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If it helps, a quick check is that it does include the daughters. The percentages used are the decay percentages , so not quite the percentage values at transient equilibrium (which are about 10% higher). But it does give the 1<sup>st</sup> and 2<sup>nd</sup> HVL
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<div>UPDATE: I made a rookie error. Dr. Reagan Dugan pointed out that the Smith/Stabin table only provides HVL data for that isotope and not the daughter products.</div>
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<div>Thank you for pointing that out! I'll update the group. Someone else sent me a Canadian paper that states 11.2 for 1st HVL and 15.2 for 2nd. So all this makes more sense!!</div>
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<div>If I'm reading the Stabin paper correctly, they didn't combine emissions from parent/daughter, so that HVL for Pb-212 would only be accounting for the Pb-212 gamma emissions (238 keV mostly). If you scroll down the list a bit to Tl-208, the HVL is 15.5
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<div>I haven't had to do shielding designs for alpha emitters yet, but I'd probably base the design off the Tl-208 data since those are the primary gammas used for imaging. Trying to account for the entire decay chain will probably require monte carlo simulations
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<div>For our clinical trials here we've just been using one of our pluvicto rooms in PET which were shielded for F18 before any of the theranostics stuff took off. We haven't gone through the math yet, but I think we're operating under the assumption that the
workload for the trials is so low that the existing shielding is fine. For newer rooms we've just been assuming a full workload of Lu-177 therapies using the TG-313 archer coefficients. </div>
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<div>If you end up working through the math for the alpha emitters, I'd love to see what you come up with if you're willing to share. </div>
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Greetings! I am dipping my toe into shielding requirements for theranostics. One of the hot new isotopes of course is Pb-212. I had looked at its decay chain a while back and saw a rather high-yield MeV emission from its daughter Tl-208 and</div>
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<div>I am dipping my toe into shielding requirements for theranostics. One of the hot new isotopes of course is Pb-212. I had looked at its decay chain a while back and saw a rather high-yield MeV emission from its daughter Tl-208 and figured we could forget
about a reasonable amount of lead. We'd have to use time and distance. HOWEVER today, I thought to look at the Smith and Stabin paper that lists 1000+ isotopes with their gamma rate factors and HVL, etc. data. Pb-212 is listed as having an HVL of only 0.756
mm Pb, which is about 1/7th the HVL they list for F-18! I understand that F-18 is almost 100% positron decay, but I still find this difference in HVL incredible.</div>
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<div>Before going down a wild rabbit hole, I figured I'd probe the list for any other insights into Pb-212. We are starting a clinical trial soon using it, and I've been tasked with writing up a Radiation Safety SOP. In addition, we are doing a reno of one
of our NM departments, and they would like to add dedicated theranostic injection rooms... so trying to see what kind of lead to put in the walls. (It's truly an impossible task, but I'm giving it my "college try.")</div>
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