi Set' Book Is 'Love Letter' to Influential > *Bloomsbury* Group - Complex > > Complex > As previously teased in January surrounding *Bloomsbury*-associated > writer *Virginia Woolf's* birthday, the book features text from Jones > and photos ... > > > > Vara Neverow > (she/her/hers) > Professor, English Department and Women's and Gender Studies Program > Managing Editor, *Virginia Woolf Miscellany* > Southern Connecticut State University > New Haven, CT 06515 > 203-392-6717 > neverowv1 at southernct.edu > > *I acknowledge that Southern Connecticut State University was built on > traditional territory of the indigenous peoples and nations of the > Paugussett and Quinnipiac peoples. * > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From peteradkins349 at gmail.com Tue Apr 12 09:58:41 2022 From: peteradkins349 at gmail.com (Peter Adkins) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 14:58:41 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism In-Reply-To: <001801d84e74$dca62b00$95f28100$@verizon.net> References: <001801d84e74$dca62b00$95f28100$@verizon.net> Message-ID: Thank you, Mark! That makes much more sense now. On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:54, wrote: > I can?t answer the question about who was or was not a vegetarian, but > Woolf would never have referred to Saxon S-T as Sydney: it is Sydney > Waterlow whom she?s talking about here. > > > > *From:* Vwoolf *On Behalf Of *Peter Adkins > via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:49 AM > *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism > > > > Dear Woolfians, In June 1923, VW writes in her diary (with her usual > snark): ?I cant help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally > weak; gullible; & now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. > And he?s a vegetarian. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > * Report Suspicious * > ? > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Dear Woolfians, > > > > In June 1923, VW writes in her diary (with her usual snark): ?I cant > help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally weak; gullible; & > now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. And he?s a > vegetarian. Such a simplification, he said. But if I saw you every day for > a week I could tell you what has been happening to me. Vegetarianism is > part of a whole revolution?Don?t I know it without being told.? > > > > Does anyone know if Sydney-Turner was a life-long vegetarian or if it was > just a phase? Were any of the other Bloomsbury group vegetarians? (I know > that Clive Bell thought that Shaw needed a good beef steak, so I am > assuming not). Any thoughts or insights or suggestions would be > appreciated! > > > Best wishes, > > Peter > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danelljones at bresnan.net Tue Apr 12 10:04:01 2022 From: danelljones at bresnan.net (Danell Jones) Date: Tue, 12 Apr 2022 08:04:01 -0600 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism In-Reply-To: References: <001801d84e74$dca62b00$95f28100$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <3fda9mrgau-1@m0130870.ppops.net> Although Bloomsbury-adjacent, of course, I believe that Rupert Brooke was also vegetarian. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Peter Adkins via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 7:59 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism Thank you, Mark! That makes much more sense now. On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:54, wrote: I can?t answer the question about who was or was not a vegetarian, but Woolf would never have referred to Saxon S-T as Sydney: ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ????Report?Suspicious????? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Thank you, Mark! That makes much more sense now.? On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:54, wrote: I can?t answer the question about who was or was not a vegetarian, but Woolf would never have referred to Saxon S-T as Sydney: it is Sydney Waterlow whom she?s talking about here. ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Peter Adkins via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:49 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism ? Dear Woolfians, In June 1923, VW writes in her diary (with her usual snark): ?I cant help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally weak; gullible; & now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. And he?s a vegetarian. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ????Report?Suspicious????? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Dear Woolfians, ? In June 1923, VW writes??in her diary (with her usual snark):???I cant help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally weak; gullible; & now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. And he?s a vegetarian. Such a simplification, he said. But if I saw you every day for a week I could tell you what has been happening to me. Vegetarianism is part of a whole revolution?Don?t I know it without being told.? ? Does anyone know if Sydney-Turner was a life-long vegetarian or if it was just a phase? Were any of the other Bloomsbury group vegetarians? (I know that Clive Bell thought that Shaw needed a good beef steak, so I am assuming not). Any thoughts or insights or suggestions would be appreciated!? 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On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:54, > wrote: I can?t answer the question about who was or was not a vegetarian, but Woolf would never have referred to Saxon S-T as Sydney: ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Thank you, Mark! That makes much more sense now. On Tue, 12 Apr 2022 at 14:54, > wrote: I can?t answer the question about who was or was not a vegetarian, but Woolf would never have referred to Saxon S-T as Sydney: it is Sydney Waterlow whom she?s talking about here. From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of Peter Adkins via Vwoolf Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 9:49 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf, Sydney-Turner and Vegetarianism Dear Woolfians, In June 1923, VW writes in her diary (with her usual snark): ?I cant help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally weak; gullible; & now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. And he?s a vegetarian. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Dear Woolfians, In June 1923, VW writes in her diary (with her usual snark): ?I cant help liking Sydney?fundamentally honest; fundamentally weak; gullible; & now settling down to ?repose?, which is very delightful. And he?s a vegetarian. Such a simplification, he said. But if I saw you every day for a week I could tell you what has been happening to me. Vegetarianism is part of a whole revolution?Don?t I know it without being told.? Does anyone know if Sydney-Turner was a life-long vegetarian or if it was just a phase? Were any of the other Bloomsbury group vegetarians? (I know that Clive Bell thought that Shaw needed a good beef steak, so I am assuming not). Any thoughts or insights or suggestions would be appreciated! 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Virginia Woolf's canine antifascist toolkit.' Madelyn Detloff (Miami University Oxford, OH) - 'What resources does Queer Bloomsbury have to offer for Outsiders in times of crisis?' Samson Dittrich (University of Sussex) - 'The role of the Whip in Duncan Grant's Erotic Drawings.' The recordings for these papers and others which may be of interest are available at: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://outsiders2022.wordpress.com/event/recorded-papers/__;!!KGKeukY!hsjNmFzbAZjWiGPWZR-Am4ervVbLbIjd7xPBkC742Eb1V59LrDmttDkYNP6Aux896BM$ Password: insideout Please do not share this password or the recordings publicly. Due to the need to create a safe space in which to freely discuss important issues, the Q & As for most of the panels are not available. However, if anyone would like to see the Q & A for the Queer Bloomsbury Panel, please get in touch and I can email it to you via WeTransfer. Warm wishes, Marielle Marielle O'Neill Doctoral Researcher, Leeds Trinity University Executive Council Member, Virginia Woolf Society of Great Britain: https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://www.virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/events/__;!!KGKeukY!hsjNmFzbAZjWiGPWZR-Am4ervVbLbIjd7xPBkC742Eb1V59LrDmttDkYNP6Af37YU58$ Programming Co-chair, Outside/rs 2022 Conference: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://outsiders2022.wordpress.com/__;!!KGKeukY!hsjNmFzbAZjWiGPWZR-Am4ervVbLbIjd7xPBkC742Eb1V59LrDmttDkYNP6AmGwFmpc$ Postgraduate Researchers' Representative, Leeds Trinity University https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://research.leedstrinity.ac.uk/en/persons/marielle-oneill__;!!KGKeukY!hsjNmFzbAZjWiGPWZR-Am4ervVbLbIjd7xPBkC742Eb1V59LrDmttDkYNP6AxUE3dFk$ m.oneill at leedstrinity.ac.uk Pronouns: She/Her -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk Wed Apr 13 14:20:47 2022 From: smhall123 at yahoo.co.uk (Sarah M. Hall) Date: Wed, 13 Apr 2022 18:20:47 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] Fwd: Plaque pledge In-Reply-To: <98319a8c50a9422480947236230856d6@U-EXH-1.liunet.edu> References: <7E5458E9-2D59-41F6-AF7B-7A0D3149DD4F@att.net> <98319a8c50a9422480947236230856d6@U-EXH-1.liunet.edu> Message-ID: <465940485.1075083.1649874047519@mail.yahoo.com> Dear All, The link for the fundraising page is at the bottom of the page, but to save you hunting around, it's: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!nNdmG6QVDojV-bMarmeEuOasJdkNCQ-8lXQno9E1HqZAg4R_Hdj_7jMO4F7-7KfC_Cs$ Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety On Monday, 11 April 2022, 21:59:21 BST, Katherine Hill-Miller via Vwoolf wrote: It?s a great idea. I?d be delighted to pledge too, if I receive the link? Best, Kathy From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Marie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd It?s a great idea.? I?d be delighted to pledge too, if I receive the link? ? Best, ? Kathy ? From: Vwoolf On Behalf OfMarie Claire Boisset via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 4:19 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Cc: Erin Kingsley Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Fwd: Plaque pledge ? WARNING: This email originated from outside of Long Island University. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is safe.- LIU Information Technology Awesome? just pledged too!? Thank you!?? Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart | | | This Message Is From an External Sender | | This message came from outside your organization. | | ????Report?Suspicious????? | | | ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Awesome ? just pledged too! ? ? Thank you!?? | | | | | | | | | | Marie Claire Boisset Pestourie? | | | | | | | | Address??2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France?? | ? | Phone??+33 (0)5 55 88 29 61? | ? | Mobile???+33 (0)6 38 83 73 21? | ? | Email??mc at clarior.net? | ? | | | | | | | | | | | ? | | Le 11 avr. 2022 ? 19:43, Kllevenback via Vwoolf a ?crit?: ? Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Kllevenback Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT To: Erica Delsandro Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" , InternationalZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart | | | This Message Is From an External Sender | | This message came from outside your organization. | | ????Report?Suspicious????? | | | ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd ? Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: From: Kllevenback Date: April 11, 2022 at 1:37:17 PM EDT To: Erica Delsandro Cc: "Kingsley, Erin" , International Virginia Woolf Society , Amanda Golden , AnneMarie Bantzinger , Benjamin Hagen , Catherine Hollis , Elizabeth Evans , "Emily M. Hinnov" , Marcia James , Patricia Laurence , Susan Wegener , Vara Neverow Subject: Re: Plaque pledge ? ?Dear Erin, et al.? ? I can certainly pledge $500?will someone send me the PayPal link? ? With thanks? Karen Levenback ? ? Sent from my iPad On Apr 11, 2022, at 1:02 PM, Erica Delsandro wrote: ? Erin, I love this plan! If we can match the VWSGB's donation, that will certainly help. And if we blast the membership with the link and fundraising info, then the U.S. Woolfians will have shown up in good form. ? On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 11:38 AM Kingsley, Erin wrote: Ben: ? The Talland House plaque is a worthy goal in my view! It looks like they still need ?1,775, or roughly $2,314. ? The IVWS has $21,910 in Paypal as of today. What if the IVWS matched the VWSGB donation and gave $652 (leaving $1,662 left to fundraise), and emailed all members requesting they donate $10/each? There are 303 active members of IVWS. If only half of them donate, that would be $1500 in donations, leaving St Ives just $162 short of their goal. ? I know reality won?t match this math, but it?s a suggested path forward with only 51 days to spare. ? Warmly, Erin ? _____________________________________ Erin Kingsley, Ph.D. Associate Professor of English College of Arts and Sciences King University 1350 King College Road Bristol, TN 37620 (O) 423.652.4828 | (C) 303.332.2518 800.362.0014 https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.king.edu__;!!KGKeukY!nNdmG6QVDojV-bMarmeEuOasJdkNCQ-8lXQno9E1HqZAg4R_Hdj_7jMO4F7-DRuUfN0$ ? ? From: International Virginia Woolf Society Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 11:06 AM To: Amanda Golden ; AnneMarie Bantzinger ; Benjamin Hagen ; Catherine Hollis ; Elizabeth Evans ; Emily M. Hinnov ; Erica Delsandro ; Kingsley, Erin ; Karen L. Levenback ; Marcia James ; Patricia Laurence ; Susan Wegener ; Vara Neverow Subject: Fwd: FW: Plaque ? Dear IVWS Officers and Members-at-Large, ? I hope this?email finds you well. If you're interested in viewing last Friday's Zoom event featuring Anne Fernald and the contributors toThe Oxford Handbook of Virginia Woolf, you can watch the Zoom recording here:?https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://youtu.be/9p_pXaaGico__;!!KGKeukY!nNdmG6QVDojV-bMarmeEuOasJdkNCQ-8lXQno9E1HqZAg4R_Hdj_7jMO4F7-z6K9WYs$ . ? To business: I'm forwarding an email from Maggie Humm re: the Talland House plaque (which you may have heard about via the listserv or social media). See information?below. Maggie has asked the IVWS to consider donating funds toward this project. I fully support a donation, but I want to hear from you about [1] whether you also support an IVWS donation to this cause and [2] how much we can/should/are allowed to (?) donate. I'm also happy to brainstorm other ways to ensure that funds get raised in time to get that blue plaque on Talland House. ? Let me know?what you think! ? All best, Ben ---------- Forwarded message --------- From: Maggie Humm Date:Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 4:00 AM To:Hagen, Benjamin D Subject:Plaque ? Dear Ben ? Lovely celebration on Friday of the Oxford Handbook! ? The plaque to Woolf was mentioned approvingly in the Zoom. ? As you know, the plaque for Talland House is fundraising: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.spacehive.com/a-st-ives-plaque-for-virginia-woolf__;!!KGKeukY!nNdmG6QVDojV-bMarmeEuOasJdkNCQ-8lXQno9E1HqZAg4R_Hdj_7jMO4F7-7KfC_Cs$ ? I circulated the WoolfList, the Italian Woolf Society and French Etudes Woolfiennes. ? The VWSGB pledged ?500 (which I did on behalf of the VWSGB) ? We have only 52 days to reach the target. If the target is not reached the plaque will not be made/mounted. ? Would the IVWS Executive consider making a donation? ? I would be very grateful if you could consider this. It?s been such a long battle to get this far! ? Maggie ? 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URL: From sparks at clemson.edu Fri Apr 15 15:48:33 2022 From: sparks at clemson.edu (Elisa Sparks) Date: Fri, 15 Apr 2022 19:48:33 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Woolf Drop-in Friday, April 15th In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Apologies for Zoom mess today-- Dear all who showed up at the appointed time. My deepest regrets. Befuddled by pain and drugs and post-op fog, I apparently setup the zoom today for 3:00 AM my time. I wondered why I couldnt find the meeting. I did open one in a new window, but of course you didnt have the right address .So we all sat staring at empty screens. Would you like to make another attempt to meet Friday the 22nd? Woops I have a PT appointment! Let us just put this down to the exigencies of a broken elbow and re-schedule in May. I am doing very well. Have been off all pain meds for some days and have full use of hand and most of arm on injured side. Abjectly apologetically, Elisa ________________________________ From: Elisa Sparks Sent: Sunday, April 10, 2022 2:27 PM To: Woolf Salon ; Virginia Woolf ; davifpinho at gmail.com ; Suzanne Bellamy ; Ellen McLaughlin ; Amanda Golden ; annemarie bantzinger ; Paula Maggio ; Madelyn Detloff ; mariaaoliv at yahoo.com ; Shannon, Drew ; Kristin Czarnecki ; Shilo McGiff ; angelikispiropoulou at hotmail.com ; benjamin.hagen at usd.edu ; renee at r-n-r.org ; DIANA SWANSON ; jane.goldman at glasgow.ac.uk ; Mark Hussey ; Jeanne Dubino (dubinoja at appstate.edu) ; Gill.Lowe1 at btopenworld.com ; Diane Gillespie ; LHankins ; Peter Adkins ; Derek Ryan ; Stuart Clarke [] (stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com) ; Vara Neverow ; Cecil Woolf ; lcamarasana at gmail.com ; 'Judith Allen' ; Gabriel Hankins ; Karen Levenback ; amy.smith at lamar.edu ; stefano.rozzoni at unibg.it ; cecilia.servatius at edu.uni-graz.at ; bdaugherty at otterbein.edu ; staveley at stanford.edu ; hollisc at berkeley.edu ; ekingsley at king.edu ; vickiadams83 at gmail.com ; Maggie Humm ; Susan Wegener ; Anne Byrne ; mritaviana at gmail.com ; evansef at gmail.com ; sparks at clemson.edu ; Martin, Ann ; mhussey.emeritus at pace.edu Subject: Woolf Drop-in Friday, April 15th (Apologies for duplicates from cross-posting) Dear All-- As some of you may know, a couple of weeks ago I broke my left elbow in a suddenly chaotic dog encounter. I was waiting to see how my post-op recovery went before scheduling our semi-regular, monthly Woolf social drop-in. Happily, I am already off pain meds, and so feel I can easily host. I've set the meeting for Friday, April 15, at the usual time: 11:00AM PST west coast; that's 2:00 PM for those on the East Coast of USA, and 7:00 PM for London. Best Wishes-- looking forward to seeing you. Elisa Elisa Sparks is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting. 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URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Sat Apr 16 05:04:20 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 10:04:20 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? Stuart -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mefoleyuk at gmail.com Sat Apr 16 14:41:04 2022 From: mefoleyuk at gmail.com (Mary Ellen Foley) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 20:41:04 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black > woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ > > > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? > advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about > secretarial college?? > > Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college > and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? > she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write > interesting letters herself. > > I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to > work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What > about publishing?? > > I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I > wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their > bedroom: > > ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > > ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > > Stuart > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From danelljones at bresnan.net Sat Apr 16 16:31:47 2022 From: danelljones at bresnan.net (Danell Jones) Date: Sat, 16 Apr 2022 14:31:47 -0600 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ????Report?Suspicious????? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes.? Something to fall back on.? I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart.? What a lovely vote of confidence!? At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..."? And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point.? I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent.? I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago.? I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_jV2NiL0$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report?Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_jV2NiL0$ ? I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university.? ?What about secretarial college?? ? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on.? From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. ? I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do.? She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? ? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ? ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? ? Stuart _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sun Apr 17 04:12:45 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:12:45 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> Message-ID: The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think. Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? Stuart _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Sun Apr 17 06:07:39 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:07:39 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: <6227E91F076CC14B@re-prd-rgin-001.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) References: <6227E91F076CC14B@re-prd-rgin-001.btmx-prd.synchronoss.net> (added by postmaster@btinternet.com) Message-ID: If you live in a country that doesn?t have a national health service nor something equivalent to a welfare state, then it is reasonable to worry about money. Hence, Leslie Stephen?s panicking about money. Of course, Julia had a lot of money behind her (where did it all go to?), but, suppose Leslie had been the sole breadwinner (as it were), what would have happened to the family if he had died suddenly? Cf. the effect of Leonard?s father?s death on the family (and see Angus Wilson?s ?The Middle Age of Mrs Eliot?). I believe that a middle-class Victorian paterfamilias was recommended to save a substantial proportion of his yearly income to cope with various rainy days. (I feel I may have sidetracked people over typing ? it really was the article that resonated with me.) Stuart From: Danell Jones Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:31 PM To: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" [snip] I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ozma at sover.net Sun Apr 17 10:38:25 2022 From: ozma at sover.net (Gretchen Gerzina) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 10:38:25 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: <29FAF68E-713A-4ED7-8065-19F3F3E158CE@contoso.com> It?s been interesting to read this thread. When I was 15, I took a typing class in high school and still can type 50 words a minute without looking at the keyboard. There was one boy in the class. When people asked why I wanted to learn to type, I told them it was because I wanted to be a writer. I think the boy wanted to be a journalist. I earned money throughout college by typing for others (including the college offices), and of course I did go on to be a writer. One of the most useful things I ever learned. --Gretchen Gerzina -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From marciahalstead at aol.com Sun Apr 17 12:17:42 2022 From: marciahalstead at aol.com (Marcia James) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:17:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Vwoolf] "the ignorance of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <978164872.329074.1650212262802@mail.yahoo.com> I'm so enjoying this exchange, especially Stuart's imagining of his parents' conversation. My brother (Stewart, as it happens) was known as the Deill's ain bucky - the Devil's own child and a far cry from Lord Muck. As for typing classes . . . when I felt I couldn't take my broken heart back to college, I was enrolled by my father in Colonel Soule's secretarial school in New Orleans. I studied typing, shorthand, and business English for eight hours a day over one summer - and fled back to college in the fall. Marcia -----Original Message----- From: vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 3:07 am Subject: Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 23 Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to ??? vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at ??? vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (Jeremy Hawthorn) ? 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (Stuart N. Clarke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:12:45 +0000 From: Jeremy Hawthorn To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think. Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ? ? Report Suspicious? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember? it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ? ? Report Suspicious? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes.? Something to fall back on.? I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart.? What a lovely vote of confidence!? At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..."? And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point.? I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent.? I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago.? I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university.? ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on.? From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do.? She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? Stuart _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:07:39 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" To: Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" If you live in a country that doesn?t have a national health service nor something equivalent to a welfare state, then it is reasonable to worry about money.? Hence, Leslie Stephen?s panicking about money.? Of course, Julia had a lot of money behind her (where did it all go to?), but, suppose Leslie had been the sole breadwinner (as it were), what would have happened to the family if he had died suddenly?? Cf. the effect of Leonard?s father?s death on the family (and see Angus Wilson?s ?The Middle Age of Mrs Eliot?). I believe that a middle-class Victorian paterfamilias was recommended to save a substantial proportion of his yearly income to cope with various rainy days. (I feel I may have sidetracked people over typing ? it really was the article that resonated with me.) Stuart From: Danell Jones Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:31 PM To: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" [snip] I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf ------------------------------ End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 23 *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Sun Apr 17 12:33:34 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:33:34 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the ignorance of privilege" In-Reply-To: <978164872.329074.1650212262802@mail.yahoo.com> References: <978164872.329074.1650212262802@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Re shorthand. My sister did a secretarial course in the mid 60s, and learned shorthand just when dictaphones were making it redundant. But she then went to university and used it for taking notes in lectures. She got a first-class degree, and was told that her examiners were struck by the shorthand notes on her exam papers. A friend's mother started writing a diary in shorthand when her husband was captured after the fall of Singapore in WW2. She added entries every day until she died about a decade ago. But now, getting it transcribed, requires a very rare skill. She did not know whether her husband was even alive until after the Japanese surrender. She told me that when he was missing she said: "If he comes back alive I'll never complain about anything ever again. And I haven't." Did Virginia type? Stuart is right about the fear of destitution. My generation (I was born in 1942) skipped it to a significant extent. Full employment, unemployment pay, in the UK the National Health Service. What I think E M Forster calls "the abyss" (have I remembered that right?) was something we thought no longer existed, apart from accidents and bad luck on the health front. We thought it would never return. It has. Jeremy H. From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Marcia James via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 6:18 PM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the ignorance of privilege" I'm so enjoying this exchange, especially Stuart's imagining of his parents' conversation. My brother (Stewart, as it happens) was known as the Deill's ain bucky - the Devil's own child and a far cry from Lord Muck. As for typing classes . ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I'm so enjoying this exchange, especially Stuart's imagining of his parents' conversation. My brother (Stewart, as it happens) was known as the Deill's ain bucky - the Devil's own child and a far cry from Lord Muck. As for typing classes . . . when I felt I couldn't take my broken heart back to college, I was enrolled by my father in Colonel Soule's secretarial school in New Orleans. I studied typing, shorthand, and business English for eight hours a day over one summer - and fled back to college in the fall. Marcia -----Original Message----- From: vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Sent: Sun, Apr 17, 2022 3:07 am Subject: Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 23 Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to vwoolf at lists.osu.edu To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu You can reach the person managing the list at vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (Jeremy Hawthorn) 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (Stuart N. Clarke) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 08:12:45 +0000 From: Jeremy Hawthorn > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think. Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf > P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley >; Stuart N. Clarke > Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf >> wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gal8iIhX-Xnm6NuOGplp4AWk0vqeDA9kAEqydb1yH8zSkehSuEnxGxkbHaK7FPMNyhc$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? Stuart _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 11:07:39 +0100 From: "Stuart N. Clarke" > To: > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" If you live in a country that doesn?t have a national health service nor something equivalent to a welfare state, then it is reasonable to worry about money. Hence, Leslie Stephen?s panicking about money. Of course, Julia had a lot of money behind her (where did it all go to?), but, suppose Leslie had been the sole breadwinner (as it were), what would have happened to the family if he had died suddenly? Cf. the effect of Leonard?s father?s death on the family (and see Angus Wilson?s ?The Middle Age of Mrs Eliot?). I believe that a middle-class Victorian paterfamilias was recommended to save a substantial proportion of his yearly income to cope with various rainy days. (I feel I may have sidetracked people over typing ? it really was the article that resonated with me.) Stuart From: Danell Jones Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 9:31 PM To: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: RE: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" [snip] I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Subject: Digest Footer _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf ------------------------------ End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 23 *************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From kllevenback at att.net Sun Apr 17 12:38:08 2022 From: kllevenback at att.net (Kllevenback) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 12:38:08 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" References: <14E7F3CB-0E45-4AFE-8F7E-06655CE22EC5.ref@att.net> Message-ID: <14E7F3CB-0E45-4AFE-8F7E-06655CE22EC5@att.net> ?Yes. What a cool ? exchange. When I was in seventh grade, in an SP (special progress) class wherein we skipped eighth grade, we all took typing twice a week as a minor: probably one of the most useful classes we ever had to take. How prescient of the administration of Bleeker Junior High School?. Sent from my iPad > On Apr 17, 2022, at 10:38 AM, Gretchen Gerzina via Vwoolf wrote: > ? > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > It?s been interesting to read this thread. When I was 15, I took a typing class in high school and still can type 50 words a minute without looking at the keyboard. There was one boy in the class. When people asked why I wanted to learn to type, I told them it was because I wanted to be a writer. I think the boy wanted to be a journalist. I earned money throughout college by typing for others (including the college offices), and of course I did go on to be a writer. One of the most useful things I ever learned. > > --Gretchen Gerzina > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark.travis at frontier.com Sun Apr 17 16:27:53 2022 From: mark.travis at frontier.com (Mark Scott) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 13:27:53 -0700 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> Message-ID: I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. Mark Scott Common Reader From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!i5PlOhOEG3G1Xg1D1RJxmb7n6fkFNMaMoRodtsh0599DPlb1JfOw5elYiOr1MmremKE$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!i5PlOhOEG3G1Xg1D1RJxmb7n6fkFNMaMoRodtsh0599DPlb1JfOw5elYiOr1MmremKE$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? Stuart _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diana_swanson at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 16:45:21 2022 From: diana_swanson at comcast.net (DIANA SWANSON) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045@connect.xfinity.com> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? Diana > On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: > > > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > > Report Suspicious > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > > Mark Scott > Common Reader > > From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think > > > Jeremy H > > > Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf > Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke > Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > > > As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > > > I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. > > > Danell > > > Sent from Mail https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows > > > From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > To: Stuart N. Clarke > Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." > > Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > > Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. > > > That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > > > Mary Ellen > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: > > > > > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ > > > > > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ > > > > > > > > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? > > > > > > > > Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. > > > > > > > > I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? > > > > > > > > I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: > > > > > > > > ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > > > > > > > > ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ge at entenman.net Sun Apr 17 17:15:31 2022 From: ge at entenman.net (George Entenman) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045@connect.xfinity.com> References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill patient. - ge, chapel hill, nc On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To > quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To > quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says > her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't > realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the > struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged > ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various > permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what *Three Guineas* > is about? > > Diana > > On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: > > > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. > There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it > turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill > I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Report Suspicious > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. > There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it > turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill > I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > > Mark Scott > Common Reader > > *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a > basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the > skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in > England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > * Report Suspicious * > > ? > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted from > a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, > the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in > England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I > was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a > length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I > might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, > that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all > his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in > typing have the last laugh on us men here I think > > > Jeremy H > > > *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell Jones > via Vwoolf > *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < > stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school > because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember > it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even > a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > * Report Suspicious * > > ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school > because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > > > As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers > could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a > safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > > > I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical > middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through > it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that > probably explains a lot. > > > Danell > > > Sent from Mail > > for Windows > > > *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > *To: *Stuart N. Clarke > *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a > place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for > books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I > take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > * Report Suspicious * > > ? > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a > place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for > books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I > take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote > exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or > be a secretary." > > Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I > took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't > permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter > DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > > Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional > accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up > working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a > front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did > go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded > like the announcers on TV. > > > That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > > > Mary Ellen > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > *This Message Is From an External Sender * > > This message came from outside your organization. > > Report Suspicious > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > > > > > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? > advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about > secretarial college?? > > > > Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college > and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? > she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write > interesting letters herself. > > > > I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to > work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What > about publishing?? > > > > I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I > wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their > bedroom: > > > > ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > > > > ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > > > > Stuart > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > ------------------------------ > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From diana_swanson at comcast.net Sun Apr 17 17:23:51 2022 From: diana_swanson at comcast.net (DIANA SWANSON) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 16:23:51 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <414945879.2303096.1650230631276@connect.xfinity.com> Good point, ge. > On 04/17/2022 4:15 PM George Entenman wrote: > > > This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. > > She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) > > This reminds me of a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good. My doctor friend told me how eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill patient. > > - ge, chapel hill, nc > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf wrote: > > > > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > Report Suspicious > > > > > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? > > > > Diana > > > > > > > On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > Report Suspicious > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > > > > > > Mark Scott > > > Common Reader > > > > > > From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > > > Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > > > To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > > > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > > > > The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think > > > > > > > > > Jeremy H > > > > > > > > > Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf > > > Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > > > Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke > > > Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu mailto:vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > > > > > > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > > > > My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > > > > > > > > > As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > > > > > > > > > I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. > > > > > > > > > Danell > > > > > > > > > Sent from Mail https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows > > > > > > > > > From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > > > Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > > > To: Stuart N. Clarke > > > Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > > > > > > > > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > > > > Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." > > > > > > Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > > > > > > Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. > > > > > > > > > That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > > > > > > > > > Mary Ellen > > > > > > > > > On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!ld9GJy3kf403aeVj9coEuLZ6uqMmC3N2A7whFUhzUnsKyaomPbRk9KQck-wuqYRBl4Y$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > > > > > > > > > > > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > > > > > > > This message came from outside your organization. > > > > > > > > Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > > > > > > > I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > > > > > > > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!ld9GJy3kf403aeVj9coEuLZ6uqMmC3N2A7whFUhzUnsKyaomPbRk9KQck-wuqYRBl4Y$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Stuart > > > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Vwoolf mailing list > > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------- > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Vwoolf mailing list > > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu mailto:Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Vwoolf mailing list > > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu mailto:Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Vwoolf mailing list > > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu mailto:Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk Sun Apr 17 17:37:52 2022 From: M.ONeill at leedstrinity.ac.uk (Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD) Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 21:37:52 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" In-Reply-To: References: <3fftchv0a5-1@m0130876.ppops.net> <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: Dear George, The ?different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good? is explored in great detail in the brilliant new collection of essays, On Being Ill published by Dutch indie publisher, Elte Rauch. The book is available to purchase in the UK and in Europe. To purchase overseas, you can order at the LRB (link below) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/stock/on-being-ill-virginia-woolf-audre-lordeElte__;!!KGKeukY!ldWDKDUFH6G8iV-MzG7O8SJwPsi1DjY1j0OnhRV4iXVR6YYEHRCruOuN2lQizHhV3Ls$ Rauch:info at uitgeverijhetmoet info at uitgeverijhetmoet.nl>; From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of George Entenman via Vwoolf Sent: 17 April 2022 22:16 To: DIANA SWANSON Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) This reminds me of a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good. My doctor friend told me how eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill patient. - ge, chapel hill, nc On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf > wrote: I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? Diana On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. Mark Scott Common Reader From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf > P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley >; Stuart N. Clarke > Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!ldWDKDUFH6G8iV-MzG7O8SJwPsi1DjY1j0OnhRV4iXVR6YYEHRCruOuN2lQicRXcD8Q$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!ldWDKDUFH6G8iV-MzG7O8SJwPsi1DjY1j0OnhRV4iXVR6YYEHRCruOuN2lQicRXcD8Q$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? 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To purchase overseas, you can order at the London Review Bookshop (link below) or email Elte. https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/stock/on-being-ill-virginia-woolf-audre-lorde__;!!KGKeukY!huN39etW_aZblLnTg9rdVamyyT17KqKOX6NuEF7iAW4SotNOC8IPmcGYF3XhzXx-1kM$ Elte Rauch: info at uitgeverijhetmoet.nl Warm wishes, Marielle From: Vwoolf On Behalf Of Marielle O'Neill (1806529) PHD via Vwoolf Sent: 17 April 2022 22:38 To: George Entenman ; DIANA SWANSON Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Dear George, The ?different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good? is explored in great detail in the brilliant new collection of essays, On Being Ill published by Dutch indie publisher, Elte Rauch. ? ? ? ? ? ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Dear George, The ?different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good? is explored in great detail in the brilliant new collection of essays, On Being Ill published by Dutch indie publisher, Elte Rauch. The book is available to purchase in the UK and in Europe. To purchase overseas, you can order at the LRB (link below) https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.londonreviewbookshop.co.uk/stock/on-being-ill-virginia-woolf-audre-lorde__;!!KGKeukY!huN39etW_aZblLnTg9rdVamyyT17KqKOX6NuEF7iAW4SotNOC8IPmcGYF3XhzXx-1kM$ Elte Rauch:info at uitgeverijhetmoet info at uitgeverijhetmoet.nl>; From: Vwoolf > On Behalf Of George Entenman via Vwoolf Sent: 17 April 2022 22:16 To: DIANA SWANSON > Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent doctor at a local hospital. She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) This reminds me of a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of those whose health has been good. My doctor friend told me how eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill patient. - ge, chapel hill, nc On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf > wrote: I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? Diana On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. Mark Scott Common Reader From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think Jeremy H Fra: Vwoolf > P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 Til: Mary Ellen Foley >; Stuart N. Clarke > Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. Danell Sent from Mail for Windows From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM To: Stuart N. Clarke Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ? ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... Mary Ellen On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf > wrote: I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!huN39etW_aZblLnTg9rdVamyyT17KqKOX6NuEF7iAW4SotNOC8IPmcGYF3XhEZ2Qjp0$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Report Suspicious ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!huN39etW_aZblLnTg9rdVamyyT17KqKOX6NuEF7iAW4SotNOC8IPmcGYF3XhEZ2Qjp0$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? 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An example of the latter (conscious or wilful ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. Palvasha von Hassell M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) Cambridge University Am M?hlenteich 35 25436 Uetersen Germany ++49 15161626162 > On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > > ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) > 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) > From: DIANA SWANSON > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? > > Diana > >> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >> >> >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >> >> Mark Scott >> Common Reader >> >> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf >> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke >> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> >> >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >> >> >> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >> >> >> Danell >> >> >> Sent from Mail https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows >> >> >> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >> To: Stuart N. Clarke >> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >> >> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >> >> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >> >> >> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >> >> >> Mary Ellen >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ >>> >>> >>> >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? >>> >>> >>> >>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>> >>> >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 > From: George Entenman > To: DIANA SWANSON > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent > doctor at a local hospital. > > She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She > was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. > (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier > because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to > increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) > > This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of > those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how > eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill > patient. > > - ge, chapel hill, nc > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to >> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To >> quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to >> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To >> quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says >> her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't >> realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the >> struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged >> ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various >> permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what *Three Guineas* >> is about? >> >> Diana >> >> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >> >> >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it >> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill >> I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it >> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill >> I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >> >> Mark Scott >> Common Reader >> >> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a >> basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the >> skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in >> England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> * Report Suspicious * >> >> ? >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted from >> a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, >> the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in >> England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I >> was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a >> length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I >> might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, >> that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all >> his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in >> typing have the last laugh on us men here I think >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell Jones >> via Vwoolf >> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < >> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> >> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school >> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember >> it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even >> a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> * Report Suspicious * >> >> ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school >> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> >> >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers >> could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a >> safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >> >> >> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical >> middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through >> it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that >> probably explains a lot. >> >> >> Danell >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> >> for Windows >> >> >> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke >> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a >> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for >> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I >> take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> * Report Suspicious * >> >> ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a >> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for >> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I >> take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote >> exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or >> be a secretary." >> >> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I >> took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't >> permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter >> DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >> >> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional >> accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up >> working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a >> front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did >> go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded >> like the announcers on TV. >> >> >> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >> >> >> Mary Ellen >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate >> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >> >> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> *This Message Is From an External Sender * >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate >> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >> >> >> >> >> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? >> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about >> secretarial college?? >> >> >> >> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college >> and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? >> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write >> interesting letters herself. >> >> >> >> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to >> work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What >> about publishing?? >> >> >> >> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I >> wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their >> bedroom: >> >> >> >> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >> >> >> >> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >> >> >> >> Stuart >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 27 > *************************************** From jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no Mon Apr 18 04:56:09 2022 From: jeremy.hawthorn at ntnu.no (Jeremy Hawthorn) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:56:09 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson In-Reply-To: <4C687187-A817-4A3F-B312-003A16C3573F@t-online.de> References: <4C687187-A817-4A3F-B312-003A16C3573F@t-online.de> Message-ID: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! The thing that bothers me about Three Guineas is that when reference is made to the work today, its subject is often stated as it is below: "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". But Woolf repeatedly states that her concern in the text is not with "women" in general, but with "the daughters of educated men." This I think represents very much a contraction of concern from that of A Room of One's Own. It is as if in the later work Woolf shares Forster's (admittedly partly ironic) view that the very poor (or even just the poor) are "unthinkable." This does not render the Woolf's case irrelevant, but it does reduce the ethical challenge of the book. Jeremy H -----Opprinnelig melding----- Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Palvasha von Hassell via Vwoolf Sendt: mandag 18. april 2022 10:28 Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! Very interesting point; I think there are (at least) two kinds of ignorance, unconscious and conscious or wilful. The former relates to comfortably situated members of an affluent society who are simply oblivious to the grinding poverty and lack of opportunity of others anywhere in the world. An example of the latter (conscious or wilful ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. Palvasha von Hassell M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) Cambridge University Am M?hlenteich 35 25436 Uetersen Germany ++49 15161626162 > On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > > ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) > 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) > From: DIANA SWANSON > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? > > Diana > >> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >> >> >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective >> course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early >> 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at >> least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious >> >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >> >> Mark Scott >> Common Reader >> >> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted >> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and >> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit >> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. >> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using >> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number >> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women >> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the >> last laugh on us men here I think >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf >> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke >> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> >> >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >> >> >> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >> >> >> Danell >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55 >> 0986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWD >> xCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows >> >> >> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >> To: Stuart N. Clarke >> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, >> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >> >> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least >> that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a >> woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education >> classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really >> do -- >> >> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >> >> >> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >> >> >> Mary Ellen >> >> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>>>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it >>> will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from >>> working-class backgrounds: >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment >>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK >>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2 >>> ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other >>> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious >>> https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacu >>> xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5E >>> qg9XCC1_uP24eg$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment >>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK >>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5 >>> HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ >>> >>> >>> >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? >>> >>> >>> >>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>> >>> >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> >> >> --------------------------------------------- >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > ttachment-0001.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 > From: George Entenman > To: DIANA SWANSON > Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a > prominent doctor at a local hospital. > > She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. > She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. > (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID > earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned > out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) > > This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that > of those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how > eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill > patient. > > - ge, chapel hill, nc > > On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced >> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and >> privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This >> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside >> your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> > S5gxfE7EF1EzHEpPeqIvGyljGKJaRPHF5dL0BC7f7ovQeg2_8w6aRudsd9FPkt_IAOAJe >> zZ0Upy7NavEXG7IzAa2yrgiYT7o$> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced >> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and >> privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, >> "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' >> of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't >> think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." >> This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or >> sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that >> in part what *Three Guineas* is about? >> >> Diana >> >> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >> >> >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. >> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, >> practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This >> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside >> your organization. >> Report Suspicious >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. >> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, >> practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >> >> Mark Scott >> Common Reader >> >> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted >> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >> useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from >> outside your organization. >> * Report Suspicious * >> > RRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0 >> pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$> >> ? >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted >> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and >> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit >> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. >> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using >> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number >> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women >> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the >> last laugh on us men here I think >> >> >> Jeremy H >> >> >> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell >> Jones via Vwoolf >> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < >> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> >> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> * Report Suspicious * >> > qrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ >> > >> ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >> >> >> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my >> grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in >> an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >> >> >> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a >> typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was >> threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My >> dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >> >> >> Danell >> >> >> Sent from Mail >> > 50986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKW >> DxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$> >> for Windows >> >> >> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke >> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with >> a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> * Report Suspicious * >> > xBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQV >> rrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$> >> ? >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, >> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >> insisted that I take some classes in the education department >> because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything >> else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >> >> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's >> how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman >> isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes >> were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >> >> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable >> regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area >> ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire >> her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure >> that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it >> than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >> >> >> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >> >> >> Mary Ellen >> >> >> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will >> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x >> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >> > arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2y >> cgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$> I saw a black woman on the TV the other >> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >> >> *This Message Is From an External Sender * >> >> This message came from outside your organization. >> >> Report Suspicious >> > xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eq >> g9XCC1_uP24eg$> >> >> >> >> >> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >> >> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will >> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >> >> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x >> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >> > arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5H >> Z1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$> >> >> >> >> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? >> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What >> about secretarial college?? >> >> >> >> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial >> college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? >> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write >> interesting letters herself. >> >> >> >> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to >> work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: >> ?What about publishing?? >> >> >> >> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents >> that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent >> conversation in their >> bedroom: >> >> >> >> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >> >> >> >> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >> >> >> >> Stuart >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > scrubbed... > URL: > ttachment.html> > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 27 > *************************************** _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf From p_v_hassell at t-online.de Mon Apr 18 05:14:24 2022 From: p_v_hassell at t-online.de (Palvasha von Hassell) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 09:14:24 +0000 Subject: [Vwoolf] Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 31 Ignorance of privilege Jeremmy Hawthorn In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7399C4B0-7C0C-42F2-AC5C-ADCAC3388DD9@t-online.de> !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". Let me clarify, as you seem to have made the wrong assumption about my use of above words: I would be the last person to suggest Woolf ever seriously meant women of all classes when she wrote or talked about women; I used the words above in the sense she would have used them: for women who somehow already had the wherewithal to struggle for a meaningful place in society. She was never one to engage in the general struggle for womens? emancipation as this included the "lower" classes, to which she emphatically did not belong. Palvasha von Hassell M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) Cambridge University Am M?hlenteich 35 25436 Uetersen Germany ++49 15161626162 > On 18. Apr 2022, at 10:56, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > > ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > You can reach the person managing the list at > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson (Palvasha von Hassell) > 2. Re: Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson (Jeremy Hawthorn) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:28:15 +0000 > From: Palvasha von Hassell > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > Message-ID: <4C687187-A817-4A3F-B312-003A16C3573F at t-online.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Very interesting point; I think there are (at least) two kinds of ignorance, unconscious and conscious or wilful. The former relates to comfortably situated members of an affluent society who are simply oblivious to the grinding poverty and lack of opportunity of others anywhere in the world. An example of the latter (conscious or wilful ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. > > Palvasha von Hassell > M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) > Cambridge University > > Am M?hlenteich 35 > 25436 Uetersen > Germany > > ++49 15161626162 > >> On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: >> >> ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) >> 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) >> From: DIANA SWANSON >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? >> >> Diana >> >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>> >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >>> >>> Mark Scott >>> Common Reader >>> >>> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think >>> >>> >>> Jeremy H >>> >>> >>> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf >>> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >>> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke >>> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> >>> >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >>> >>> >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >>> >>> >>> Danell >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows >>> >>> >>> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >>> To: Stuart N. Clarke >>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >>> >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >>> >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >>> >>> >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >>> >>> >>> Mary Ellen >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>>> >>>> >>>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>>> >>>> This message came from outside your organization. >>>> >>>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>>> >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stuart >>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 >> From: George Entenman >> To: DIANA SWANSON >> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> Message-ID: >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a prominent >> doctor at a local hospital. >> >> She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. She >> was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. >> (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier >> because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to >> increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) >> >> This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of >> those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how >> eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill >> patient. >> >> - ge, chapel hill, nc >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to >>> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To >>> quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to >>> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To >>> quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says >>> her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't >>> realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the >>> struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged >>> ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various >>> permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what *Three Guineas* >>> is about? >>> >>> Diana >>> >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>> >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it >>> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill >>> I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it >>> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill >>> I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >>> >>> Mark Scott >>> Common Reader >>> >>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a >>> basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the >>> skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in >>> England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >>> ? >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted from >>> a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, >>> the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in >>> England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which I >>> was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a >>> length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, I >>> might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind you, >>> that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all >>> his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses in >>> typing have the last laugh on us men here I think >>> >>> >>> Jeremy H >>> >>> >>> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell Jones >>> via Vwoolf >>> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >>> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < >>> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> >>> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school >>> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I remember >>> it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even >>> a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >>> ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school >>> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> >>> >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >>> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers >>> could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a >>> safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >>> >>> >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical >>> middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through >>> it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that >>> probably explains a lot. >>> >>> >>> Danell >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail >>> >>> for Windows >>> >>> >>> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >>> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke >>> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a >>> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for >>> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I >>> take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >>> ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a >>> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for >>> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I >>> take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote >>> exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or >>> be a secretary." >>> >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's how I >>> took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't >>> permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter >>> DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >>> >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional >>> accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up >>> working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a >>> front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did >>> go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded >>> like the announcers on TV. >>> >>> >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >>> >>> >>> Mary Ellen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >>> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate >>> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >>> >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> *This Message Is From an External Sender * >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate >>> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? >>> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about >>> secretarial college?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college >>> and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? >>> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write >>> interesting letters herself. >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to >>> work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What >>> about publishing?? >>> >>> >>> >>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I >>> wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their >>> bedroom: >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>> >>> >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 27 >> *************************************** > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:56:09 +0000 > From: Jeremy Hawthorn > To: Palvasha von Hassell , > "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > Message-ID: > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > The thing that bothers me about Three Guineas is that when reference is made to the work today, its subject is often stated as it is below: "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". But Woolf repeatedly states that her concern in the text is not with "women" in general, but with "the daughters of educated men." This I think represents very much a contraction of concern from that of A Room of One's Own. It is as if in the later work Woolf shares Forster's (admittedly partly ironic) view that the very poor (or even just the poor) are "unthinkable." This does not render the Woolf's case irrelevant, but it does reduce the ethical challenge of the book. > > Jeremy H > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Palvasha von Hassell via Vwoolf > Sendt: mandag 18. april 2022 10:28 > Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > Very interesting point; I think there are (at least) two kinds of ignorance, unconscious and conscious or wilful. The former relates to comfortably situated members of an affluent society who are simply oblivious to the grinding poverty and lack of opportunity of others anywhere in the world. An example of the latter (conscious or wilful ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. > > Palvasha von Hassell > M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) > Cambridge University > > Am M?hlenteich 35 > 25436 Uetersen > Germany > > ++49 15161626162 > >> On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: >> >> ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu >> >> You can reach the person managing the list at >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu >> >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." >> >> >> Today's Topics: >> >> 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) >> 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) >> >> >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> Message: 1 >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) >> From: DIANA SWANSON >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is about? >> >> Diana >> >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>> >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective >>> course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early >>> 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at >>> least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >>> >>> Mark Scott >>> Common Reader >>> >>> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ ? >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and >>> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit >>> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. >>> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using >>> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number >>> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women >>> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the >>> last laugh on us men here I think >>> >>> >>> Jeremy H >>> >>> >>> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones via Vwoolf >>> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >>> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke >>> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >>> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> >>> >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >>> >>> >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >>> >>> >>> Danell >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55 >>> 0986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWD >>> xCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows >>> >>> >>> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >>> To: Stuart N. Clarke >>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, >>> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >>> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >>> >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least >>> that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a >>> woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education >>> classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really >>> do -- >>> >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >>> >>> >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >>> >>> >>> Mary Ellen >>> >>> >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it >>>> will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from >>>> working-class backgrounds: >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment >>>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK >>>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2 >>>> ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other >>>> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>>> >>>> >>>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>>> >>>> This message came from outside your organization. >>>> >>>> Report Suspicious >>>> https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacu >>>> xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5E >>>> qg9XCC1_uP24eg$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>>> >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>>> >>>> >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment >>>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK >>>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5 >>>> HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about secretarial college?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write interesting letters herself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in their bedroom: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stuart >>>> >>>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> --------------------------------------------- >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> > ttachment-0001.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Message: 2 >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 >> From: George Entenman >> To: DIANA SWANSON >> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >> Message-ID: >> >> >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" >> >> This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a >> prominent doctor at a local hospital. >> >> She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. >> She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were suffocating. >> (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID >> earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned >> out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) >> >> This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that >> of those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how >> eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill >> patient. >> >> - ge, chapel hill, nc >> >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >> >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced >>> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and >>> privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This >>> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside >>> your organization. >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> >> S5gxfE7EF1EzHEpPeqIvGyljGKJaRPHF5dL0BC7f7ovQeg2_8w6aRudsd9FPkt_IAOAJe >>> zZ0Upy7NavEXG7IzAa2yrgiYT7o$> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced >>> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and >>> privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, >>> "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' >>> of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't >>> think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." >>> This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or >>> sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that >>> in part what *Three Guineas* is about? >>> >>> Diana >>> >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf wrote: >>> >>> >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. >>> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, >>> practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This >>> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside >>> your organization. >>> Report Suspicious >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective course. >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. >>> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, >>> practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. >>> >>> Mark Scott >>> Common Reader >>> >>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM >>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from >>> outside your organization. >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >> RRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0 >>> pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$> >>> ? >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and >>> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit >>> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. >>> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using >>> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number >>> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women >>> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the >>> last laugh on us men here I think >>> >>> >>> Jeremy H >>> >>> >>> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell >>> Jones via Vwoolf >>> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 >>> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < >>> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> >>> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >>> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >> qrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ >>>> >>> ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? >>> >>> >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but >>> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my >>> grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in >>> an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. >>> >>> >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a >>> typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was >>> threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My >>> dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. >>> >>> >>> Danell >>> >>> >>> Sent from Mail >>> >> 50986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKW >>> DxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$> >>> for Windows >>> >>> >>> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf >>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM >>> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke >>> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" >>> >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with >>> a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >>> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> This Message Is From an External Sender >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> * Report Suspicious * >>> >> xBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQV >>> rrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$> >>> ? >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, >>> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), >>> insisted that I take some classes in the education department >>> because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything >>> else, she can always teach or be a secretary." >>> >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's >>> how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman >>> isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes >>> were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- >>> >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable >>> regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area >>> ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire >>> her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure >>> that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it >>> than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. >>> >>> >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... >>> >>> >>> Mary Ellen >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < >>> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will >>> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x >>> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >>> >> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2y >>> cgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$> I saw a black woman on the TV the other >>> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart >>> >>> *This Message Is From an External Sender * >>> >>> This message came from outside your organization. >>> >>> Report Suspicious >>> >> xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eq >>> g9XCC1_uP24eg$> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd >>> >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will >>> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: >>> >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x >>> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ >>> >> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5H >>> Z1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$> >>> >>> >>> >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? >>> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What >>> about secretarial college?? >>> >>> >>> >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial >>> college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell Jar? >>> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write >>> interesting letters herself. >>> >>> >>> >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to >>> work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: >>> ?What about publishing?? >>> >>> >>> >>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents >>> that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent >>> conversation in their >>> bedroom: >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? >>> >>> >>> >>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? >>> >>> >>> >>> Stuart >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------ >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Vwoolf mailing list >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >>> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was >> scrubbed... >> URL: >> > ttachment.html> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> Subject: Digest Footer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Vwoolf mailing list >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> >> End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 27 >> *************************************** > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Vwoolf mailing list > Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 31 > *************************************** From mc at clarior.net Mon Apr 18 06:24:03 2022 From: mc at clarior.net (Marie Claire Boisset) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 12:24:03 +0200 Subject: [Vwoolf] Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 31 Ignorance of privilege Jeremmy Hawthorn In-Reply-To: <7399C4B0-7C0C-42F2-AC5C-ADCAC3388DD9@t-online.de> References: <7399C4B0-7C0C-42F2-AC5C-ADCAC3388DD9@t-online.de> Message-ID: Many, many interesting points in the thread (that could easily lead me to want to write (hundreds of?) pages... The above latest misunderstanding or wrong assumption seems to be extremely widespread unfortunately... I continue to be puzzled by the prevalence of studies on ROO & TG when, however interesting, thought-provoking, inspiring & original, these 2 VW pieces are by very far *not* part of her strongest pieces writing to me. The social, political strain in VW, if groundbreaking, has definitely not been her major achievement at all. *TW*, TY, TL, *SOTP*, MB, BA, short stories, etc. are much more seminal aspects of her work. BTW - In *TG* she takes a stand for "outsiders" (had counted 137 occurrences 25 years ago- if anyone one on the 'listerve' had checked those stats, I would appreciate the confirmation ;-) :-) *Outsiders* being *indeed* Only the "*daughters of educated **men*". And Such "educated men!" A relatively limited class & country, one has to admit... The question remains: how can both the sons & daughters of *educated And uneducated* *men * *and women *come to be So passionate about VW's writing that they spend years of their lives reading & writing & teaching about it? My humble answer: beyond feminism, class, race or gender, it is the brilliant, extreme intelligence that made even the likes of Lytton Strachey, E.M. Forster, T.S. Eliot or Maynard Keynes (ETC.) "*envious*", deeply jealous or purely *in awe*. It is her razor-sharp *humanity* & clear-sightedness, her overpowering will to write about "*life, death, etc*." that made such a difference for all. Happy Easter/Spring! Thank you! Marie-Claire Boisset-Pestourie Address 2 rue Traversi?re, 19100 Brive-La-Gaillarde, France Phone +33 (0)5 55 88 29 61 <+33%20(0)5%2055%2088%2029%2061> Mobile +33 (0)6 38 83 73 21 <+33%20(0)6%2038%2083%2073%2021> Email mc at clarior.net IMPORTANT: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential. 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On Mon, Apr 18, 2022 at 11:14 AM Palvasha von Hassell via Vwoolf < vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". > > Let me clarify, as you seem to have made the wrong assumption about my use > of above words: I would be the last person to suggest Woolf ever seriously > meant women of all classes when she wrote or talked about women; I used the > words above in the sense she would have used them: for women who somehow > already had the wherewithal to struggle for a meaningful place in society. > She was never one to engage in the general struggle for womens? > emancipation as this included the "lower" classes, to which she > emphatically did not belong. > > > > Palvasha von Hassell > M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) > Cambridge University > > Am M?hlenteich 35 > 25436 Uetersen > Germany > > ++49 15161626162 > > > On 18. Apr 2022, at 10:56, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > > > > ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > > https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > > vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > > > > You can reach the person managing the list at > > vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > > > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > > than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > > > > > > Today's Topics: > > > > 1. Re: Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson (Palvasha von Hassell) > > 2. Re: Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson (Jeremy Hawthorn) > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > Message: 1 > > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:28:15 +0000 > > From: Palvasha von Hassell > > To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > > Message-ID: <4C687187-A817-4A3F-B312-003A16C3573F at t-online.de> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > > > Very interesting point; I think there are (at least) two kinds of > ignorance, unconscious and conscious or wilful. The former relates to > comfortably situated members of an affluent society who are simply > oblivious to the grinding poverty and lack of opportunity of others > anywhere in the world. An example of the latter (conscious or wilful > ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their > corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as > women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. > > > > Palvasha von Hassell > > M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) > > Cambridge University > > > > Am M?hlenteich 35 > > 25436 Uetersen > > Germany > > > > ++49 15161626162 > > > >> On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > >> > >> ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) > >> 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) > >> From: DIANA SWANSON > >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >> Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To > quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says > her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't > realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the > struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged > ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various > permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is > about? > >> > >> Diana > >> > >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early > 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, > practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early > 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, > practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > >>> > >>> Mark Scott > >>> Common Reader > >>> > >>> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > >>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As > a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ > ? > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As > a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of > which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head > with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type > properly, I might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. > Mind you, that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a > lawyer all his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take > courses in typing have the last laugh on us men here I think > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeremy H > >>> > >>> > >>> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones > via Vwoolf > >>> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > >>> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < > stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > >>> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I > remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable > and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ > ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> > >>> > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers > could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a > safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > >>> > >>> > >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a > typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded > through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, > so that probably explains a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Danell > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ > for Windows > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > >>> To: Stuart N. Clarke > >>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying > for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that > I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ > ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying > for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that > I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote > exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or > be a secretary." > >>> > >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's > how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't > permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter > DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > >>> > >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable > regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended > up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a > front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did > go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded > like the announcers on TV. > >>> > >>> > >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > >>> > >>> > >>> Mary Ellen > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will > resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class > backgrounds: > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ > I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>>> > >>>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>>> > >>>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>>> > >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will > resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class > backgrounds: > >>>> > >>>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ > > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the > careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What > about secretarial college?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to > secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From > memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for > some man, but write interesting letters herself. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never > wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was > surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my > parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent > conversation in their bedroom: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Stuart > >>>> > >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220417/ac84cee8/attachment-0001.html > > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 > >> From: George Entenman > >> To: DIANA SWANSON > >> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a > prominent > >> doctor at a local hospital. > >> > >> She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. > She > >> was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were > suffocating. > >> (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID earlier > >> because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned out to > >> increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) > >> > >> This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that of > >> those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how > >> eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill > >> patient. > >> > >> - ge, chapel hill, nc > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < > >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> > >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > >>> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and > privilege. To > >>> quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!s8QTnSZhQsagS5gxfE7EF1EzHEpPeqIvGyljGKJaRPHF5dL0BC7f7ovQeg2_8w6aRudsd9FPkt_IAOAJezZ0Upy7NavEXG7IzAa2yrgiYT7o$ > > > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > >>> know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and > privilege. To > >>> quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller > says > >>> her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't > >>> realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the > >>> struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of > privileged > >>> ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various > >>> permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what *Three > Guineas* > >>> is about? > >>> > >>> Diana > >>> > >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. > >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. > As it > >>> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical > skill > >>> I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. > >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. > As it > >>> turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, practical > skill > >>> I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > >>> > >>> Mark Scott > >>> Common Reader > >>> > >>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > >>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > from a > >>> basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > universal, the > >>> skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy in > >>> England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ > > > >>> ? > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted > from > >>> a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > universal, > >>> the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As a boy > in > >>> England I was forced to study woodwork and metalwork, at both of which > I > >>> was so incompetent that one teacher hit me hard across the head with a > >>> length of wood. Ah, the good old days. Had I learned to type properly, > I > >>> might this very moment be using more that two fingers to type. Mind > you, > >>> that is double the number used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer > all > >>> his life. So women in the professions who were forced to take courses > in > >>> typing have the last laugh on us men here I think > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeremy H > >>> > >>> > >>> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell > Jones > >>> via Vwoolf > >>> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > >>> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < > >>> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > >>> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school > >>> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? As I > remember > >>> it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but respectable and > even > >>> a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ > > > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high school > >>> because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> > >>> > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > >>> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my > grandmothers > >>> could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was > a > >>> safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > >>> > >>> > >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a > typical > >>> middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded > through > >>> it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, so > that > >>> probably explains a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Danell > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail > >>> < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWDxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ > > > >>> for Windows > >>> > >>> > >>> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > >>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > >>> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke > >>> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with a > >>> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying > for > >>> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that > I > >>> take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ > > > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > with a > >>> place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying > for > >>> books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that > I > >>> take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote > >>> exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach > or > >>> be a secretary." > >>> > >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's > how I > >>> took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman isn't > >>> permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes were utter > >>> DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > >>> > >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable > regional > >>> accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended up > >>> working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a > >>> front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I > did > >>> go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who > sounded > >>> like the announcers on TV. > >>> > >>> > >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > >>> > >>> > >>> Mary Ellen > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > >>> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > >>> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > >>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > >>> < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ > > > >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> *This Message Is From an External Sender * > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> < > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacuxBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eqg9XCC1_uP24eg$ > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will resonate > >>> with those of you who (like me) come from working-class backgrounds: > >>> > >>> > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_xPsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > >>> < > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ > > > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? > >>> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What about > >>> secretarial college?? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial > college > >>> and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in ?The Bell > Jar? > >>> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write > >>> interesting letters herself. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to > >>> work, never had any idea of what to do. She was surprised/shocked: > ?What > >>> about publishing?? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my parents that > I > >>> wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent conversation in > their > >>> bedroom: > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Stuart > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ------------------------------ > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- > >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > >> URL: < > http://lists.osu.edu/pipermail/vwoolf/attachments/20220417/70d07bfb/attachment.html > > > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Subject: Digest Footer > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Vwoolf mailing list > >> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> End of Vwoolf Digest, Vol 119, Issue 27 > >> *************************************** > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Message: 2 > > Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 08:56:09 +0000 > > From: Jeremy Hawthorn > > To: Palvasha von Hassell , > > "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > > Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > > Message-ID: > > < > SV0P279MB0410DF20D148C3A88D51D7CCE7F39 at SV0P279MB0410.NORP279.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM > > > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > > > The thing that bothers me about Three Guineas is that when reference is > made to the work today, its subject is often stated as it is below: > "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". But Woolf repeatedly > states that her concern in the text is not with "women" in general, but > with "the daughters of educated men." This I think represents very much a > contraction of concern from that of A Room of One's Own. It is as if in the > later work Woolf shares Forster's (admittedly partly ironic) view that the > very poor (or even just the poor) are "unthinkable." This does not render > the Woolf's case irrelevant, but it does reduce the ethical challenge of > the book. > > > > Jeremy H > > > > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > > Fra: Vwoolf > P? vegne av Palvasha von Hassell via Vwoolf > > Sendt: mandag 18. april 2022 10:28 > > Til: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > > Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson > > > > !-------------------------------------------------------------------| > > This Message Is From an External Sender > > This message came from outside your organization. > > |-------------------------------------------------------------------! > > > > Very interesting point; I think there are (at least) two kinds of > ignorance, unconscious and conscious or wilful. The former relates to > comfortably situated members of an affluent society who are simply > oblivious to the grinding poverty and lack of opportunity of others > anywhere in the world. An example of the latter (conscious or wilful > ignorance) would be patriarchy and the subjugation of women with their > corresponding disqualification from being influential members of society as > women, the subject matter of Three Guineas. So in this sense, certainly. > > > > Palvasha von Hassell > > M.Phil. IR (Selwyn 1985) > > Cambridge University > > > > Am M?hlenteich 35 > > 25436 Uetersen > > Germany > > > > ++49 15161626162 > > > >> On 17. Apr 2022, at 23:16, vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu wrote: > >> > >> ?Send Vwoolf mailing list submissions to > >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > >> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > >> vwoolf-request at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> You can reach the person managing the list at > >> vwoolf-owner at lists.osu.edu > >> > >> When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > >> than "Re: Contents of Vwoolf digest..." > >> > >> > >> Today's Topics: > >> > >> 1. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (DIANA SWANSON) > >> 2. Re: "the 'ignorance' of privilege" (George Entenman) > >> > >> > >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > >> > >> Message: 1 > >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 15:45:21 -0500 (CDT) > >> From: DIANA SWANSON > >> To: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >> Message-ID: <1512951983.2302617.1650228322045 at connect.xfinity.com> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced to > know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and privilege. To > quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, "Sienna Miller says > her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' of people who don't > realise they have a head start in life and 'don't think' about the > struggles of those without the same privileges." This kind of privileged > ignorance is often about class or race or sex/gender or various > permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that in part what Three Guineas is > about? > >> > >> Diana > >> > >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > >>> course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early > >>> 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at > >>> least, practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. There were a few of those in my high school back in the early > 1970s. As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, > practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a living. > >>> > >>> Mark Scott > >>> Common Reader > >>> > >>> From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > >>> Sent: Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > >>> To: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally useful. As > a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vOQf0UZNA6bhRRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$ > ? > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally > >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and > >>> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit > >>> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. > >>> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using > >>> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number > >>> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women > >>> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the > >>> last laugh on us men here I think > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeremy H > >>> > >>> > >>> Fra: Vwoolf P? vegne av Danell Jones > via Vwoolf > >>> Sendt: l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > >>> Til: Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < > stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > >>> Kopi: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Emne: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > >>> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sSQT10yJiY0IqrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ > ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> > >>> > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my grandmothers > could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in an office was a > safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to do manual labor. > >>> > >>> > >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a > typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was threaded > through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My dad was an Okie, > so that probably explains a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Danell > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=55 > >>> 0986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKWD > >>> xCxfySg_mTEAEYA$ for Windows > >>> > >>> > >>> From: Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > >>> Sent: Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > >>> To: Stuart N. Clarke > >>> Cc: vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > >>> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was > >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), > >>> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!vYQd06kp6AmuxBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQVrrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$ > ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was paying > for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), insisted that > I take some classes in the education department because, and I do quote > exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything else, she can always teach or > be a secretary." > >>> > >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least > >>> that's how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a > >>> woman isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education > >>> classes were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really > >>> do -- > >>> > >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable > regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area ended > up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire her as a > front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure that, when I did > go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it than those who sounded > like the announcers on TV. > >>> > >>> > >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > >>> > >>> > >>> Mary Ellen > >>> > >>> > >>>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>>> > >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it > >>>> will resonate with those of you who (like me) come from > >>>> working-class backgrounds: > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment > >>>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK > >>>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- > >>>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2 > >>>> ycgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$ I saw a black woman on the TV the other > >>>> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>>> > >>>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>>> > >>>> Report Suspicious > >>>> https://us-phishalarm-ewt.proofpoint.com/EWT/v1/KGKeukY!sGQdnYZBTacu > >>>> xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5E > >>>> qg9XCC1_uP24eg$ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>>> > >>>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will > resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class > backgrounds: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment > >>>> -arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jX4HTzVYPjFIcQXcq-4fUNETBAn0YpXcg4eHBrxdK > >>>> 4JsiC3_35jNOfW66az4W62HJ9c$ > >>>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- > >>>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5 > >>>> HZ1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$ > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the > careers? advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What > about secretarial college?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to > secretarial college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From > memory, in ?The Bell Jar? she didn?t want to type interesting letters for > some man, but write interesting letters herself. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never > wanted to work, never had any idea of what to do. She was > surprised/shocked: ?What about publishing?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> I then fantasised about going back in time and telling my > parents that I wanted to go into publishing, and their subsequent > conversation in their bedroom: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ?Where?s Lord Muck got *this* idea from?? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> ?Well, he hasnae got it from me.? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Stuart > >>>> > >>>>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> --------------------------------------------- > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Vwoolf mailing list > >>> Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf > >>> > >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was > >> scrubbed... > >> URL: > >> >> ttachment-0001.html> > >> > >> ------------------------------ > >> > >> Message: 2 > >> Date: Sun, 17 Apr 2022 17:15:31 -0400 > >> From: George Entenman > >> To: DIANA SWANSON > >> Cc: "vwoolf at lists.osu.edu" > >> Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >> Message-ID: > >> > >> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > >> > >> This thread reminds me of a conversation I had yesterday with a > >> prominent doctor at a local hospital. > >> > >> She caught COVID some time ago and has still not completely recovered. > >> She was on oxygen for two months because she felt as if she were > suffocating. > >> (She said she would have probably died if she'd contracted COVID > >> earlier because she would have been put on a ventilator, which turned > >> out to increase mortality for still undetermined reasons.) > >> > >> This reminds me of *a different kind of ignorance of privilege: that > >> of those whose health has been good*. My doctor friend told me how > >> eye-opening it was for her to be in the hospital as a critically ill > >> patient. > >> > >> - ge, chapel hill, nc > >> > >> On Sun, Apr 17, 2022 at 4:45 PM DIANA SWANSON via Vwoolf < > >> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >> > >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced > >>> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and > >>> privilege. To quote the beginning of ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This > >>> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside > >>> your organization. > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> >>> S5gxfE7EF1EzHEpPeqIvGyljGKJaRPHF5dL0BC7f7ovQeg2_8w6aRudsd9FPkt_IAOAJe > >>> zZ0Upy7NavEXG7IzAa2yrgiYT7o$> > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I'd like to get back to Stuart's original point (at least as I saw it): > >>> the privilege of not knowing--not needing to know, not being forced > >>> to know, and getting away without knowing--about oppression and > >>> privilege. To quote the beginning of the article that Stuart linked, > >>> "Sienna Miller says her new Netflix drama highlights the 'ignorance' > >>> of people who don't realise they have a head start in life and 'don't > >>> think' about the struggles of those without the same privileges." > >>> This kind of privileged ignorance is often about class or race or > >>> sex/gender or various permutations/combinations thereof. Isn't that > >>> in part what *Three Guineas* is about? > >>> > >>> Diana > >>> > >>>> On 04/17/2022 3:27 PM Mark Scott via Vwoolf > wrote: > >>> > >>> > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. > >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. > >>> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, > >>> practical skill I learned during ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This > >>> Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside > >>> your organization. > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> I took a typing class in high school. I think it was an elective > course. > >>> There were a few of those in my high school back in the early 1970s. > >>> As it turns out, it proved to be the most valuable, or at least, > >>> practical skill I learned during my young life in terms of making a > living. > >>> > >>> Mark Scott > >>> Common Reader > >>> > >>> *From:* Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf > >>> *Sent:* Sunday, April 17, 2022 1:12 AM > >>> *To:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Subject:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would all have benefitted > >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally > >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from > >>> outside your organization. > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> >>> RRdxHw6kd97wkc7MCpwKUTGVsKuKAZk5KdHnYEAgyYOmU389u45j9YVf2yS4KQbCOZca0 > >>> pazDp2sWHNsB40AJnGuPxlsqmX8bIJz4w56JnmBiwVU1-8ZzK5L1jkRpdcXkQ$> > >>> ? > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> The supreme irony in all this is that we would *all* have benefitted > >>> from a basic course in typing at school. With work on PCs well-nigh > >>> universal, the skill of typing is accordingly almost universally > >>> useful. As a boy in England I was forced to study woodwork and > >>> metalwork, at both of which I was so incompetent that one teacher hit > >>> me hard across the head with a length of wood. Ah, the good old days. > >>> Had I learned to type properly, I might this very moment be using > >>> more that two fingers to type. Mind you, that is double the number > >>> used by an old friend who worked as a lawyer all his life. So women > >>> in the professions who were forced to take courses in typing have the > >>> last laugh on us men here I think > >>> > >>> > >>> Jeremy H > >>> > >>> > >>> *Fra:* Vwoolf *P? vegne av *Danell > >>> Jones via Vwoolf > >>> *Sendt:* l?rdag 16. april 2022 22:32 > >>> *Til:* Mary Ellen Foley ; Stuart N. Clarke < > >>> stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com> > >>> *Kopi:* vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Emne:* Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > >>> respectable and even a little upwardly ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> >>> qrMRvC6qfG79i0EVOqvSFxlW4bnp_TG5x7G7B1cxg2mhNkUI0KzdAfuU_nAfriiN4b80$ > >>>> > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> My mother also told me that I had to take a typing class in high > >>> school because then I would always have something to ?fall back on.? > >>> > >>> > >>> As I remember it, secretarial work was considered not just safe but > >>> respectable and even a little upwardly mobile. (Neither of my > >>> grandmothers could type.) There was a sense that being a secretary in > >>> an office was a safe, professional job that meant you didn?t have to > do manual labor. > >>> > >>> > >>> I don?t know if this is an American thing, but even though I had a > >>> typical middle-class upbringing, a fear of losing everything was > >>> threaded through it. Poverty and failure lurked in the shadows. My > >>> dad was an Okie, so that probably explains a lot. > >>> > >>> > >>> Danell > >>> > >>> > >>> Sent from Mail > >>> >>> 50986__;!!KGKeukY!jqrSQRZMBTz2bdCXMuPWJXIGhp6tJVxJoyR_JIhgjNVCyRSwhKW > >>> DxCxfySg_mTEAEYA$> > >>> for Windows > >>> > >>> > >>> *From: *Mary Ellen Foley via Vwoolf > >>> *Sent: *Saturday, April 16, 2022 12:41 PM > >>> *To: *Stuart N. Clarke > >>> *Cc: *vwoolf at lists.osu.edu > >>> *Subject: *Re: [Vwoolf] "the 'ignorance' of privilege" > >>> > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, with > >>> a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was > >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), > >>> insisted that I take some classes in the ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> This Message Is From an External Sender > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> * Report Suspicious * > >>> >>> xBn9X8RunQqHUEbl-RkoKf3FxDVFYeZwgRPTZlOjalu9o4aP8FTew3GHAG1gmcdHkoHQV > >>> rrcD1UQS6kcrPt0ADuFmZUJ_9D8njT07IiuK-vYzDeO9dg$> > >>> ? > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> Ah, yes. Something to fall back on. I was majoring in chemistry, > >>> with a place at Stanford for graduate school, and my mother, who was > >>> paying for books and living expenses (tuition was via scholarship), > >>> insisted that I take some classes in the education department > >>> because, and I do quote exactly here, "If a woman can't do anything > >>> else, she can always teach or be a secretary." > >>> > >>> Bless her heart. What a lovely vote of confidence! At least that's > >>> how I took it at the time, though she might have meant "If a woman > >>> isn't permitted to do anything else..." And the education classes > >>> were utter DRECK -- I despair for Kentucky schools, I really do -- > >>> > >>> Then again, she might have had a point. I have an unfashionable > >>> regional accent, and a friend of mine who also moved to the Bay Area > >>> ended up working on a loading dock, because companies wouldn't hire > >>> her as a front-desk receptionist because of her accent. I am sure > >>> that, when I did go to get a job, I probably had a harder time of it > >>> than those who sounded like the announcers on TV. > >>> > >>> > >>> That was -*cough*- decades ago. I do hope things have changed... > >>> > >>> > >>> Mary Ellen > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Apr 16, 2022 at 11:04 AM Stuart N. Clarke via Vwoolf < > >>> vwoolf at lists.osu.edu> wrote: > >>> > >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will > >>> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class > backgrounds: > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- > >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x > >>> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > >>> >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!gH-UkaXScOEYmSgt3p90A7JoQTQcJ4dN6O9jRlCDe2y > >>> cgM-BLLdgP2srmOn2E73fqRA$> I saw a black woman on the TV the other > >>> day, ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > >>> > >>> *This Message Is From an External Sender * > >>> > >>> This message came from outside your organization. > >>> > >>> Report Suspicious > >>> >>> xBeRP86E9ytrKK29SD1lBfSnj2jVIEkfe1VTgCvMGf8ELi80f2URD_mFqdu97wP3C-5Eq > >>> g9XCC1_uP24eg$> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > >>> > >>> I know this isn?t really relevant to the listserv, but it will > >>> resonate with those of you who (like me) come from working-class > backgrounds: > >>> > >>> https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment- > >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!nFal9DRbOCfRkUJdMCtxuqWWndEXEnXZIDHGOiwSY_x > >>> PsWrCj0H7DitH9BXyThYUeww$ > >>> >>> arts-61107909__;!!KGKeukY!jqPe0meTvr01hNVZznnvkz6Z06TNnQ2kd0H0ZG40o5H > >>> Z1vHKY6J7qH1mDiJtWqW9MV4$> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I saw a black woman on the TV the other day, who went to the careers? > >>> advisor at school and said she wanted to go to university. ?What > >>> about secretarial college?? > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> Which reminds me of Sylvia Plath and her mother: go to secretarial > >>> college and you?ll have something to fall back on. From memory, in > ?The Bell Jar? > >>> she didn?t want to type interesting letters for some man, but write > >>> interesting letters herself. > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> I remember telling a Woolfian acquaintance that I had never wanted to > >>> work, never had any idea of what to do. 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URL: From stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com Mon Apr 18 06:51:45 2022 From: stuart.n.clarke at btinternet.com (Stuart N. Clarke) Date: Mon, 18 Apr 2022 11:51:45 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] ALL women? In-Reply-To: References: <4C687187-A817-4A3F-B312-003A16C3573F@t-online.de> Message-ID: !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! One has to be careful even with AROO: "All women together ought to let flowers fall upon the tomb of Aphra Behn, which is, most scandalously but rather appropriately, in Westminster Abbey, for it was she who earned them the right to speak their minds. It is she?shady and amorous as she was?who makes it not quite fantastic for me to say to you to-night: Earn five hundred a year by your wits." Up jumps (metaphorically) Jane Marcus, and SHOUTS: What about the "Very Fine Negress"? "Can we imagine the Negress kneeling in Westminster Abbey? Is she included in 'All women'?" ("A Very Fine Negress" in "Hearts of Darkness: White Women Write Race" (New Brunswick, NJ: Rutgers University Press, 2004), p. 38) Oh, for Heaven's sake! Never mind the Negress - what about all the working-class women who have worked and earned - and worked and not earned - with their wits or witless - for hundreds, or thousands, of years? Virginia Woolf doesn't mean ALL women. She means all of the sorts of women she is supposedly talking to "to-night" - all educated young women. So beware! Stuart -----Original Message----- From: Jeremy Hawthorn via Vwoolf Sent: Monday, April 18, 2022 9:56 AM To: Palvasha von Hassell ; vwoolf at lists.osu.edu Subject: Re: [Vwoolf] Ignorance of privilege, Diana Swanson !-------------------------------------------------------------------| This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. |-------------------------------------------------------------------! The thing that bothers me about Three Guineas is that when reference is made to the work today, its subject is often stated as it is below: "patriarchy and the subjugation of women . . .". But Woolf repeatedly states that her concern in the text is not with "women" in general, but with "the daughters of educated men." This I think represents very much a contraction of concern from that of A Room of One's Own. It is as if in the later work Woolf shares Forster's (admittedly partly ironic) view that the very poor (or even just the poor) are "unthinkable." This does not render the Woolf's case irrelevant, but it does reduce the ethical challenge of the book. Jeremy H From mhussey at verizon.net Wed Apr 20 14:24:33 2022 From: mhussey at verizon.net (mhussey at verizon.net) Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2022 14:24:33 -0400 Subject: [Vwoolf] upcoming library talk References: <006601d854e3$e2e5ccd0$a8b16670$.ref@verizon.net> Message-ID: <006601d854e3$e2e5ccd0$a8b16670$@verizon.net> In case anyone is in the neighborhood, on Weds April 27 at 7-8pm Vara Neverow and I will be discussing "Clive Bell, Virginia Woolf, and Bloomsbury" at the Nyack Public Library (59 S. Broadway, Nyack NY 10960). Free! In person! https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://www.nyacklibrary.org/eventscalendar.html*/events/LjdGjOA0E6/instance__;Iw!!KGKeukY!l_1okJunpOlEBgrWTH1YjcAwDpELlRRkv_qabtg1B3kJBSRk-_SJz6Rd_N9XK766-jo$ s/EQxTouS5e6/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From onlinevwsgb at gmail.com Sat Apr 23 12:14:15 2022 From: onlinevwsgb at gmail.com (Virginia Woolf Society of GB) Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2022 17:14:15 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] Online talk 11 May, FREE to VWSGB members Message-ID: ?Clothes in Woolf?s Fiction?, talk by Claire Nicholson Wednesday 11 May, 5.30pm BST Virginia Woolf?s lifetime spanned enormous changes in clothing, particularly for women. As a child of the Victorian era she knew the torture of wearing layers of cumbersome clothing with endless tapes and fasteners, but by adulthood she had witnessed the pared-down simplicity of 1920s? day dresses and women wearing trousers. With the acute observation skills of a novelist, Woolf employed clothing imagery in her fiction to illuminate her characters and to give materiality to the narrative. Over the course of her writing clothing became much more than simply an illustration and began to function on multiple levels, reflecting changing attitudes to dress from the Edwardian era to the early 1940s. This talk will chart the evolution of Woolf?s clothing imagery in her fiction, focusing upon four texts that illustrate significant changes: *The Voyage Out *(1915); *Jacob?s Room* (1922); *The Years* (1937); and *Between the Acts* (1941). Claire Nicholson is Chair of the Virginia Woolf Society of GB and a Course Director for Cambridge University Institute for Continuing Education. She is co-editor of *The Women Aesthetes* (2014) and *The Voyage Out: Centenary Perspectives* (2015), and she has contributed articles to journals in the UK and USA. She was awarded her doctorate for a thesis entitled ?In Woolf?s Clothing? in 2013. This event is FREE for members only, who will receive the web link before the event. From July, we will need to make a small charge for online talks in order to cover speaker costs, as for in-person events. We are very grateful to those speakers who provided such high-quality talks gratis during lockdown, but could not expect this to continue in the long term. All online events will continue to be for members only. If you're not a member but would like to be, see the Membership page of the website: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk/membership Hope to see some of you on 11 May! Sarah Sarah M. Hall Executive Council, Virginia Woolf Society of GB Web: virginiawoolfsociety.org.uk Facebook: @VWSGB Twitter: @VirginiaWoolfGB Instagram: @virginiawoolfsociety _______________________________________________ Vwoolf mailing list Vwoolf at lists.osu.edu https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/vwoolf -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From gill.lowe1 at btopenworld.com Mon Apr 25 10:30:53 2022 From: gill.lowe1 at btopenworld.com (Gill Lowe) Date: Mon, 25 Apr 2022 15:30:53 +0100 Subject: [Vwoolf] The Bloomsbury Room Message-ID: Might interest Woolf people, Gill > > It's been six weeks... Thank you! > The Bloomsbury Room | Newsletter Update Number One > > Victoria K. Walker > Apr 25 > > > > > Good afternoon! Welcome to The Bloomsbury Room?s first newsletter update. > > Thank you! > > Firstly, I would like to thank all of you who have subscribed to The Bloomsbury Room Newsletter so far. 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