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Yossi, I didn’t see anywhere that the publication in question was specifically by Ben Yehudah, so I gave a broader response. Sorry if I missed something. P. S. As cataloging moves to more inclusive conventions and terminology, BC and AD are
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<div dir="ltr">Yossi, I didn’t see anywhere that the publication in question was specifically by Ben Yehudah, so I gave a broader response. Sorry if I missed something.<span></span></div>
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 21, 2023 2:54 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Jasmin,</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">The question is not when the Temple was destroyed, 68, 69 or 70 A.D. The question is what year
<span style="color:red">did</span> Ben Yehudah and his publications <span style="color:red">
think</span> that the Temple was destroyed and according to <span style="color:red">
that year</span> calculated the date on the published book or newspaper. According to the sources that year was 69 A.D., so we have to add 69 to the date on the publication.</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">P.S. If you don’t like A.D. – you can read it as C.E.
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 21, 2023 12:44 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@upenn.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>; Robert M. TALBOTT <rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu>; Yossi Galron <jgalron@gmail.com><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that is, between 1902-1905]. Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted from the destruction of the Second
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">There seems to be a stray space in my date range below; it should read [that is, between 1902-1905].
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Also, the descriptive note can be more succinct, “Publication date is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred between 68-70 CE.”</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 21, 2023 3:21 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert M. TALBOTT <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date of publication based on the destruction of the Temple</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Hi, I think Robert meant that 1849 was 1916/1917 per the linked article Yossi had sent. 1849-1836 (the date in Yossi’s publication) is a difference of 13 years; 1916/1917-13 = 1903/1904. However, I’m not sure about Ben-Yehudah’s
use of the date 69 CE as the year of the destruction of Bayit Sheni. Dates given range from 68 CE (per
<i>Seder Olam Rabbah</i>) to 70 CE (per <i>Sefer Ezra‘</i>). To be safe, you probably ought to give the Gregorian date as the range “between 1902-1905”.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">As for recording the publication date, I’d transcribe what’s on the piece in the vernacular field and supply the Gregorian equivalent in square brackets following the romanized form of the date:
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt"> 300 |c <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן.</span></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">300 |c elef 836 l<b>a</b>-H.urban [that is, between 1902- 1905]</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Optionally, you could add a 500 descriptive note explaining that the date provided is counted from the destruction of the Second Temple which occurred sometime between 68 to 70 of the Common Era.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Kol tuv and </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">שבת שלום</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 20, 2023 1:34 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com">jgalron@gmail.com</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
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<span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Hi Yossi: Assuming that 8441 is 1916/1917, $c
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, [that is, 1911 or 1912] $c elef 836 le-Hurban [that is, 1911 or 1912] 500 Publication date is based on the destruction
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">$c <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">אלף אתתל''ה לחרבן</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, [that is, 1911 or 1912] </span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 9:55 AM Yossi Galron via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at this link A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in the bibliographic record? Joseph Galron-Goldschläger ––
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">In reply to this question see the page of the Academy of the Hebrew language at
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">A related question is: How do you record the imprint information in the bibliographic record?</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">On Thu, Jul 20, 2023 at 12:36 PM Galron, Joseph via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">How do you calculate the date of publication when the date on the book is based on the date of the destruction of the temple in Jerusalem:</span></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">בשנת אלף אתתל"ה לחרבן</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Yossi</span></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"David",sans-serif; color:black">יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt; color:black">Йозеф Галрон Гольдшлегер</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#222222"><a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/library.osu.edu/people/galron.1__;!!IBzWLUs!RObF5coXiDwz5x33s96bWRKtUsbd2wWQmbyYx798WjJ7v163AqsCgRUPZfr1jUGb1hvCM9En1_-fgLhWOvkHkPLn_E4$" target="_blank"><span style="color:#0563C1">Joseph
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<span style="font-size:11.0pt">Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.</span></p>
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