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Thank you for the Divre ha-yamim reference, Cliff. It is found as a pair in Rashi on Be-reshit 25: 22, which is vocalized with the kamats. I have added the pair to the Fixed expressions wiki page. Kol tuv, Jasmin From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+jshino=upenn. edu@ lists. osu. edu>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you for the Divre ha-yamim reference, Cliff. It is found as a pair in
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Rashi</a> on Be-reshit 25:22, which is vocalized with the kamats.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have added the pair to the Fixed expressions wiki
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kol tuv, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+jshino=upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Miller via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2023 4:48 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marlene Schiffman <schiffma@yu.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שם ועבר</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Marlene, The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization) The name Ever does appear with
the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5. 13, vocalized with a kamets, just as <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Marlene,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The two names do not appear as a pair in the Bible, as they do in Talmud and Midrash (which have no sacred vocalization)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The name Ever does appear with the conjunctive vav in First Chronicles 5.13, vocalized
<b>with a kamets,</b> just as you surmised.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Shanah tovah u-metukah,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clifford Miller<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Marlene Schiffman via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, September 27, 2023 3:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu">jshino@upenn.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שם ועבר</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Jasmin, Quick question: Shem ve-Ever? Shem va-Ever? I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally! Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah? Thanks,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">חג שמח </span>MRS Marlene Schiffman Metadata and Services Department Gottesman Library
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Hi Jasmin,</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Quick question: Shem ve-Ever?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Shem va-Ever?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">I found 2 records on LC that have it both ways—naturally!</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Does it follow the pattern of Yom va-lailah?</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">Thanks, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">חג שמח</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14.0pt">MRS</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> [EXT] - [Heb-NACO] romanization: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בין יציבות למהפכה</span><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah! The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben yatsivut le-mahpekhah : ʻaśor la-Aviv ha-ʻArvi (instead of the current
Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and other </span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hello, friends, and shanah ṭovah!
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">The above title, on 1289500403, is correctly romanized Ben y<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a</span></b>tsivut l<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">e</span></b>-ma<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">hp</span></b>ekhah
: ʻaśor l<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">a</span></b>-Aviv ha-ʻA<b><span style="background:yellow;mso-highlight:yellow">rv</span></b>i (instead of the current Ben yetsivut la-mahapekhah : ʻaśor le-Aviv ha-ʻAravi). Fixed fields and
other fields were corrected/added.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">For the 16 libraries with holdings on the title, you may wish to update your local records.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Please let me know if there are any questions.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">(All three words, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">יציבות, מהפכה, ערבי</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks, Jasmin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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