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<p class="MsoNormal">Regarding the history of the subject heading, I’ll dig around tomorrow when I am back onsite.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Jewish Christians of sorts<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">There is a subject heading for Messianic Judaism. Here is the scope note: Here are entered works on the modern religious movement that holds that it is possible
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<p class="MsoNormal">There is a subject heading for Messianic Judaism. Here is the scope note:<o:p></o:p></p>
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and to believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Works on various movements throughout Jewish history that strive for an independent political existence of the Jewish people under a Davidic leader and world-wide renewal are entered under Jewish messianic movements.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Times New Roman",serif;color:black">The members of this religious movement are called Jewish Christians. Can you give us any history of this subject term, Haim?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">We already have <i>Christian converts from Judaism. </i>Of course this would only apply to Jews who convert to Christianity, either to a messianic denomination or to a regular one. This does not cover what I think is the majority of Messianics:
folks who were born Christian and now practice a syncretic Jewish-Christian religion. At least all messianics I ever met where in fact evangelical non-Jews, or people that claimed to have a Jewish grandparent, for instance.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal">We could use <i>Protestant churches</i>—with some subdivision
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<p class="xmsonormal">This is not an easy solution. Perhaps <i>Messianic churches</i> would indicate that they are a church based in their understanding of Judaism and its messianic thought.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Haim, I think the heading itself is problematic too. It's misleading. What is a Jewish Christian? You are either one or the other. Caroline Caroline R. Miller Team Leader, Discovery Team UCLA
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I think the heading itself is problematic too. It's misleading. What is a Jewish Christian? You are either one or the other.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+crmiller=library.ucla.edu@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces+crmiller=library.ucla.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Gottschalk,
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<b>To:</b> Benamou, Sharon <<a href="mailto:benamou@library.ucla.edu">benamou@library.ucla.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Sharon, Thank you for bringing these headings to our attention. I’ll bring this up at my next LCDGT meeting and propose a change to the note. As for the LCSH heading, we can add this to the
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<p class="xxxmsonormal">Thank you for bringing these headings to our attention. I’ll bring this up at my next LCDGT meeting and propose a change to the note. As for the LCSH heading, we can add this to the list of other changes and proposals.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">I was working on a NAR and on page 4 of the cover the author states he is a Messianic Jew. I looked in both LCSH and LCDGT and both use the term Jewish Christians. The scope note is really concerning
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<p class="xxxmsonormal"><span class="xxxcontentpasted0"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;background:white">I was working on a NAR and on page 4 of the cover the author states he is a Messianic Jew. I looked in both LCSH and LCDGT and both use the term
Jewish Christians. The scope note is really concerning and seems incorrect.</span></span><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">
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<p class="xxxmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">"Here are entered works on Christians of Jewish antecedence who still identify, or are identified, with their Jewish origins, including adherents of Messianic Judaism."</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xxxmsonormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I don't think all "Messianic Jews" start off as Jews but are Christians who get involved in this movement. I propose that this subject term gets added to the Christian
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