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<div>My older child (a daughter) did not want to go to college when she graduated high school in 1997. She was a good student (probably gifted in science, but not identified nor served), and I could not blame her for not wanting to go. She has been working as an aircraft maintenance technician for 14 years, and seems to enjoy it. I think that is a field where some very smart students go to chill out from the education system. Some of her classes in the aricraft maintenance technician field seemed to be as tough as engineering school.</div>
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<div>Our identified gifted son (6 years younger) went to college full time through PSEO after 8th grade. If he had not been able to go then, I am sure he would have had the same attitude about college and school by high school graduation his older sister did. My daughter did not even want to bother to attend her high school graduation.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: small;" class="gmail_default">I used to want my gifted son to excel in school and attend college. Not so much now.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: small;" class="gmail_default">He wants to just finish the part time Virtual High School curriculum and go to work.</div>
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<div style="color: rgb(0, 0, 102); font-family: verdana,sans-serif; font-size: small;" class="gmail_default">And I understand completely.</div>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Jan 4, 2015 at 4:10 PM, Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion List <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ohiogift@lists.osu.edu">ohiogift@lists.osu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>Beneath all this is the undercurrent of bigger issues. We essentially have some elite colleges promoting the status quo oligarchy approach to elite colleges for those students and parents who look at colleges as more a social status ritual for four or more years than an education system for societal needs and cultural sustenance. According to former labor secretary Reich's column <a href="http://robertreich.org/post/99923361875" target="_blank">http://robertreich.org/post/99923361875</a>, we essentially subsidize these elite colleges more through our tax code - the rich can afford to contribute (and deduct) large donations to protect their own elite schools. These schools cater to the wealthy who do not necessarily need an education to acquire quality of life sustenance or really have an interest in serving societal needs in their educational pursuits. </div>
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<div>As I recall Profesor/Dr. Murray Sperber in his book "Beer and Circus - how big time college sports has crippled undergraduate education" divides prospective students into at least four categories for their motivations to attend college. As I recall, one category is more the social frat/sorority crowd. Another is more the getting a ticket punched/credentialed for a career crowd that need or wants a decent paying job. I think another is the idealistic learn a little about everything liberal arts crowd. I forget the fourth, but can look it up.</div>
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<div>Essentially our education systems are corrupt, tax exempt "non-profit" institutions and show little respect for their critical primary mission. Otherwise, they would respect academic meritocracy more than they do and focus on their academic mission. They would spend more time recruiting and investing in gifted students rather than gifted athletes to entertain students and alumni. Some recent related columns <a href="http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/07/30/sacrificing-college-quality-on-the-alter-of-athletic-spending/" target="_blank">http://www.forbes.com/sites/ccap/2014/07/30/sacrificing-college-quality-on-the-alter-of-athletic-spending/</a></div>
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<div><a href="http://www.ohio.com/news/local/university-of-akron-students-want-to-know-how-much-of-their-fees-go-toward-athletics-1.554002" target="_blank">http://www.ohio.com/news/local/university-of-akron-students-want-to-know-how-much-of-their-fees-go-toward-athletics-1.554002</a></div>
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Here is an interesting article in Education Week about how colleges vary on credit for various post-secondary courses taken in high school. <br>
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