<div dir="ltr"><div>Thank you for the clarification, Jasmin.</div><div><br></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, Apr 27, 2021 at 12:10 PM Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I’d like to thank you for participating in this discussion. We’ve heard back from LC, who after consulting with our colleagues in the IJ section, has reconsidered. This is the guidance the IJ section shared:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:0.5in"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">For a specific day, follow the Gregorian calendar equivalent provided on standard date converters such as Heb-Cal. Do not worry about the few hours between nightfall and midnight. If
the exact hour of the person’s date of birth or death is provided and that happens to be before midnight, then the cataloger would go with the day before. But we cannot routinely add the “or” construction to the day the way we do for the year.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">So, while from a NACO and EDTF standpoint it is
<b>possible</b> to record the uncertainty presented by Hebrew dates (and this is NLI practice), from an LC/PCC standpoint, it is
<b>not required</b> to so. In other words, feel free to continue with your current practice.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Happy cataloging, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2021 1:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>>; 'Hebrew Name Authority Funnel' <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Marlene Schiffman <<a href="mailto:schiffma@yu.edu" target="_blank">schiffma@yu.edu</a>>; <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Heb-NACO] [EXT] - Re: 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yossi cited our old work practice of 5000 and adding 1240, so I thought I'd chime in with NLI's current policy within our authority database – like the recommendation which started this thread, if all we have is a Hebrew date we do code
the two possible dates in 046. It takes an extra few seconds and we prefer to preserve the information at hand, having had people of the same name with birthdates within the same month.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+ahava.cohen=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+ahava.cohen=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, April 27, 2021 2:06 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Marlene Schiffman; <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">I doubt Paul Frank reads Heb-NACO. I am working on a draft with your responses and counter-arguments.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 26, 2021 7:05 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Galron, Joseph <<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Maybe we should send this correspondence to Paul Frank? Does he read Heb-NACO?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From: </b><a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">Robert M. TALBOTT</a><br>
<b>Sent: </b>Friday, April 23, 2021 8:39 PM<br>
<b>To: </b><a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">Shinohara, Jasmin</a><br>
<b>Cc: </b><a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Hebrew Name Authority Funnel</a>;
<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">Galron, Joseph</a>; <a href="mailto:schiffma@yu.edu" target="_blank">
Marlene Schiffman</a><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Fri, Apr 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Dear colleagues, I regret that the guidance coming from LC/PCC is not more popular among you. Nevertheless, our NACO work is bound by LC/PCC policy.
As such, henceforth, please code Hebrew dates that are not substantiated by Gregorian dates as uncertain in NACO records.</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:rgb(31,73,125)">Thanks and kol tuv, Jasmin</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 23, 2021 9:34 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Galron, Joseph <<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I agree with Yosi. There's no real benefit in ramping up the complexity of the 046 to cover the possibility that someone was born before sunset.
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<p class="MsoNormal">I encountered this issue for my Lexicon as well for entering dates in Wikidata (and encyclopedic entries in the Hebrew Wikipedia).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">My opinion is that we should put the later date and only in cases we know the two dates then to prefer the Hebrew date. Our life is complicated enough. We have a tool to convert
Hebrew calendar to the Gregorian calendar and vis-a-versa <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https*3A*2F*2Furldefense.com*2Fv3*2F__https*3A*2Fwww.hebcal.com*2Fconverter__*3B!!KGKeukY!g6jo72cqPGAkRZsVt0EeQnhrZu9zS3cFAFARzc0i99f1WheV_NlPXA9gGVhfQlTvnqs5*24&data=04*7C01*7Cschiffma*40yu.edu*7Caaf82c40e24340a3f72a08d906b96a34*7C04c70eb48f2648079934e02e89266ad0*7C1*7C1*7C637548215708512401*7CUnknown*7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0*3D*7C2000&sdata=ArxPCz5a8BQGxlZ5oP8wjeFkUSVuuA1mEqHnwaAlAf0*3D&reserved=0__;JSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSUlJSU!!KGKeukY!hx0QYJPGVeB1Jg3zYS6GBwNaCTscsu0IKhBpyWQYCPOEysnigfp0knYfauNJsuapEJ8N$" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Is it really critical to know if someone was born in the evening before sunset or after sunset? (the only case for us will be if someone was born/died on December 31, 1969 or January
1, 1970 – this changes the heading in the 100 field).<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">I have so many stories I encountered while doing my biographical research for “my authors” where the Hebrew date is totally different then the Gregorian date on tombstones, in encyclopedias
(Tidhar for example), Lexicons (Kressel and others). I saw letters by people who wrote that their Zeide told them they were born on Erev Shabbes of Hanukka, of
<span dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif" lang="HE">תר"ע </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>1910 (Erev Shabbes of Hanukka was December 1909 and not 1910)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Remember – we have a backlog of Sforim we need to catalog – not too much time to spend on the issue if someone was born or died before or after sunset.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">At this opportunity I invite you to view my working document in which I record the biographical information<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span dir="RTL" style="font-size:14pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:black" lang="HE">יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר</span><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b>From:</b> Heb-naco
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 22, 2021 5:32 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] 046 Hebrew date coding in NARs<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Hi, folks, I hope this email finds you all well.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I recently had the opportunity to get some guidance on how to code dates in the authority 046 when the date/s available is/are only using the Hebrew calendar. This was my question:<u></u><u></u></p>
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“Hebrew dates span two calendar days and, as such, two Gregorian dates. Till now, the majority of catalogers have made an assumption that the Hebrew date is the latter of the two Gregorian dates and only coded that date in the 046 (indicating certainty). The
question is, is such practice ok/correct? Or should catalogers be erring on the side of caution and coding the 046 date as uncertain, e.g. [2012-07-31, 2012-08-01], unless a Gregorian date is also given to confirm the date? I don’t recall seeing any guidance
on this subject. Can you please advise?”<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">This was the response from LC:<u></u><u></u></p>
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“What an interesting question about EDTF, especially since it was a topic here at LC a couple of weeks ago (not about Hebrew dates, but about what catalogers are supposed to do in the 046 field in general). I would
<span style="color:black;background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">err on the side of caution</span> and
<span style="color:black;background:yellow none repeat scroll 0% 0%">give both dates in the 046 field when the Gregorian date is not known</span>. Come to think of it, maybe I will add something about this to the DCM Z1 046 update that I am working on as a result of that meeting we
had here a couple of weeks ago. That will document it.” (highlight added)<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please let me know if you have any questions.<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jasmin Shinohara<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal">Hebraica Cataloging Librarian<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">T. 215-746-6397<u></u><u></u></p>
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Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection<br>
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Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection<br>
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UC Berkeley<br>
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250 Moffitt<br>
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Berkeley, CA 94720<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.<u></u><u></u></p>
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</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><br>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div>Bob Talbott<br><br>Hebraica cataloger/Curatorial Assistant to the Judaica Collection<br><br>UC Berkeley<br><br>250 Moffitt<br><br>Berkeley, CA 94720<br></div><div><br></div><div>Lue musaraba shu biburueada Bilgameshe nam habadabkure.<br></div></div></div>