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Ah, the vagaries of romanization. . . . . . That is the decades-old dichotomy. That is why so many of us pushed the use of native scripts. Heidi G. Lerner Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica Emerita, Stanford University Libraries From: Shinohara,
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, August 11, 2023 12:03 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner <lerner@stanford.edu>; heb-naco <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: follow-up to my earlier email</font>
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When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel which ends the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal. Jasmin, In your
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<span style="border:1pt none windowtext; padding:0in; background:white; color:rgb(36,36,36)">When the beged-kefet letter is not at the beginning of a syllable, or, if it’s followed by any vowel (not just a long vowel), and in this case by the vowel which ends
the first word of the construct), it loses its dagesh kal. Jasmin, In your examples, the “yod” at the end of
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and the “hay” at the end of </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="border:1pt none windowtext; padding:0in; background:white; color:rgb(36,36,36)">îøàä</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="border:1pt none windowtext; padding:0in; background:white; color:rgb(36,36,36)"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
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<span style="color:black">best, Heidi</span></p>
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