<div dir="ltr"><div>Hi Janet:</div><div><br></div>Take a look at the romanization table.  It's not defined, and every possible instance where it could be used one finds that  a single letter, "e," is used instead. <div><br></div><div>Using "ei" to describe that particular sound does unnecessary violence to the system of romanization, and creates issues for the poor catalogers who have to clean up the mess(es) at the end of the day. </div><div><br></div><div>B</div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Aug 7, 2017 at 12:59 PM, Janet Shamir <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:Janet.Shamir@nli.org.il" target="_blank">Janet.Shamir@nli.org.il</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">




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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I strongly encourage the cataloging committee to vote on the use of Rav-Milim (not sure about the strength of the relationship between Morfix and
 Rav-Milim, does anybody know)? We need to have an authorized source to consult when vocalizing and transcribing new words that have entered the Hebrew language regardless of origin. </span></span></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I much prefer the romanization of "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דייט</span></span><span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>"
 or "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דיט</span></span><span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>" to be "deṭ". </span></span></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I have never encountered a Hebrew word vocalized as "ey". Anyone seeing "deyṭ" would consider it a Yiddish word;   if the word is encountered in
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">So then the Romanization should be deyṭ?</span></span></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Should the Cataloging Committee hold a vote on using Rav Milim or Morfix as an authorized source for Romanization of words that
 are not found in the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan?  Or should we wait until next summer’s cataloging committee meeting to discuss the question further?</span></span></p>
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 Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question</span></span></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">I'm sorry, but I disagree. This is not a case of Tsere Male. It is a Tsere (Romanized as e), followed by a consonantal Yod (i).
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">Tsere Male is Romanized as "e" because according to the Sepharadi tradition it is *<b>not</b>* vocalized as a diphthong. The
 correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew language, quoted by Haim, shows that the Sheva under the Yod in</span></span><span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">דייט
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</span></span><span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span dir="LTR"></span>*<b>to indicate the diphthong</b>*, and that it is<b> *not</b>* vocalized as the Yod in
</span></span><span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:#1f497d">בית</span></span><span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:#1f497d"><span dir="LTR"></span>,
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="color:black">So according to our rules (if there is a Tsere under the Dalet), we have to romanize it as Det.</span></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="color:black">E-Mail:
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</span></span><a href="tel:(614)%20292-1918" target="_blank"><span>(614)292-1918</span></a></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="color:black">On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gottschalk, Haim <</span></span><a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov" target="_blank"><span>hgot@loc.gov</span></a><span><span style="color:black">> wrote:</span></span></p>
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צירי </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דל</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ת
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, though silent, is there to indicate that the
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
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<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
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</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>= "be<u>t</u>").”</span></span></p>
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 Heb-naco [mailto:</span></span><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bhgot" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">heb-naco-bounces+hgot</span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">=</span></span><a href="mailto:loc.gov@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif"><wbr>loc.gov@lists.osu.edu</span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">]
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to
</span></span><span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:black">דֵּיְט</span></span><span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>,
 with a Sheva under the Yod which indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for them). In
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">A double-Yod is common in loan words, such as
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 loan words which contain a double Yod should be Romanized according to this pronunciation.</span></span></p>
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">According to the ALA/LC Romanization rules, the Yod in Hebrew is Romanized as "y" only when it is followed by a vowel. However,
 the form daiṭ would be vocalized as (IPA) /daɪt/ instead of /deɪt/.</span></span></p>
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</span></span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">as</span></span><span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span>
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</span></span><span><span style="font-size:11pt;font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">and  deiṭ, and words with the diphthong AY, such as</span></span><span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span>
<span lang="HE">בייט</span></span></span><span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;color:black">
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</span></span><span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11pt;font-family:arial,sans-serif;color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> יי
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 Heb-naco [</span></span><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+<wbr>janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.<wbr>osu.edu</span></span></a><span><span style="font-size:10pt;font-family:tahoma,sans-serif;color:black">]
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">in Rav-Milim and Morfix
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<p style="direction:ltr;background:white"><span><span style="font-family:calibri,sans-serif;color:black">I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered
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</blockquote></div><br><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Bob Talbott<br><br>Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br><br>UC Berkeley<br><br>250 Moffitt<br><br>Berkeley, CA 94720<br><br>I'm just mad about Saffron</div>
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