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<div dir="auto">Could it be just a typo/or not clear ט and be בולוטין?</div>
<div dir="auto">I do not have the text. but ... just a guess.</div>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Ladino cataloging help needed</font>
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Hi, Caroline, thank you for your question. I agree that having a list of Judeo language experts would be helpful. For now, you can find Ladino guidance on the wiki’s General Resources page in the Languages section. The libguide was created
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi, Caroline, thank you for your question. I agree that having a list of Judeo language experts would be helpful.
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For now, you can find Ladino guidance on the wiki’s General Resources
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page</a> in the Languages section. The libguide was created by Gabriel Mordoch, copied here. The Ladino romanization table is found on the wiki’s Documentation
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page</a> in the Standards section and has many examples, but specific guidance by an expert is always best. A Ladino cataloging terminology guide is also found on the Documentation page in the general guidance for languages section; unfortunately, there’s nothing
there for </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בולימין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My stab at the first word is Jidhios. Primer would be the first word of the expression,
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">פרימיר בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Per the historic
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dictionary</a> of Spanyolit hosted by <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http://folkmasa.org/av.htm__;!!KGKeukY!0KsWEE7qH1OD79bmx0J6OgmjcPUusHdwET-uCZKWz6VhmuddaPGPOp2HkdX7r_ugYo20Fb_xx6Jnp5GciyizSw$">
Mekhon Ma‘aleh Adumim</a>, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בולו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> (bulu)
is a seal or stamp (search using English script, “bu”). Perhaps </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">פרימיר בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
is equivalent to first impression?</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hope this is a helpful start. Kol ṭuv, Jasmin</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 8, 2024 6:09 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Ladino cataloging help needed</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Heb-NACOers, Is anyone out there comfortable with the ALA/LC Ladino romanization table? I have some high school Spanish (from many decades ago!) and can piece together words and I’m
doing the best I can with the romanization table. I’m having </span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Heb-NACOers,</span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is anyone out there comfortable with the ALA/LC Ladino romanization table? I have some high school Spanish (from many decades ago!) and can piece together words and I’m doing the best I can with the romanization
table.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m having trouble romanizing </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:yellow">גידייוס</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.
The </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">ג</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">has a hacek on top. My attempt was Jidyos. Am I close? At least I know it means “Jews.”</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">My other problem is identifying what I believe could be an edition statement (or not):
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; background:yellow">פרימיר בולומין</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. The
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">פ</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">has a dagesh. I’m guessing the first word means “first.” I can’t figure out what
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בולומין</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt">is. I don’t have a Ladino dictionary of any sort (I’m ordering one) and Google Translate doesn’t have Ladino as an option. Does this phrase indicate an edition statement?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"> </span></p>
<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">FWIW, I’m deriving NLI’s Hebrew record for this book (OCLC #233177838).<span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I think it would be helpful to know who in our cataloging community has expertise in less common Hebraic script languages like Ladino and Judeo-Arabic. It used to be that Zachary Baker (now retired) was
the expert in Ladino and Rachel Simon and Joan Biella (both retired) were the experts in Judeo-Arabic. If there are experts in some of the other Hebraic script languages besides those (i.e. Judeo-Tajik, Judeo-Persian, etc.), it would be great to know that
as well!</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks in advance for your help.</span></p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Caroline</span></p>
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