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It depends on which rules you follow. There are differences betwen DCRM, RDA and A2</div>
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In DCRMB chronograms are optional but do can go in a note.</div>
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LC-PCC PS for<span> </span><a class="a rdalink mref" href="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/document.php?id=rdachp2&target=rda2-6858#rda2-6858" style="color: rgb(103, 116, 173)">2.8.6.4<img alt="" class="rdalink" height="13" width="31" style="border: none; margin-left: 5px; top: 1px" src="http://access.rdatoolkit.org/images/rdalink.png"></a></div>
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<span class="italic" style="font-style: italic">LC practice/PCC practice for Alternative:</span><span> </span>Record a supplied date in numerals instead of giving the chronogram</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000" style="font-size:11pt"><b>From:</b> Galron, Joseph <galron.1@osu.edu><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 26, 2020 4:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Heidi G Lerner <lerner@stanford.edu>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu>; DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: questions on chronograms in Hebrew script</font>
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I would transcribe the 264 field as follows: [Place] : [Publisher/Printer], <span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">
ע'ל' מ'ש'פ'ט'ו' ישב</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> [495=1734 or 1735]</p>
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I am not sure we need a 500 field </p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"David",sans-serif; color:black">יוסי גלרון-גולדשלגר</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"David",sans-serif"></span></p>
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"David",sans-serif; color:black">טלפון נייד 1.614.805.9954</span><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"David",sans-serif"></span></p>
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<span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#222222">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
Head, </span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#222222"><a href="http://guides.osu.edu/c.php?g=337806&p=2274681" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#1155CC">Hebraica &
Jewish Studies Library</span></a></span><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#222222"><br>
and German Language and Literature Librarian<br>
305 G Thompson Memorial Library<br>
The Ohio State University Libraries <br>
1858 Neil Ave. Mall<br>
Columbus, Ohio 43210 USA<br>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>
Mobile: (614) 805-9954<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">galron.1@osu.edu</span></a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="color:#1155CC">jgalron@gmail.com</span></a><br>
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<b>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature</b>:<br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#222222"><a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#1155CC">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</span></a></span></p>
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<b>Union List of Digitized Jewish Historic Newspapers and Periodicals</b><br>
</span><span style="font-size:12.0pt; font-family:"Arial",sans-serif; color:#222222"><a href="http://go.osu.edu/jpress" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:14.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman",serif; color:#1155CC">http://go.osu.edu/jpress</span></a><span lang="HE" dir="RTL"></span></span></p>
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<b>From:</b> Heb-naco <b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner via Heb-naco<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, August 25, 2020 3:29 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> DCRM Users' Group <dcrm-l@lib.byu.edu>; heb-naco@lists.osu.edu<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] questions on chronograms in Hebrew script</p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">I am for the first time providing a <span class="x_xmarkipvi9c0v2">chronogram</span> for a pre-1800 Hebrew book in a note field in both transliteration and native script:</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">We do not have any official guidelines in current Hebraica RDA cataloging documentation for recreating a <span class="x_xmarkipvi9c0v2">chronogram</span> from a resource so I am emulating how it would be recorded
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">For the work that I am currently working on I have done it in the following manner:</span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">500 Date of publication derived from <span class="x_xmarkipvi9c0v2">chronogram</span>:
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ע’ל’ מ’ש’פ’ט’ו’ ישב</span></span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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<b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">500 Date of publication derived from <span class="x_xmarkipvi9c0v2">chronogram</span>: ʻA.l' m'i'sh'p'a'ṭo yeshev</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black"></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:12.0pt; color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span></p>
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