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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Cliff and Caroline; it is also the practice of the Israeli libraries (National Library and others), BUT for years we did it the other way: I am afraid that if we change it now without changing the past records it will just
create a bigger chaos. Only if there is an automatic way to flip past records then we could change our practice.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 15, 2022 12:27 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <jshino@pobox.upenn.edu>; Cliff Miller <CLMILLER@JTSA.EDU>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>; Gottschalk, Haim <hgot@loc.gov><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field<o:p></o:p></p>
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last digit of a Hebrew year generally corresponds to the last digit in the 9 <o:p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Thank you all for your responses. Although documentation states otherwise, I think about what Cliff says and that has merit. How I also think about it is that the last
digit of a Hebrew year generally corresponds to the last digit in the 9 months of the Gregorian year. For example most of this year 578<b>3</b> will happen in the Gregorian year 202<b>3</b>. For anyone not trained to know the difference that could affect
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">I will, of course follow the documentation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="color:black">From:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 15, 2022 8:54 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Cliff Miller <<a href="mailto:CLMILLER@JTSA.EDU">CLMILLER@JTSA.EDU</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Gottschalk, Haim <<a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov">hgot@loc.gov</a>>; Miller,
Caroline <<a href="mailto:crmiller@library.ucla.edu">crmiller@library.ucla.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field</span> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi, Cliff, </span>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Your thought about probability is interesting. Nevertheless, our documented practice has been to use the earlier of the two possible dates for both the call no. date and fixed field date. Please
see the <i>Classification and Shelflisting Manual</i>, <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.loc.gov/catdir/cpso/G140.pdf__;!!KGKeukY!0wSX-9wV5J-jP-5F6tEOvXdwYQ5v2tqH2Poe5PQv_4tkeDKWCgNdIXRRdk-jeoUBnRbOXoRFKHya8bodVOsa3DS9192h-Q$">
G140 (Dates)</a>, where a list of examples is given:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><a name="x_scmclslUNDERSCORE932a"></a><a name="x_scmclslUNDERSCORE932b"></a><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">2012</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">use</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
<i>2012</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">MMX</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<i>2010</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">[2011]</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<i>2011</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">[2008?]</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<i>2008</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>1980</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">MMI-MMII</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<i>2001</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>1991</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="margin-left:.5in"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">1980-[2013]</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">
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<i>1980</i> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<i>1990z [if corporate body, use 1990] </i></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">For fixed field dates, per my email from yesterday, please see example in
<i>BFAS</i> on <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/www.oclc.org/bibformats/en/fixedfield/dtst.html__;!!KGKeukY!0wSX-9wV5J-jP-5F6tEOvXdwYQ5v2tqH2Poe5PQv_4tkeDKWCgNdIXRRdk-jeoUBnRbOXoRFKHya8bodVOsa3DSAgeKShQ$">
DtSt</a>. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Probability notwithstanding, a unified, consistent practice serves our users better. Please let me know if there are further questions.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Cliff Miller via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 15, 2022 10:20 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Gottschalk, Haim <<a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov">hgot@loc.gov</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Miller, Caroline <<a href="mailto:crmiller@library.ucla.edu">crmiller@library.ucla.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Dear Colleagues, Im working remotely so I cannot check any references at my Seminary Library desk. As I recall the single date s is to be used when the date is certain or probable. 5783 might
be any of 9 months of 2023 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Dear Colleagues,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Im working remotely so I cannot check any references at my Seminary Library desk.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">As I recall the single date s is to be used when the date is certain or probable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">5783 might be any of 9 months of 2023 or any of 3 months of 2022.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">When the odds are 3 to 1 of the later date, I think we are justified in using the later date and not both years as questionable.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is not 9 months out of 12 a high probability?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thank you.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Clifford Miller, speaking for myself and not for</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Library of the Jewish Theological Seminary</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.osu.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco-bounces+clmiller=jtsa.edu@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Gottschalk, Haim via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2022 5:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Miller, Caroline <</span><a href="mailto:crmiller@library.ucla.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">crmiller@library.ucla.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">Hi Caroline, Haim here. What I do is use the first date as THE date with the DtSt: s. Granted we dont know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is the practice we do. The questionable date
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hi Caroline,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Haim here.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">What I do is use the first date as THE date with the DtSt: s. Granted we dont know fully if the date is 2012 or 2013, but this is the practice we do. The questionable date is when there is
no date whatsoever in the book and we have to surmise when it was published. I do use a detailed date (DtSt: e) when I have the month available, such as erev Rosh Hodesh Nisan, plus year.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">I hope that this helps</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D">Haim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><i><span style="font-size:8.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:red">Expressing my views. Ideas & opinions in this email are not intended to represent those of the Library of Congress or its staff.</span></i><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> Heb-naco <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Miller, Caroline via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 14, 2022 4:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> HEB-NACO List Posting (</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">) <</span><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu</span></a><span style="font-size:11.0pt">><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Date Status (DtSt) and Dates in the fixed field</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:1.0pt;color:white">All, This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. Its clear in RDA and the PSs how to transcribe
the date in the 264. Example </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">All,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">This may sound like a newbie question but I have never seen an official policy on coding the date status for materials that only have a Hebrew date. Its clear in RDA and the PSs how to transcribe the date
in the 264. Example from the book Im cataloging:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">673 [1912 or 1913]</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">I have seen this coded in the fixed field as:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">DtSt: s Dates 1912 ,
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">DtSt: q Dates 1912 , 1913</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Is there an official policy on MARC coding for these fixed fields? Ive done a little hunting on Heb-NACO and couldnt find any official guidance.
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<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Thanks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="xmsonormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">Caroline</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="xmsonormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Lucida Handwriting";color:black">Caroline R. Miller</span></b><o:p></o:p></p>
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