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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I understand what you’re saying. The March, 2012 Factsheet #001 is the most recent one I have found, as listed on the ODE website. If anyone knows differently, please do let me know.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Here’s a scenario that prompted my initial question. . .<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Suzie Q--a 2<sup>nd</sup> grader--was administered the CogAT, Form 6, in October, 2011. Her composite SAS was a 127, which, under the January, 2011 Factsheet #001 guidelines, would ID her as <i>superior cognitive</i>. If Suzie had been a 2<sup>nd</sup> grader in October, 2012, she would have had to receive an SAS of 128 on the same normed assessment - CogAT, Form 6 for <i>superior cognitive</i> identification. Why would the cut score change using the same normed assessment? I’m trying to logically understand this. I might have to contact the ODE on this one. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank you,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Chip <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Edward A. Hawks, III, M.Ed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><hr size=5 width=460 style='width:276.0pt' noshade style='color:black' align=left></span></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Gifted Intervention Specialist <b><i>|</i></b> Exceptional Student Education</span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Kent City School District<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><hr size=5 width=460 style='width:276.0pt' noshade style='color:red' align=left></span></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>What he seemed, he was—a wholly human gentleman, the </span><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>essential elements of whose positive character were two and <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>only two, simplicity and spirituality. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>(Douglas Southall Freeman on Robert E. Lee)<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style='border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> Colleen Boyle, PhD [mailto:boyleconsulting@me.com] <br><b>Sent:</b> Saturday, February 8, 2014 12:25 AM<br><b>To:</b> Edward A. Hawks III<br><b>Cc:</b> Ohiogift Listserv<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ohiogift] CogAT, Forms 6 and 7 Question<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal>I am not sure. However, I would advise you to get rid of both of those fact sheets and rely on the current ones. (Although, I will tell you know that CogAT 7's cut score will be different for the lowest grade band on the one yet to come out because the SEM was different from Form 6 to Form 7. One of them had a different cut score for K-2 as compared to 3-12 due to SEM, and the other has a different score for K-1 as compared to 2-12 due to SEM. That grade band issue was not caught when Form 7 was added. Then again, that is why ODE has the caveat that you should always rely on the technical manuals to confirm the cut scores.) Not only are the cut scores current on the most recent sheet, but it also limits the list to the current approved instruments. Form 6 can no longer be used for gifted identification, as it came off last June, I believe, because it is outdated. ODE typically releases current approved test lists and fact sheets in December or January (new ones for this year are forthcoming - they got a little behind with staff changes in the department), so always replace your existing lists with the new ones. <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Colleen Boyle, Ph.D.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Gifted Coordinator and Educational Consultant<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Columbus, OH<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href="mailto:boyleconsulting@me.com">boyleconsulting@me.com</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Specialities:<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Educational Psychology<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Gifted Education and Psychology<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>Educational Administration<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Feb 7, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Edward A. Hawks III <<a href="mailto:eah3rd@windstream.net">eah3rd@windstream.net</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br><o:p></o:p></p><blockquote style='margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Hi, all:</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>I need some assistance understanding something, please. . .</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>On the January, 2011 Gifted Education Factsheet #001, it states that a CogAT, Form 6, SAS of 127, for K-2, identifies a student as<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><i>superior cognitive</i>. The March, 2012 revised Factsheet #001 changes that cutoff to an SAS of 128 for K-2 students. Why would the cutoff have changed from 2011 to 2012? Since the CogAT is a normed assessment, I’m trying to understand the change. I also noticed that this occurred when the ODE accepted the new CogAT, Form 7, as an approved instrument; it has an SAS cutoff of 127 for K-2, while Form 6 has a 128. How could the norms have changed when applied to the same assessment (i.e., Form 6)?</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Thank you for your help,</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>Chip</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Edward A. Hawks, III, M.Ed.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=5 width=460 style='width:276.0pt' noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=left></span></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Gifted Intervention Specialist<span class=apple-converted-space> </span><b><i>|</i></b><span class=apple-converted-space> </span>Exceptional Student Education</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Kent City School District</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><hr size=5 width=460 style='width:276.0pt' noshade style='color:#A0A0A0' align=left></span></div></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>What he seemed, he was—a wholly human gentleman, the</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>essential elements of whose positive character were two and</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>only two, simplicity and spirituality.</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>(Douglas Southall Freeman on Robert E. Lee)</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"'>_______________________________________________<br>Ohiogift mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu"><span style='color:#954F72'>Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</span></a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift"><span style='color:#954F72'>https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>