<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066">Thank you all for expressing so many of my own thoughts regarding gifted education and the one size for all attitude in the educational system here. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066">My son was not a "pick me" kid; he was and still is a "get me the Hell out of here" kid and his standardized test scores have fallen for four years now as he quit bothering and just "put in his time" in classes. Now all he wants is a GED asap.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066">We still struggle with his future plans but he is now 17 and if he wants to drive a garbage truck for a living, I really do not care now. Our system destroyed any desire in him for getting an education. And I toy with the idea of going into gifted ed as an instructor/advocate so this doesn't keep happening.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066">We are both disappointed with and disgusted by the educational opportunities available to those of us who cannot afford private schools for our children.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000066">K. Thurston</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Tue, Oct 7, 2014 at 3:19 PM, Gifted and Talented in Ohio Discussion List <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ohiogift@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">ohiogift@lists.osu.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal">The airline industry has designed seats that
are based on
the measurements of an average American man seated in a straight
upright
position.<span> </span>That these
measurements do not
accommodate many people is a problem.<span>
</span>This is analogous to the situation of public schools where
students are
expected to conform to “one size fits all”.<span>
</span>Any student who is at the upper end of the bell curve is
like the man
who so annoyed you on the plane because he was taller and wider
than
average.<span> </span>Did he have to be
aggressive?
No.<span> </span>But gifted and
talented children,
who by definition are outside of the norm, need to be assertive or
their different
needs will be ignored.<span> </span>What
is offered
to the rest of the class may be fine, but if it doesn’t meet their
needs they
may act out in annoying ways.<span> </span>But
what
is wrong with a student so excited about learning that they can’t
contain their
enthusiasm?<span> </span>And why
shouldn’t a child
and the parents expect that their child actually learn something
from the time
they spend in a classroom?<span> </span>It
is much
more convenient for teachers if all students are the same and fit
the seats
they are assigned. Children are different and they deserve to be
recognized for
their unique qualities even if they are outside of the average
range.<span> </span>Equal rights are
not special rights.<span> <br>
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<div>On 10/7/2014 11:52 AM, Margaret DeLacy
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<p>Friends:<br>
<br>
Below are two comments that were attached to the "Airplane
Seat theory of education" blog.<br>
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It seems to me that they encapsulate the problem TAG
advocates are facing across the country. Their children
need services but many educators believe that school is
all about learning to get along, not about educating them
to their full potential. Can we do both? <br>
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I wonder whether the "special educator" who sent in the
second message also believes that Special Education
children deserve the opportunity to experience
"deprivation, setbacks and failure" as a regular part of
their school experiences.<br>
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Margaret <br>
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Salem OR Mom<br>
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9:05 AM on October 7, 2014<br>
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My son was a "pick me". He is 14 and in Calculus and AP
Physics along with his "regular" Honors classes. He has
one of the highest SAT scores for his age in the country.
He was trying to tell you something back in 2nd grade,
were you listening or were you annoyed that he wasn't
staying with the group?<br>
A kid trying to show you that he may be drastically in the
wrong place is not a predictor of ASR or anything else but
that a child needs a different environment.<br>
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Score: 1<br>
thespecialeducator<br>
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11:18 AM on October 7, 2014<br>
<br>
He turned out well despite his "pick me" attitude in
second grade. But he probably was a pain in the you know
what to his teacher and all those around him. There is
nothing wrong whatsoever with reminding yourself that the
world doesn't cater to your or yours, we share this planet
(and tight spaces on planes) with many other people, all
of whom are just as annoyed as you are for equally good
reasons, and (worst of all for Americans) a bit of
inconvenience is actually good for the soul as it teaches
us how to handle things like deprivation, set backs, and
failure that life routinely throws at all of us.<br>
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