<div dir="ltr">I would say that alef acts as a mater lectionis in all of these cases, and it was never intended as a glottal stop. So I will go for ulṭrah-saund (t underdot) which is also less likely to confuse our users.<div><br></div><div>Neil</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Aug 30, 2018 at 2:19 PM Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Hi all, as a foreign-loan word, and following HCM RDA2017rev, do we romanize the above as ulṭrah-saund or as vocalized in E-Sh., ulṭerah-saʼund? (cf ocn</span>
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2016504199). I would think the former, but I wanted to open it up to the crowd. (Yes, a 246 can be given for the alternate, but which is the alternate and which is the preferred?)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>(I guess from this follows the question of all the Hebrew names that aren’t actually Hebrew, e.g., those ending in –baum, Laufer, etc. – are they still to be romanized –ba’um, La’ufer even though the
alif is not pronounced and the names aren’t actually Hebrew? Or do we maintain status quo for these to prevent slippery-slope-syndrome?)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span>Thanks, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jasmin Shinohara<u></u><u></u></p>
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