<div dir="ltr">Well, how much confidence do you have in Assaf's new dates?  I ask because the dates currently in the record come from EJ.  EJ isn't correct 100% of the time, but it is one of the sources we favor.  Without independent confirmation, it's a question of weighing EJ vs Assaf.<div><br></div><div>Solution one: Polite reference without adjustmnent -- No changes to the access point, but a 670 is added </div><div>670  [work, dates]: $b p.[whatever] (Mr. Assaf contends that Dov Baer's date of birth was actually ....)</div><div>This would probably be my tactic, depending.</div><div><br></div><div>Solution two: Reading the two sources as equally reliable: If one determines that Assaf and EJ are equally reliable on a point where one cannot get independent confirmation, the date of birth becomes uncertain. The changes one would make then would mean removing the date of birth from the access points, so that the $d portion would look like this: $d -1876.  This is probably the least satisfying of the options.</div><div><br></div><div>Solution three: Assaf victorious: Reading Assaf as more reliable than EJ on this point means changing the dates, as you suggested in your email.</div><div><br></div><div>Like I said, option one would be my choice, depending.  Option two has less appeal. Option three would probably be the popular choice, but I wouldn't go this route unless Assaf provided a note of some sort citing a text that I could check.</div><div><br></div><div>My two cents. Let your conscience  be your guide.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, the new EJ has a new form of his name: v.8, p. 256 "Dov Baer of Lyova."  </div><div><br></div><div>B</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 3:42 AM, Kuperman, Aaron <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:akup@loc.gov" target="_blank">akup@loc.gov</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">





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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color:#1f497d">Why wouldn’t you correct a date?  The rule on adding death dates has to do with extra work that isn’t absolutely necessary.  Correcting a mistake is a
 different matter. All the more so since PSD has already flagged the record for reconsideration of the name authority, and conversion if necessary, to RDA.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed"><span style="color:#1f497d">Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Rini Goldsmith<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 02, 2017 5:02 AM<br>
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<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Correcting dates in authority record 010 n 95001542<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">Shalom everyone,<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">I'm working on the authority record of   n  95001542  (Dov Ber, ǂc mi-Leoṿi, ǂd 1827-1876)<u></u><u></u></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">The OCLC record has note: THIS 1XX FIELD CANNOT BE USED UNDER RDA UNTIL THIS RECORD HAS BEEN REVIEWED AND/OR UPDATED<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">According to a comprehensive study by David Assaf,
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">הציץ ונפגע :אנטומיה של מחלוקת חסידית</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> = Beguiled by knowledge :an anatomy of a hasidic controversy  (2012),<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">May I correct the date of birth in the OCLC record, if I add the source?<u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align:left;direction:ltr;unicode-bidi:embed">Thanks,<u></u><u></u></p>
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