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<div dir="ltr">I agree with Yossi. But then there's a problem with the English title, which probably should be Just Before We Lose. <div>Barry</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, Sep 18, 2023 at 3:13 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="msg-5772221765724226056">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">I did not get a response yet from the author, but I think it should be
<span style="background:yellow">Rega’ li-fene she-novad</span><span style="color:red"><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Yossi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14pt;font-family:David,sans-serif;color:black">טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954</span><span style="font-size:14pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">Йозеф Галрон Гольдшлегер</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature</b>:<br>
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<b>Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals</b><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(44,44,44)">OSU Libraries Historic Jewish Pamphlets Collection<u></u><u></u></span></b></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://archive.org/details/osulhjpc__;!!KGKeukY!1CybFRIqoOp5O75W9fYhZ8RJwCmAKmIlcBjoThONZ8MCGnNLWeGlfmTUfgyQKDKvZTrZQE0aRjzgLf5xQLM7wtc7_oGraEI$" target="_blank">https://archive.org/details/osulhjpc</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> Shinohara, Jasmin
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 18, 2023 3:04 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Galron, Joseph <<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">רגע לפני שנאבד</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">Thank you for the source, Yossi. Per HCM-RDA, E-Sh is our dictionary of record. Ne’evad is thus correct as the nif‘al. If you think it’s useful to give the Hebrew
Academy form, please add it in a 246. Of course, I’m not sure that the intended <u></u>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thank you for the source, Yossi. Per
<i>HCM-RDA</i>, E-Sh is our dictionary of record. Ne’evad is thus correct as the nif‘al.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">If you think it’s useful to give the Hebrew Academy form, please add it in a 246. Of course, I’m not sure that the intended binyan is nif‘al. Looking forward to hearing what the author says!<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks again and kol tuv, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> Galron, Joseph <<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 18, 2023 2:58 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@upenn.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">רגע לפני שנאבד</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/hebrew-academy.org.il/**I-**I-**I/?action=netiot&shoresh=**E&binyan=10__;15zXldeX15XXqteg15jXmdeZ16rXlNek15XXotec15DXkdeT!!IBzWLUs!QVLyAsoU0b-SqsH5SR0FYwl-zKWpte_3N9OgZixONK5NU1SnYolp2eiJoCuAaHGhBL53tv3eL4NDX2Ta$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">https://hebrew-academy.org.il/%D7%9C%D7%95%D7%97%D7%95%D7%AA-%D7%A0%D7%98%D7%99%D7%99%D7%AA-%D7%94%D7%A4%D7%95%D7%A2%D7%9C/?action=netiot&shoresh=%D7%90%D7%91%D7%93&binyan=10</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> Shinohara, Jasmin
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, September 18, 2023 2:43 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Galron, Joseph <</span><a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">galron.1@osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">רגע לפני שנאבד</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:1pt;color:white">Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">נֶאֱבַד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, i. e. , ne'evad. What is the source for ne’aved? Thanks, Jasmin From: Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces@ lists. osu. edu> On Behalf
Of Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco Sent: Sunday, September <u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Hi, Yossi, Even-Shoshan gives the nif ‘al form as
</span><span class="m_-5772221765724226056peruk"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:16pt">נֶאֱבַד</span></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span class="m_-5772221765724226056peruk"><span style="font-size:12pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
i.e., ne'evad. What is the source for ne’aved?<u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Thanks, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"> Heb-naco <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:56 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11pt">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">רגע לפני שנאבד</span><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Colleagues<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">There are 10 libraries on OCLC the hold this book by Tamar Hershkovitz:
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">רגע לפני שנאבד</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt">
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>= Just before we lost. (OCLC # 1371506533)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It was transliterated as: Rega’ li-fene she-ne’evad.
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">It does not look right to me. There are two or three ways that I would transcribe it:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Rega’ li-fene she-ne’aved (Binyan Nif’al)
<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Or<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Rega’ li-fene she-novad (Binyan Kal)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Or<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Rega’ li-fene she-ne’abed (Binyan Pi’el)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">What do you think?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">(I wrote to the author and asked her)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt">Yossi Galron-Goldschläger<span><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11pt"> <span><u></u><u></u></span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14pt;font-family:David,sans-serif;color:black">יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14pt;font-family:David,sans-serif;color:black">טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11pt;color:black">Йозеф Галрон Гольдшлегер</span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/library.osu.edu/people/galron.1__;!!IBzWLUs!Rn4tXaUrXa9pdXGYh_L8oQVXM9ToOGm3wNv85HmVcFwzARO9XVl1D8y-H9vT7sWRbBlspr4DNrHUeTJEBSUMCDTHrz8$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Joseph
(Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger</span></a></span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
Head, </span><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/35nyXVx1aw9CrjvPVzwN5of6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fguides.osu.edu*2Fc.php*3Fg*3D337806*26p*3D2274681__;JSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0Mse6Etz$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)">Hebraica
& Jewish Studies Library</span></a></span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
and German Language and Literature Librarian<br>
305 G Thompson Memorial Library<br>
The Ohio State University Libraries <br>
1858 Neil Ave. Mall<br>
Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA<br>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>
Mobile: (614) 805-9954<br>
E-Mail: </span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)">galron.1@osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"> or </span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)">jgalron@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(34,34,34)"><br>
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<b>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature</b>:<br>
</span><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3QFzqKM4bhoMEbRUtvt5Cwi6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fhebrewlit__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0GlG_VHC$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals</b><br>
</span><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/clicktime.symantec.com/3T7oGBhra4qxPxXMeh5okCG6H2?u=http*3A*2F*2Fgo.osu.edu*2Fjpress__;JSUlJQ!!KGKeukY!kUTYt7T7txseqvv_MbDA40Qc8GOigrxqsE-7Zi5NkfP2ikN57ei5Adhh0OJa_eeX$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(17,85,204)">http://go.osu.edu/jpress</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:rgb(44,44,44)">OSU Libraries Historic Jewish Pamphlets Collection</span></b><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/archive.org/details/osulhjpc__;!!IBzWLUs!Rn4tXaUrXa9pdXGYh_L8oQVXM9ToOGm3wNv85HmVcFwzARO9XVl1D8y-H9vT7sWRbBlspr4DNrHUeTJEBSUMHgGdVHs$" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">https://archive.org/details/osulhjpc</span></a><span style="font-size:11pt"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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