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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I’m working remotely so I cannot check any references at my Seminary Library desk.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As I recall the single date “s” is to be used when the date is certain or probable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">5783 might be any of 9 months of 2023 or any of 3 months of 2022.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">When the odds are 3 to 1 of the later date, I think we are justified in using the later date and not both years as questionable.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is not 9 months out of 12 a high probability?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clifford Miller, speaking for myself and not for<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2022 5:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Miller, Caroline <crmiller@library.ucla.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Caroline, Haim here. What I do is use the first date as THE date with the DtSt: s. Granted we don’t know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is the practice
we do. The questionable date is when there is no date whatsoever in <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Caroline,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Haim here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What I do is use the first date as THE date with the DtSt: s. Granted we don’t know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is the practice we do. The questionable date is when there is no
date whatsoever in the book and we have to surmise when it was published. I do use a detailed date (DtSt: e) when I have the month available, such as erev Rosh Hodesh Nisan, plus year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I hope that this helps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Haim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">Expressing my views. Ideas & opinions in this email are not intended to represent those of the Library of Congress or its staff.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2022 4:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> HEB-NACO List Posting (<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>) <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-line-height-alt:.75pt"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">All, This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. It’s clear
in RDA and the PS’s how to transcribe the date in the 264. Example </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. It’s clear in RDA and the PS’s how to transcribe the date
in the 264. Example from the book I’m cataloging:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">673 [1912 or 1913]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have seen this coded in the fixed field as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">DtSt: s Dates 1912 ,
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">DtSt: q Dates 1912 , 1913</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is there an official policy on MARC coding for these fixed fields? I’ve done a little hunting on Heb-NACO and couldn’t find any official guidance.
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Caroline</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Handwriting";color:black">Caroline R. Miller</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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