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<DIV>Kim.</DIV>
<DIV>In a word, seriously? This administration has had gifted kids in its sights
since they came into office, as demonstrated by their attempt to eliminate
gifted funding in the previous budget cycle.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Prior to this governor (and in current gifted operating standards)
service was linked through unit funding of staff, and qualified
coordination services had to be place before funding could flow for
GIS units. Even in Strickland's last budget, while money was not in "units" the
staffing and funds were delineated. There were -and still are-excellent
reasons for that. Very few educators other than trained specialists and
coordinators have any coursework in gifted education or the needs and
nature of gifted students. In the last two years, some districts have been able
to circumvent the coordinator qualifications by assigning the duties to someone
with another job responsibility and then not reporting them as coordinator in
EMIS. The people with two job titles do not spend 50% of their time with gifted
work, yet districts are using gifted funds to support their employment. What is
confusing about knowing a district had money for gifted education, but used it
on something else?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As I testified in House and Senate committees, the gifted coordinator and
GISs are often the only voices in a district (along with parents) who are
speaking on behalf of gifted students. One only has to call on personal
experience, or read the testimony of parents and students who came to the
hearings, to understand the importance of the coordinator and GIS. There are
many coordinator services that are a component of quality gifted programs, that
are no longer available in districts without qualified staff.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>On what basis would you begin to estimate gifted ed program cost without
considering personnel? How does one determine the cost of educating any other
population without considering staff? OAGC has proposed using information from
previous gifted cost studies as well as a conducting a new one to determine the
price tag. The House provided for a cost study, but the Senate took it
out. The Governor took it a step further when he line-itemed the
language to make districts actually spend the money for staff the way it was
intended. How does taking out the language help in any
way get people to a " ‘base comfort level’ with the notion of
gifted ed as a non-discretionary piece of the education process" ?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>People are "screaming bloody murder" about all kinds of things without
knowing anything about school finance. Actually, that fits in really well with
the current administration's agenda to conduct business in private (JobsOhio,
for example) and keep the taxpayers in the dark. Bill Phillis put it best in his
testimony (when questioned by one of the Senators) that, as a taxpayer, he had
the right to know where his tax dollars were going. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I am hoping - and will be working- to make gifted language more
secure in the next budget by electing a different governor. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sally</DIV></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 7/1/2013 7:43:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
kdoucher@doucher.com writes:</DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">Inasmuch
as the line-item veto was as to staffing requirements only, I believe there
may actually have been non-dastardly motivation on the Governor’s part.
Recall that people are already screaming bloody murder about personnel costs
within districts. From a simple strategic perspective, it makes sense to
separate the cost of gifted ed programs from the cost of gifted ed program
staff.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">To
my understanding, some districts already have a program coordinator position
in their TO but did not necessarily fill it with a gifted-certified
administrator (which they would have been required to do under the pre-veto
language). Those districts that did not already have a program
coordinator position within their TO would be required to create the position
and then fill it with a gifted-certified administrator. That’s likely to
confuse taxpayers and draw focus away from the need for the programs
themselves (and onto added personnel costs).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">By
splitting the two concerns and by saving the ‘programs’ but cutting the
‘staff’ piece, the cost isn’t as dramatic and it’s not borne as ‘personnel
costs.’ As such, the gifted ed language is likely to be much more secure
in the next budget cycle (and in proposed legislative
changes).<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">There’s
no question that the programming won’t be nearly as effective (perhaps
ineffective in some areas?) without the appropriate GIC in place but it’s a
good opportunity to get people comfortable with the gifted ed mandate
first. Just as with IDEA special ed programming, the key here (in my
humble opinion) is to establish a ‘base comfort level’ with the notion of
gifted ed as a non-discretionary piece of the education
process.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">Bottom
line: There do exist some rational bases for JK’s line-item
decision. Whether or not he used them in his decision-making is
unclear. I’m not at all a mind-reader and I’ve been particularly
unsuccessful in understanding many of JK’s actions but I’d prefer to win a
small war than a big battle.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'; COLOR: #44546a">-Kim
Doucher<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Tahoma','sans-serif'">From:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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ohiogift-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
[mailto:ohiogift-bounces@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>anngift@aol.com<BR><B>Sent:</B> Monday, July 1, 2013 9:51 AM<BR><B>To:</B>
heather.cachat@swcs.us<BR><B>Cc:</B>
Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Ohiogift] Impact
of Kasich veto<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">The
gifted unit and identification funding is still in the formula. What is not
there is the very specific language that indicated that unit funding for
coordinators would only be used for coordinators and the unit funding for
gifted intervention specialists would only be used for gifted intervention
specialists. It is clear that the governor's intent was to untether any ties
between specific spending of gifted funds to personnel. However, the unit
funding formula is still intact, which is by definition funding tied to gifted
personnel. And, while watered down the subgroup accountability section still
indicates that subgroup spending is to be spent on the subgroups. <BR><BR>I
don't think the removal of the language actually stops the ODE unit allocation
process as was done in previous years. The veto just makes things very murky.
I'm sure if the governor had his way he would moved the formula back to the
$50 per ADM, but the governor can only delete language in a line item veto. He
cannot change language. If he deleted the formula he would have decreased
funding to districts, which would have caused a bigger upset. <BR><BR>The
bottom line is that with over 5500 pages in this bill, there were only 22 line
item vetoes, and gifted children were targeted. That is a strong anti-gifted
message. <BR><BR>--Ann<BR><BR><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal style="MARGIN-BOTTOM: 12pt"><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black">-----Original
Message-----<BR>From: Heather Cachat <<A
title=mailto:heather.cachat@swcs.us
href="mailto:heather.cachat@swcs.us">heather.cachat@swcs.us</A>><BR>To:
anngift <<A title=mailto:anngift@aol.com
href="mailto:anngift@aol.com">anngift@aol.com</A>><BR>Cc: Ohiogift <<A
title=mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu
href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</A>><BR>Sent:
Mon, Jul 1, 2013 9:17 am<BR>Subject: Re: [Ohiogift] Kasich officially decides
gifted children don't matter<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black">Ann, How will this affect
kids, personnel, and districts? I want to help others understand what means
(and to an extent clarify for myself). For the next two years will
districts have to support programming out of their general funds? Will there
be no support for mandatory testing?</SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black">Heather Cachat</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black">Gifted Intervention
Specialist</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black">Holt Crossing
Intermediate</SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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title=http://www.swcs.us/~heather.cachat
href="http://www.swcs.us/~heather.cachat"
target=_blank>www.swcs.us/~heather.cachat</A></SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black"><A
title=http://www.diigo.com/user/hacachat
href="http://www.diigo.com/user/hacachat"
target=_blank>www.diigo.com/user/hacachat</A></SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black">Twitter: <A
title=http://twitter.com/HeatherCachat href="http://twitter.com/HeatherCachat"
target=_blank>http://twitter.com/HeatherCachat</A></SPAN><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: 'Arial','sans-serif'; COLOR: black"><o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><B><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; COLOR: black"><<A
title=mailto:anngift@aol.com
href="mailto:anngift@aol.com">anngift@aol.com</A>> writes:</SPAN></B><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; BACKGROUND: #d0d0d0; COLOR: black">#2 on
Kasich veto list: </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; BACKGROUND: #d0d0d0; COLOR: black">gifted
funding spent on gifted children. </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-FAMILY: 'Geneva','serif'; BACKGROUND: #d0d0d0; COLOR: black">Not
sure I have anything else to say except for that no 1 on the list was some
business about spider monkeys... Yeah. </SPAN><SPAN
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
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