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<div dir="auto">There is a subject heading for Messianic Judaism. Here is the scope note:</div>
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<div dir="auto"><span style="color:rgb(0, 0, 0);font-family:"Times New Roman";font-size:medium;background-color:rgb(255, 255, 255);display:inline !important">Here are entered works on the modern religious movement that holds that it is possible to identify
completely with Jewish culture and religion and to believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Works on various movements throughout Jewish history that strive for an independent political existence of the Jewish people under a Davidic leader and world-wide renewal
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<div dir="auto"><font color="#000000" face="Times New Roman" size="3">The members of this religious movement are called Jewish Christians. Can you give us any history of this subject term, Haim?</font></div>
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I totally agree. We already have Christian converts from Judaism. Of course this would only apply to Jews who convert to Christianity, either to a messianic denomination or to a regular one. This does not cover what I think is the majority
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">We already have <i>Christian converts from Judaism. </i>Of course this would only apply to Jews who convert to Christianity, either to a messianic denomination or to a regular one. This does not cover what I think is the majority of Messianics:
folks who were born Christian and now practice a syncretic Jewish-Christian religion. At least all messianics I ever met where in fact evangelical non-Jews, or people that claimed to have a Jewish grandparent, for instance.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">We could use <i>Protestant churches</i>—with some subdivision
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<p class="x_MsoNormal">This is not an easy solution. Perhaps <i>Messianic churches</i> would indicate that they are a church based in their understanding of Judaism and its messianic thought.</p>
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<p class="x_MsoNormal" style=""><span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">Hi Haim, I think the heading itself is problematic too. It's misleading. What is a Jewish Christian? You are either one or the other. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal">Thank you for bringing these headings to our attention. I’ll bring this up at my next LCDGT meeting and propose a change to the note. As for the LCSH heading, we can add this to the list of other changes and proposals.</p>
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<p class="x_xxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt; color:white">I was working on a NAR and on page 4 of the cover the author states he is a Messianic Jew. I looked in both LCSH and LCDGT and both use the term Jewish Christians. The scope note is really
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