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I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense. If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the HCM-RDA guidance indicates the practice
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<p class="MsoNormal">I guess the question boils down to whether there’s a geresh or gershayim between the yods. If so, the Princeton form makes sense.
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<p class="MsoNormal">If it’s just two yods next to each other, though, with no <”>, the
<i>HCM-RDA</i> guidance indicates the practice is to represent the letters as they appear (and as seen in the other LC records), Y.Y..<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Kol tuv, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>; Miller, Caroline <crmiller@library.ucla.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Fwd: Name of divinity<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also. https: //library. princeton. edu/departments/tsd/katmandu/hebrew/y8. html
Cheers ---------- Forwarded <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For me, "Yeya" works just fine since it's supported both in the targumim and in Even Shoshan. Too, Princeton advises its use also.<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: <strong><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Shinohara, Jasmin</span></strong> <<a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu">jshino@upenn.edu</a>><br>
Date: Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 3:39 PM<br>
Subject: RE: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity<br>
To: Robert M. TALBOTT <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>>, Miller, Caroline <<a href="mailto:crmiller@library.ucla.edu">crmiller@library.ucla.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">There are exactly 2 records in LC that use Yeya (the one you cite and lccn2011383449, which oddly has both Yeya and Yeyi). In contrast, there are several more records that use Y.Y.
So much for “past practice”. I’m also not sure that anyone, with the exception of scholars, are aware that there is a vocalized form, or how useful that form is to the user.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The
<i>HCM-RDA </i>specifies: “<span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"ArialUnicodeMS",sans-serif">Abbreviations representing the Tetragrammaton are romanized as they appear.”
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Just my half pfennig…<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+jshino=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, March 7, 2024 6:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Miller, Caroline <<a href="mailto:crmiller@library.ucla.edu" target="_blank">crmiller@library.ucla.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Name of divinity<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e. g. Exodus 35: 1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC
46431749). It seems to me that if it's pointed and already past practice, there's no reason to
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">It's pointed with a sheva and a kamats in Onkelos and in Targum Yonatan (e.g. Exodus 35:1), romanized as Yeya by LC in the past (OCLC 46431749). It seems to me that if it's pointed
and already past practice, there's no reason to further complicate the issue with initialisms.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Mar 7, 2024 at 2:50 PM Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">אלה מועדי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. . . . How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The third word of a title I have is a divine name (double yod):
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">How would I transcribe this? HCM only includes instructions for the Tetragrammaton and some one letter abbreviations on p. 30.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.<o:p></o:p></p>
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