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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I believe the cataloging powers the be are moving in the direction of avoiding “special” rules when general ones will work. I would argue that except for Humash
from a traditional (i.e. Orthodox/Hareidi) perspective, there are no “sacred” works in the Jewish tradition, but only works with ascribed human authors, or unknown human authors, or compilations compiled by humans, all of which could easily be treated by the
general rules governing works created prior to a certain date. They probably can abolish the concept of “sacred works” with no one noticing a radical change.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The only “exception” a code needs would probably be for “Bible” since there is no such work, never was such a work, and it is at most a compilation of compilations,
and even then a special rule is needed only to allow headings in which various books are treated as parts.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+akup=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, January 25, 2021 12:21 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <nfrau@umd.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Sacred work<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Discussing it during the summer session is a good idea. I also suggest the creation of a working list of sacred works that we can all agree upon, though I realize this may be problematic.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 8:58 AM Neil Manel Frau-Cortes via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I think this is a great question, and probably the fruit of applying an anglocentric category to a body of literature that doesn't match. We should consider if anything we call
<i>sifre kodesh</i> is actually a sacred text in the spirit of the LC category.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">That said, even inside of the sphere of <i>sifre kodesh</i>, I think that the Zohar is major, called
<i>Zohar ha-kadosh, </i>which is a qualificative we don't find applied to many other rabbinic works. This brings me to the question: what else is Sacred Texts in our cannon? Other than the Tanakh, should we include the Talmud (Mishnah, Tosefta?)? I wouldn't
include the midrash as a number of rishonim, like Duran, consider it to be holy, yet "not to be taken literally." Yet, the Zohar is midrashic in nature. It's all a conundrum. If people are interested, perhaps we can talk more about that in our RAS Cataloging
Summer meeting, since the Winter's agenda is already quite full.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Sun, Jan 24, 2021 at 11:47 PM Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I have a question: for purposes of correct application of LC Subject Heading Manual and RDA, is the Zohar considered a Sacred work.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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