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<DIV>Ah...if only that were the reality, all of us would sleep better at night
and have fewer wrinkles and gray hair.</DIV>
<DIV>Sally</DIV>
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<DIV>In a message dated 4/17/2014 9:25:58 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</SPAN></B><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Calibri","sans-serif"'>
ohiogift-bounces+oas=iwaynet.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
[mailto:ohiogift-bounces+oas=iwaynet.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Colleen Grady<BR><B>Sent:</B> Wednesday, April 16, 2014 9:23
PM<BR><B>To:</B> ms118rbts@aol.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> Tagfam@listserv.icors.org;
margaretdelacy@comcast.net; Ohiogift; OATAG@yahoogroups.com;
XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ohiogift] Labelling the
gifted<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I don't mean to be indelicate, but my concern here is not
for adults or institutions so I don't care what label is used or even if a
label is used. <o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal>No disrespect to NAGC, but the idea of potentially changing
an organization's name as problematic is laughable. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>I care about what happens for these children. If ditching
the term "gifted" (or screaming like a chicken on Capitol Square at high noon)
improved opportunities for gifted children I would do it in a heartbeat. It's
just not that important. Really, it's not.<o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>And having lived through the trials, tribulations and fun
of having one of those highly gifted children (and living to tell the tale) I
I know all too well the social and emotional challenges for these kids and
their families. Knowing all that I know I would give my eye teeth to just
having these children respected as individuals and have their academic and
instructional needs of these students recognized and met. That's plenty and so
much more than what we have now. Expecting the school to be everything for
everyone is unrealistic and quite frankly weakens advocacy
efforts. <o:p></o:p></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On Wed, Apr 16, 2014 at 8:54 PM, <<A title=mailto:Ms118rbts@aol.com href="mailto:Ms118rbts@aol.com" target=_blank>Ms118rbts@aol.com</A>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Susan,<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Your
question, "If we throw away the word, then what is the National Association
for Gifted Children, in which all of these authors are major players, all
about?" is right on. <o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>We
wonder why we still keep fighting the same old battles with so little
forward progress. With third grade guarantee and other hoops to
jump through, students who have exceptional ability are often
neglected, especially when district finances are really tight. In many
cases, having the " gifted" label is the only thing that gets
students anything approaching rigorous - let alone beyond grade level
instruction and endless practice at things the student already
understands.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>It
is hard to make progress when some in the field seem to be giving
those who do not believe in gifted education ammunition like this
article!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Margaret,
I love your analogy!<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>Sally<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN style='FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: "Arial","sans-serif"; COLOR: black'>In
a message dated 4/16/2014 8:18:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, <A title=mailto:susanrakow@earthlink.net href="mailto:susanrakow@earthlink.net" target=_blank>susanrakow@earthlink.net</A>
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don't agree either because it presumes that giftedness is only about
academic intervention and school instruction and disregards, particularly
among the most highly gifted, the social and emotional aspects of
experiencing the world through a gifted mind and heart. Lots of words have
multiple connotations and sometimes the word "gifted" has baggage...but so
does autistic or Asperger's or diabetic or artist and many others. And the
fact is, that some children DO have abilities that others don't, just as
some children DO have disabilities that others don't. <BR><BR>If we throw
away the word, then what is the National Association for Gifted Children,
in which all of these authors are major players, all
about?<BR>Susan<BR><BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>>From:
Margaret DeLacy <<A title=mailto:margaretdelacy@comcast.net href="mailto:margaretdelacy@comcast.net" target=_blank>margaretdelacy@comcast.net</A>><BR>>Sent: Apr 16, 2014
8:07 PM<BR>>To: <A title=mailto:OATAG@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:OATAG@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank>OATAG@yahoogroups.com</A>, "<A title=mailto:XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank>XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com</A>" <<A title=mailto:XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com href="mailto:XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com" target=_blank>XL-PDX@yahoogroups.com</A>>, <A title=mailto:Tagfam@listserv.icors.org href="mailto:Tagfam@listserv.icors.org" target=_blank>Tagfam@listserv.icors.org</A>, <A title=mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target=_blank>Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A><BR>>Subject:
[Ohiogift] Labelling the gifted<BR>><BR>><A title=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/04/16/28peters_ep.h33.html?cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS1 href="http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/04/16/28peters_ep.h33.html?cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS1" target=_blank>http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2014/04/16/28peters_ep.h33.html?cmp=ENL-EU-NEWS1</A><BR>><BR>>Commentary<BR>>Gifted
Ed. Is Crucial, But the Label Isn't<BR>>By Scott J. Peters, Scott Barry
Kaufman, Michael S. Matthews, Matthew T. McBee, D. Betsy McCoach
<BR>><BR>>"But how does the label of "gifted" help teachers and
administrators determine the appropriate programming for students? In our
view, the term is not only unhelpful, but actually harmful to the
interests of bright students. "Gifted" is an educationally nondescript
concept, yet it also connotes an endowment that some students receive
while others do not. Moreover, the term seems to suggest that high
academic performance is a permanent quality, both due to chance and
applicable in all domains.<BR>><BR>>The truth is that "giftedness"
is irrelevant to K-12 educational decisions. What is relevant is whether
the instruction a child receives is sufficiently rigorous to challenge
that child. When that is not the case, there are many potential causes."
<BR>><BR>>Margaret comments:<BR>><BR>>I disagree with
this. I think the authors are insensitive to the realities of a
school environment where time and energy are at a premium. These
constraints make it exceedingly unlikely that a child will have access to
"rigorous" instruction without a formal procedure for identifying the
students who are likely to need significant interventions.
<BR>><BR>>Suppose I went to a nursery and said "one of my plants is
failing to thrive. What should I do?"<BR>><BR>>The nursery
worker says, "what plant is it?"<BR>><BR>>I say, "I don't
know. I don't believe in labelling my plants." <BR>><BR>>The
nursery isn't going to send someone out to my home to see what plant it
is. I don't have the time to try to figure it out. So the
plant doesn't get what it needs.<BR>><BR>>Labels are never
perfect. They are always probabilistic. Labels can be switched
or wrong. But a good label would tell a knowledgeable person what
kind of plant I probably have, how it fits in a taxonomy of plants, and
what sorts of issues it might have. For example, there are tens of
thousands of species of rhododendrons. But even if all we know is
that the plant is a rhododendron at least that would also mean it probably
needs acid soil. At least we would know to check for that issue.
<BR>><BR>>Margaret<BR>><BR>><BR>>_______________________________________________<BR>>Ohiogift
mailing list<BR>><A title=mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target=_blank>Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A><BR>><A title=https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift" target=_blank>https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift</A><BR><BR><BR>Susan
R. Rakow, Ph.D. <BR>Clinical Associate Professor, Director of Graduate
Program in Gifted Education<BR>Department of Curriculum and Foundations
<BR>Cleveland State University<BR>2485 Euclid Ave., EB374<BR>Cleveland, OH
44115-2214<BR><A title=tel:216-523-7296 href="tel:216-523-7296" target=_blank>216-523-7296</A><BR><A title=mailto:s.rakow@csuohio.edu href="mailto:s.rakow@csuohio.edu" target=_blank>s.rakow@csuohio.edu</A><BR><BR>“Modern cynics and skeptics
see no harm in paying those to whom they entrust the minds of their
children a smaller wage than is paid to those to whom they entrust the
care of their plumbing.” -John F.
Kennedy<BR><BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Ohiogift
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