[Ohiogift] State Grade Card info

[Colleen Boyle, PhD]

The thing is that superior cognitive ability really is sort of the "trump card" of gifted identification.  It is the only area that many other states - and psychologists - refer to as "gifted," as it is the label for students who would have a high IQ (or similar type of ability).  No, these students do not always have high reading or math achievement.  But, given their high ability potential, they should.  Remember, these students are in the top 2-5% of the population in cognitive processing - memory, reasoning, processing speed, etc.  Other things sometimes get in the way for some kids - social-emotional needs (which are often amplified in superior cognitive students as compared to other areas of identification), early learning experiences that create an identity in the child that assumes work should be easy (leading to frustration, perfectionism, or underachievement when a challenge arrives), lack of real challenge opportunities, a second exceptionality, etc.   But, all things being equal, superior cognitive students not only should be achieving high in math and/or reading, they should be growing at a faster rate than even other gifted identified students.   For that reason, it actually makes sense that these students would be included in the gifted subgroup.  

Colleen Boyle, Ph.D.
Gifted Coordinator and Educational Consultant
Columbus, OH
boyleconsulting at me.com

Specialities:
Educational Psychology
Gifted Education and Psychology
Educational Administration





On Dec 4, 2013, at 10:44 AM, Becky Quinn <Becky.Quinn at ChagrinSchools.org> wrote:

> The problem with this use of gifted ID’s is that assessments for the purpose of gifted identification in the area of Superior Cognitive Ability do not necessarily have a correlation with Math and/or Reading achievement and/or giftedness (if they did, then wouldn’t ALL students who had a Superior Cognitive ID also have an ID in Math and/or Reading???).   Similarly, the list of ODE-approved assessments which may yield an ID in the area of Superior Cognitive Ability vary significantly, with some providing completely non-verbal assessment items.  For example, if a student is identified as gifted in Superior Cognitive Ability via the NNAT or Raven Progressive Matrices, does this mean that he/she should naturally be expected to score high in Reading??? 
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> I’m truly all for accountability and ensuring that we are growing all students (including our most gifted students)….I simply believe that the current use of ID’s  is problematic and does not correctly account for the distinct areas of giftedness.
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> From: ohiogift-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:ohiogift-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf OfBodart, Barbara (Licking County ESC)
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:34 AM
> To: JShoemaker at limacityschools.org
> Cc: Ohiogift at lists.service.ohio-state.edu; ohiogift-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> Subject: Re: [Ohiogift] State Grade Card info
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> Yes, any student identified in those specific areas (math, reading, cog and only in the applicable subject areas) in any grade regardless of service or not—at least that was the case for the 2013 report card.  The future?  Well, who knows?
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> And yes, high school and as well as any student identified in any grade will affect the overall grade.
> Barb
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> Barb Bodart, Gifted Coordinator
> Licking County Educational Service Center
> 145 North Quentin Road
> Newark, Ohio 43055
> 740-349-6096
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> From: JShoemaker at limacityschools.org [mailto:JShoemaker at limacityschools.org] 
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 10:07 AM
> To: Bodart, Barbara (Licking County ESC)
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> Subject: Re: [Ohiogift] State Grade Card info
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> So would students in high school also be counted in the district gifted grade card? We service students 3-8th grades only. Does that have any effect on the overall gifted grade? 
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> So its only those who are sup. cog or sup. academic in math and reading that count toward that gifted grade? 
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> Yes, your email did help. Thanks. 
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> Jeffrey Shoemaker
> Lima City Schools Gifted Intervention Specialist
> West Middle School
> 503 North Cable Road, Lima, OH 45805
> Telephone:419-996-3279
> Fax:419-996-3151
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> From:        "Bodart, Barbara (Licking County ESC)" <bbodart at laca.org> 
> To:        "JShoemaker at limacityschools.org" <JShoemaker at limacityschools.org> 
> Cc:        "Ohiogift at lists.service.ohio-state.edu" <Ohiogift at lists.service.ohio-state.edu> 
> Date:        12/04/2013 09:38 AM 
> Subject:        Re: [Ohiogift] State Grade Card info 
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> Hello Jeffrey, 
> Gifted on the report card this year is based on just one year’s data because it is the first time the specific areas of giftedness have been disaggregated.  The progress of students identified as gifted in math and/or cognitive were counted on math, and students identified as gifted in reading and/or cognitive were counted in reading, based on the OAA tests in those subjects.  It is all children in the district counted as gifted in those specific areas as reflected in EMIS, not just those children seen by the gifted specialist.  Those scores are then combined to come up with a composite score. 
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> However, you should know that the calculation to determine the grade is based on a formula similar to the teacher reports and not as it is calculated when you receive your value added reports.  The grade card takes the overall estimated gain of the students and divides that by the standard error to come up with a growth index.  Then there is a chart that tells you the grade based upon that growth index.  A score equal or greater than 2 gives a district an A.  A score less than -2 gives a district or school an F.  Keep in mind that a C equates to average growth, meaning that they are performing as expected.  On the right side of the report card under progress if you click on view more data you will see a breakdown by grade of the district’s overall combined progress by grade level and under the colorful chart is the breakdown of index scores and the grade associated with each. 
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> In contrast the value added calculation takes the estimated mean gain of the group, and compares it to the standard error.  Anything beyond two standard errors gives you an above average rating or a dark green.  Anything below two standard errors gives you a below expected growth or  red.   
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> Hope that helps, 
> Barb 
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> Barb Bodart, Gifted Coordinator 
> Licking County Educational Service Center 
> 145 North Quentin Road 
> Newark, Ohio 43055 
> 740-349-6096 
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> From: ohiogift-bounces+bbodart=laca.org at lists.service.ohio-state.edu [mailto:ohiogift-bounces+bbodart=laca.org at lists.service.ohio-state.edu] On Behalf Of JShoemaker at limacityschools.org
> Sent: Wednesday, December 04, 2013 8:44 AM
> To: OhioGift ListServ; ohiogift-bounces at lists.service.ohio-state.edu
> Subject: [Ohiogift] State Grade Card info 
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> I have a few questions if anyone has some idea to the answers I would appreciate it. A few of my colleagues were in a meeting yesterday and were trying to figure out what were the subgroups that gifted gets graded on for the state grade card. Going further, does anyone know what factors go into the gifted grade on the grade state grade card. Last year we recieved an 'F', but we were not sure of why. Can anyone help so I can explain it to my colleagues? 
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> Thanks 
> 
> Jeffrey Shoemaker
> Lima City Schools Gifted Intervention Specialist
> West Middle School
> 503 North Cable Road, Lima, OH 45805
> Telephone:419-996-3279
> Fax:419-996-3151
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