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Marlene, The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization) The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5. 13, vocalized with a kamets, just as
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marlene,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization)<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5.13, vocalized
<b>with a kamets,</b> just as you surmised.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Shanah tovah u-metukah,<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Clifford Miller<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu> <b>On Behalf Of
</b>Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@upenn.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שם ועבר</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Jasmin, Quick question: Shem ve-Ever? Shem va-Ever? I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally! Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah? Thanks,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">חג שמח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> MRS Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman Library
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Hi Jasmin,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Shem va-Ever?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Thanks, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">חג שמח</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">MRS</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Marlene Schiffman<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Metadata and Services Department<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Gottesman Library<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Yeshiva University<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">500 West 185<sup>th</sup> Street<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">New York, N.Y. 10033<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Gottesman Library<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu.edu@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces+schiffma=yu.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, September 26, 2023 8:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] - [Heb-NACO] romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בין יציבות למהפכה</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current
Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben y<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a</span></b>tsivut l<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">e</span></b>-ma<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">hp</span></b>ekhah
: ʻaśor l<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a</span></b>-Aviv ha-ʻA<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">rv</span></b>i (instead of the current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and
other fields were corrected/added.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your local records.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if there are any questions. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">(All three words, <span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, are in the romanization FAQ. LC was notified separately)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></p>
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