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<div dir="auto">Isn’t it because it’s a foreign-derived word?</div><div dir="auto">Barry </div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Dec 14, 2023 at 9:39 AM Frau-Cortes, Neil via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the dalet. As for Dyok. an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd,
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<p class="MsoNormal">For what it’s worth, Morfix/Rav Milim has a sheva and of course a daguesh on the dalet.<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><u></u> <u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">As for Dyok.an, I know this is not about intuitiveness or being user-friendly, but this double consonant at the beginning of a word looks extremely odd, no matter if you consider the second one a semi-consonant.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="ES-TRAD" style="color:#1f4e79">Neil M. Frau-Cortes
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>> <b>On Behalf Of
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, December 14, 2023 9:07 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@upenn.edu</a>>; heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דיוקן</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">דיוקן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> with a Sheva under the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva
under the </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>? If it appears with a Sheva what is
the grammatical reason for the romanization <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay: It shows
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">דיוקן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> with a Sheva under the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>. Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva
under the </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>? If it appears with a Sheva what is
the grammatical reason for the romanization <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Hi, I don't have access to E-S at home so I checked my Alkalay:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">It shows
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">דיוקן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> with a
Sheva under the </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Does it appear in E-S with or without a Sheva under the
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">If it appears with a Sheva what is the grammatical reason for the romanization is to be "dyoḳan".<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Aptos",sans-serif;color:black">Thanks, Heidi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin
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<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] romanization: </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דיוקן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="HE"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan (not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">דיוקן
של פרשן ר' אברהם אבן עזרא</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>), you may wish to update your local records. The word is found
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<p class="m_5425848213780939610xmsonormal">Hi, a friendly reminder that the above (foreign loan) word is romanized dyoḳan (not deyoḳan). For the 24 libraries with holdings on on 1293219371 (<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">דיוקן של פרשן ר' אברהם
אבן עזרא</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>), you may wish to update your local records.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="m_5425848213780939610xmsonormal">The word is found in the Romanization <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/rascat.pbworks.com/w/page/109347700/Romanization*20FAQ__;JQ!!KGKeukY!wmC5mtgWgky00b84jV4Z_c_B3ZPRrCvBJvhJbhb5zfpSHI6uSTGej1NGDLCGEKh_-w03UJFufVxyaJVNwZEMlQ$" target="_blank">
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<p class="m_5425848213780939610xmsonormal">Thanks, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></p>
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