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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><a name="_MailEndCompose"><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>Mary’s point about the military can also equate to corporate. If someone tends to ‘mess up’, let’s promote him! <o:p></o:p></span></a></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>I agree with Margaret’s comments; giftedness does not always equate to being highly successful based on society’s standards. Research has shown that successful CEOs are not the Einsteins. They are bright, yet innovative and possess good management skills. Many average individuals have impeccable managerial and organizational skills. The one whose thoughts are all scattered will likely not be in that position. One question I ask my students each year, after some basic discussion, is whether they would rather be an Einstein or Edison and to explain why. We see Edison’s legacy all around us. Einstein’s genius produced some of the most debated theories, which still baffle us today. Their responses are interesting. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>I also think it’s important to remember that there are different types and levels of giftedness. If John is a high-ability math kid, it doesn’t necessarily mean he is going to become a mathematical genius. Nor is Jane’s 150 IQ and love of medicine foretelling that she will be the one to find a cure for anything. We put too much pressure on our gifted children, at times, and expect more than they are developmentally ready to deliver. I believe in realistic challenges that will stretch their minds yet provide a positive outcome. A 127 IQ v. a 160 IQ will yield noticeably different results in children combined in one resource room. There’s also the threshold for creativity, in which the 127 would more than likely exhibit, as opposed to the 160. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>For some, the pursuit of happiness is measured on their success. Success makes them happy; failure does not. An individual’s happiness is determined by that individual. We can’t stereotype happiness. We can only provide the necessary tools to help an individual determine her own course and, hopefully, reach the top of her designated mountain—not the parent’s—on her own time-frame . . . not that of society. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>Good discussion,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'>Chip<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>Edward A. Hawks, III, M.Ed.<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'><hr size=5 width=506 style='width:271.9pt' noshade style='color:black' align=left></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>Gifted Intervention Specialist <b>/</b> Exceptional Student Education<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>Kent City School District<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div><div class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:red'><hr size=5 width=507 style='width:272.4pt' noshade style='color:red' align=left></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>“What he seemed, he was—a wholly human gentleman, the <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>essential elements of whose positive character were two and <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>only two, simplicity and spirituality.” <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#003399'>(Douglas Southall Freeman on Robert E. Lee)<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Cambria","serif";color:#003399'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> ohiogift-bounces+eah3rd=windstream.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:ohiogift-bounces+eah3rd=windstream.net@lists.service.ohio-state.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Sandra Warren<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, June 23, 2013 9:38 AM<br><b>To:</b> (Mary Collier)<br><b>Cc:</b> Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Ohiogift] ungiftedness<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>Well said, Margaret! <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Sandra :-)<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 5:42 AM, (Mary Collier) <<a href="mailto:redfoxmary@aol.com" target="_blank">redfoxmary@aol.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Thank you, Margaret, for saying what I wanted to say, but you did it so well. I also was bothered with the "success" and intelligence relationship and how "success" is defined. Many "successful" people also end up in prison. In the military there was a saying "rank times IQ is equal to a constant" which was a sad/humorous way of saying, the more intelligent you were, the less likely you were to achieve higher rank.<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>Mary Collier<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black'>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Margaret DeLacy <<a href="mailto:margaretdelacy@comcast.net" target="_blank">margaretdelacy@comcast.net</a>><br>To: Ohiogift <<a href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>Sent: Sun, Jun 23, 2013 1:17 am<br>Subject: [Ohiogift] ungiftedness<o:p></o:p></span></p><div><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>>challenge the conventional wisdom about the childhood predictors of adult <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>success<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Speaking just for myself, I am frustrated when I see comments about how "gifted <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>programs" have failed if their graduates turn out to be "ordinary" and don't <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>turn out to be distinguished or "successful" by some outside standard. I want <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>to grab these authors by the lapels and scream "that's just the point!" I <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>believe that most parents of children with physical disabilities or intellectual <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>disabilities want their children to have as normal a life as possible. That is <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>just what I want for my own children. I don't expect my children to become <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>"great". I just want them to survive school with their spirits mostly intact.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>There are indeed many paths to greatness. Many great men and women had terrible <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>childhoods, but I didn't abuse my own children in the hope that some day they <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>would write a best-selling memoir about it. Similarly, I didn't want to see my <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>children abused in school, even if it turned them into distinguished individuals <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>down the road. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>That is one of the reasons I am uncomfortable with the new NAGC definition of <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>giftedness. It seems to be about what society wants from gifted children. I am <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>more interested in seeing them engaged in school, happy in their relationships <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>and satisfied with their eventual occupations, however humble. Maybe Kaufmann <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>has the same point of view--I will read the book (eventually) and find out. But <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>I reject the claim that we should identify gifted students in order to predict <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>adult success. We should identify gifted students to find those for whom <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>regular classroom instruction is inappropriate so the level and pace of <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>instruction can be modified and they don't go crazy sitting in class. <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>The founding fathers didn't write about life, liberty and success. They wrote <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>about life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Why should we want less for <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>our children? <o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>In any case, thank you Art for letting me know about the book.<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Margaret<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'>Ohiogift mailing list<o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu" target="_blank">Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre><pre><tt><span style='color:black'><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift" target="_blank">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift</a><o:p></o:p></span></tt></pre></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Ohiogift mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu">Ohiogift@lists.service.ohio-state.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift" target="_blank">https://lists.service.ohio-state.edu/mailman/listinfo/ohiogift</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='color:red'>COMING IN JULY!</span></b> -- <b><i><span style='color:#8E7CC3'>Arlie the Alligator</span></i></b><i> </i>on eBook and Amazon - same story - wonderful songs -NEW illustrations all newly packaged! <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Author of Arlie the Alligator and other books for children and adults!<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.sandrawarren.com" target="_blank">www.sandrawarren.com</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://www.arliebooks.com/" target="_blank">www.arliebooks.com</a> <br><a href="http://sandrawarrenwrites.blogspot.com/" target="_blank">http://sandrawarrenwrites.blogspot.com</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://twitter.com/SandraWarrenNC" target="_blank">http://twitter.com/SandraWarrenNC</a> <o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></body></html>