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<div>I’ll leave it to the Heb-NACOers to advise as to the romanization of <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: yellow; font-size: 11pt;">גידייוס. </span>As for <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background-color: yellow; font-size: 11pt;">פרימיר
בולומין</span>, that’s “primer volumen,” i.e., volume 1 — or if there’s no diacritic above or apostrophe next to the letter ב I guess it ought to be romanized “bolumen.” A problem with Ladino romanization is that the vowel yod can be romanized either “i” or
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<div>There’s no authoritative Ladino dictionary, unfortunately. The most comprehensive one that I’m aware of is the <i>Dictionnaire du judéo-espagnole</i>, by Joseph Nehama (Madrid, 1977), and it is entirely in the Latin alphabet. David Bunis produced the excellent,
academic-level <i>A Dictionary of the Hebrew and Aramaic Elements in Modern Judezmo</i> (Jerusalem, 1993) — but of course it does not include words like <span style="font-family: Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14.666667px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 0);">פרימיר
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<div>On Jul 8, 2024, at 4:26 PM, Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu> wrote:</div>
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Could it be just a typo/or not clear ט and be בולוטין?</div>
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I do not have the text. but ... just a guess.</div>
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<font face="Calibri, sans-serif" style="font-size: 11pt;"><b>From:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+galron.1=osu.edu@lists.osu.edu> on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 8, 2024 7:21:44 PM<br>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hi, Caroline, thank you for your question. I agree that having a list of Judeo language experts would be helpful.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">For now, you can find Ladino guidance on the wiki’s General Resources<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/144076596/General*20resources__;JQ!!KGKeukY!0KsWEE7qH1OD79bmx0J6OgmjcPUusHdwET-uCZKWz6VhmuddaPGPOp2HkdX7r_ugYo20Fb_xx6Jnp5EhMuRSuw$" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">page</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in
the Languages section. The libguide was created by Gabriel Mordoch, copied here. The Ladino romanization table is found on the wiki’s Documentation<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/144076554/Documentation__;!!KGKeukY!0KsWEE7qH1OD79bmx0J6OgmjcPUusHdwET-uCZKWz6VhmuddaPGPOp2HkdX7r_ugYo20Fb_xx6Jnp5EPNI3krQ$" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">page</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>in
the Standards section and has many examples, but specific guidance by an expert is always best. A Ladino cataloging terminology guide is also found on the Documentation page in the general guidance for languages section; unfortunately, there’s nothing there
for<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">בולימין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.</span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">My stab at the first word is Jidhios. Primer would be the first word of the expression,<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">פרימיר
בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Per the historic<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://folkmasa.org/milon/yachad2.php?mishtane=bu__;!!KGKeukY!0KsWEE7qH1OD79bmx0J6OgmjcPUusHdwET-uCZKWz6VhmuddaPGPOp2HkdX7r_ugYo20Fb_xx6Jnp5Hj-GIIJQ$" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">dictionary</a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>of
Spanyolit hosted by<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://folkmasa.org/av.htm__;!!KGKeukY!0KsWEE7qH1OD79bmx0J6OgmjcPUusHdwET-uCZKWz6VhmuddaPGPOp2HkdX7r_ugYo20Fb_xx6Jnp5GciyizSw$" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">Mekhon
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is a seal or stamp (search using English script, “bu”). Perhaps<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">פרימיר בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>is
equivalent to first impression?</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">Hope this is a helpful start. Kol ṭuv, Jasmin</span></div>
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<b><span style="font-size: 11pt;">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Miller,
Caroline via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Monday, July 8, 2024 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>[Heb-NACO] Ladino cataloging help needed</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 1pt; color: white;">Heb-NACOers, Is anyone out there comfortable with the ALA/LC Ladino romanization table? I have some high school Spanish (from many decades ago!) and can piece together words and I’m doing the best I can with the romanization
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">Is anyone out there comfortable with the ALA/LC Ladino romanization table? I have some high school Spanish (from many decades ago!) and can piece together words and I’m doing the best I can with the romanization table.</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">I’m having trouble romanizing </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background: yellow;">גידייוס</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.
The<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">ג</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">has
a hacek on top. My attempt was Jidyos. Am I close? At least I know it means “Jews.”</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">My other problem is identifying what I believe could be an edition statement (or not): <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif; background: yellow;">פרימיר
בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. The<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">פ</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt;"></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">has
a dagesh. I’m guessing the first word means “first.” I can’t figure out what<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;">בולומין</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size: 11pt;"><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span><span style="font-size: 11pt;">is.
I don’t have a Ladino dictionary of any sort (I’m ordering one) and Google Translate doesn’t have Ladino as an option. Does this phrase indicate an edition statement?</span><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Arial, sans-serif;"></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">FWIW, I’m deriving NLI’s Hebrew record for this book (OCLC #233177838).<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">I think it would be helpful to know who in our cataloging community has expertise in less common Hebraic script languages like Ladino and Judeo-Arabic. It used to be that Zachary Baker (now retired) was the expert in Ladino and
Rachel Simon and Joan Biella (both retired) were the experts in Judeo-Arabic. If there are experts in some of the other Hebraic script languages besides those (i.e. Judeo-Tajik, Judeo-Persian, etc.), it would be great to know that as well!</span></div>
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<span style="font-size: 11pt;">Thanks in advance for your help.</span></div>
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