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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">I second Janet’s romanization (for whatever that’s worth …
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 28, 2017 7:55 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The online Rav-Milim dictionary and Morfix are both products of Melingo Ltd., a subsidiary of Britannica. Melingo owns the sites hosting
those two dictionaries as well as a few other Hebrew language related sites.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#0070C0"><a href="https://melingo.com/en/"><span style="color:#0070C0">https://melingo.com/en/</span></a></span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דייט</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span> is not a Hebrew word. It's a common transliteration of an English word, widely used by Israelis, and pronounced approximately
as "date" is pronounced by American English speakers. Personally, I have never encountered an Israeli who went on a "det"
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:Wingdings;color:black">J</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Here are a few minutes from an Israeli T.V. show. You can see what Israeli children think of dates and hear how the children (and the
presenter) pronounce the word.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">*<b>Any Hebrew letter with a Sheva under it is consonantal</b>* and cannot be ignored in Romanization.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The way I see it, using a y to indicate the Yod or ignoring the Sheva (and the Yod) are both against our Romanization policy.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">There is a Dalet. There's a Tsere under the Dalet. *<b>de</b>* (ALA-LC Hebraica Romanization Tables, HCM p. 10)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">There's a Yod. There's a Sheva under it, which indicates that it's consonantal. This consonantal Yod is not followed by a vowel. *<b>i</b>* (HCM, P. 19)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">There's a final
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">T</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">et. *<b>ṭ</b>* (ALA-LC Hebraica Romanization Tables, HCM p. 10)</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I think that the issues of Yod, Sheva and foreign/loan words should all be rethought and/or revised. They keep leading to problems.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Shabbat shalom,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:27 PM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hi all, Rav-Milim was discussed at a 2006 AJL RAS Cataloging Committee Meeting. Here is the record of what was decided.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">"Hebrew dictionaries to supplement Even-Shoshan need to be authorized, especially for newer words. Rav milim and Morfix (online) were suggested. Use of these can be recommended
for libraries with access to them."</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I strongly encourage the cataloging committee to vote on the use of Rav-Milim (not sure about the strength of the relationship between Morfix and Rav-Milim, does anybody
know)? We need to have an authorized source to consult when vocalizing and transcribing new words that have entered the Hebrew language regardless of origin. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I much prefer the romanization of "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דייט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>"
or "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דיט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>" to be "deṭ". </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I have never encountered a Hebrew word vocalized as "ey". Anyone seeing "deyṭ" would consider it a Yiddish word; if the word is encountered in a Yiddish context then
I would romanize it as "Deyt". </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Heidi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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on behalf of Dickel, Geraldine <</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:geraldine.dickel@yale.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">geraldine.dickel@yale.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:37 AM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">So then the Romanization should be deyṭ?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Should the Cataloging Committee hold a vote on using Rav Milim or Morfix as an authorized source for Romanization of words that are not found in the most
recent edition of Even-Shoshan? Or should we wait until next summer’s cataloging committee meeting to discuss the question further?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best wishes,</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Jerry Anne Dickel</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Hebraica Catalog librarian</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Yale University Library</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word
question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'm sorry, but I disagree. This is not a case of Tsere Male. It is a Tsere (Romanized as e), followed by a consonantal Yod (i). The Yod is not part of
the nikkud and therefore should be Romanized separately.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tsere Male is Romanized as "e" because according to the Sepharadi tradition it is *<b>not</b>* vocalized as a diphthong. The correspondence with the
Academy of the Hebrew language, quoted by Haim, shows that the Sheva under the Yod in</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">דייט
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">is there</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>*<b>to indicate the diphthong</b>*, and that it is<b> *not</b>* vocalized as the Yod in
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">בית</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>, and therefore
should not be Romanized the same way.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">---</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Janet Shamir</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hebrew Cataloging Department</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">National Library of Israel</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span dir="LTR" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"> </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:46 PM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">To:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">So according to our rules (if there is a Tsere under the Dalet), we have to romanize it as Det.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Am I correct?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Yossi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">E-Mail: </span>
<span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">galron.1@osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="color:black"> or
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">jgalron@gmail.com</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:
</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=cX-JfhQlUwhLVWvvsRM8LpRtWoJnc-1xOAkRHgoNXs0&m=v2JJTzWeGRAQyvWjy0aNiJ67X50klm8iIx6Buhil0PI&s=1oOCtbEkWR3B7Si95kJR1BTlNxces8lWpNM1IVEgWu8&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Times New Roman","serif"">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gottschalk, Haim <<a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov" target="_blank">hgot@loc.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">According to an email correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew Language:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“The word
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דייט </span>is vocalized with <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
צירי </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דל</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ת
</span>and (silent) <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, thus: </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"David","sans-serif";color:navy;background:#EAFDDB">דֵּיְט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>.”</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">And a follow up email</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">“the
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, though silent, is there to indicate that the
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>*is* pronounced -- i.e., to indicate the diphthong "ey" ("deyt"). "Native" Hebrew words, by comparison, never have a
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
</span>that follows <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">צירי </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(compare -<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בֵּית
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>= "be<u>t</u>").”</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">Haim</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:06 AM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="color:black">Subject:</span></b><span style="color:black"> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דֵּיְט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>, with a Sheva under
the Yod which indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for them). In the case of a word
without nikkud, those rules require a double Yod to indicate the original pronunciation.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">A double-Yod is common in loan words, such as
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> טייפ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">or
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דייט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>, as a transliteration
of the diphthong EY. </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">They are pronounced with a double Sheva at the end, both silent, as two consequent Shevaim at the end of a word are always quiescent.
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">In my opinion, Yiddish Romanization should only be used for Yiddish words, since "a distinctively Yiddish name in a Hebrew context may be romanized as
Yiddish" (hence, a name/word which is not distinctively Yiddish may not be Romanized as such).
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If the Romanization attempts to represent the sound of the Hebrew words as they are pronounced by modern Israeli speakers, then loan words which contain
a double Yod should be Romanized according to this pronunciation.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">According to the ALA/LC Romanization rules, the Yod in Hebrew is Romanized as "y" only when it is followed by a vowel. However, the form daiṭ would be
vocalized as (IPA) /daɪt/ instead of /deɪt/.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Thus, I would Romanize
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">טייפ
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">and
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> דייט</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">as</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ṭeip</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">and deiṭ, and words with the diphthong AY, such as</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span>
<span lang="HE">בייט</span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>(byte) or
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">טיים</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>(time),
as baiṭ and ṭaim, as the diphthong is Romanization in ALA-LC Romanization rules.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sometimes,
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> יי
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">is used in loan words as part of the Hebrew transliteration of "-tion", in which case they are pronounced (and in my opinion, should be Romanized as) "shen":
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> פרוטקשיין, קונקשיין, קולקשיין
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black"> </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>(protection, connection and collection).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">As for using Rav-Milim, I think it is a reliable source for the vocalization of contemporary Hebrew and loan words. Its editors can be contacted online
with questions/corrections.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Their policy is described here:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"><a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.ravmilim.co.il_adv_general_index.htm-23m&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=cX-JfhQlUwhLVWvvsRM8LpRtWoJnc-1xOAkRHgoNXs0&m=v2JJTzWeGRAQyvWjy0aNiJ67X50klm8iIx6Buhil0PI&s=F1lPlYpbMhMXa9wLazXM0htaalJbh-CEZhP8f7rM8pI&e=" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">http://www.ravmilim.co.il/adv/general/index.htm#m</span></a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Janet Shamir</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hebrew Cataloging Department</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">National Library of Israel</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:37 PM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">mea culpa: </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">in Rav-Milim and Morfix
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דייט </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">has been normalized to
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דיט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>, so it should be romanized as "deṭ'</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the Hebrew language since
E-S' last edition of 2007 and do not appear there or in Alcalay.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Heidi G. Lerner</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Metadata Librarian for Hebraica and Judaica</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Metadata Dept.</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford University Libraries</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ph:
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">e-mail:
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco <</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">>
on behalf of Yossi Galron <</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank"><span style="font-size:11.0pt">jgalron@gmail.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Sent:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Subject: Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></b></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Our rule is that it should be Dait (two Yods are "ai")
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Yossi</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Tel.:
<a href="tel:(614)%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:(614)%20292-1918" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature:
<a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=cX-JfhQlUwhLVWvvsRM8LpRtWoJnc-1xOAkRHgoNXs0&m=v2JJTzWeGRAQyvWjy0aNiJ67X50klm8iIx6Buhil0PI&s=1oOCtbEkWR3B7Si95kJR1BTlNxces8lWpNM1IVEgWu8&e=" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim <</span><span style="color:black"><a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov" target="_blank"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">hgot@loc.gov</span></a></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Dear colleagues:</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">How would you vocalize </span>
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דייט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>? I could not the word in the dictionaries, nor find it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet.
The word is pronounced as “date” as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Thanks in advance.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black"> <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p style="background:white"><span style="color:black">Haim<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">Haim A Gottschalk (Librarian)
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