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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">I vote
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">deyṭ<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">And I vote to add the Rav Milim or Morfix as authorized sources.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Haim
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+hgot=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dickel, Geraldine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 9:38 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">So then the Romanization should be deyṭ?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Should the Cataloging Committee hold a vote on using Rav Milim or Morfix as an authorized source for Romanization of words that are not found in the most recent edition of
Even-Shoshan? Or should we wait until next summer’s cataloging committee meeting to discuss the question further?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Jerry Anne Dickel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Hebraica Catalog librarian<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Yale University Library<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:43 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I'm sorry, but I disagree. This is not a case of Tsere Male. It is a Tsere (Romanized as e), followed by a consonantal Yod (i). The Yod is not part of the nikkud
and therefore should be Romanized separately.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Tsere Male is Romanized as "e" because according to the Sepharadi tradition it is *<b>not</b>* vocalized as a diphthong. The correspondence with the Academy
of the Hebrew language, quoted by Haim, shows that the Sheva under the Yod in</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">דייט
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:#1F497D"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">is there</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>*<b>to indicate the diphthong</b>*, and that it is<b> *not</b>* vocalized as the
Yod in </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">בית</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
and therefore should not be Romanized the same way.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">---<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Janet Shamir<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">Hebrew Cataloging Department<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#1F497D">National Library of Israel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" dir="RTL" style="text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed">
<span dir="LTR" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 4:46 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So according to our rules (if there is a Tsere under the Dalet), we have to romanize it as Det.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am I correct?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Yossi<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=cX-JfhQlUwhLVWvvsRM8LpRtWoJnc-1xOAkRHgoNXs0&m=v2JJTzWeGRAQyvWjy0aNiJ67X50klm8iIx6Buhil0PI&s=1oOCtbEkWR3B7Si95kJR1BTlNxces8lWpNM1IVEgWu8&e=" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Tue, Jul 25, 2017 at 9:27 AM, Gottschalk, Haim <<a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov" target="_blank">hgot@loc.gov</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">According to an email correspondence with the Academy of the Hebrew Language:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">“The word
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דייט </span>is vocalized with <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
צירי </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דל</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ת
</span>and (silent) <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, thus: </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:15.0pt;font-family:"David","sans-serif";color:navy;background:#EAFDDB">דֵּיְט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">And a follow up email</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">“the
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
though silent, is there to indicate that the <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>*is* pronounced -- i.e., to indicate the diphthong "ey" ("deyt"). "Native" Hebrew words, by comparison, never have a
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">שווא </span>under a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יו</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>"<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">ד
</span>that follows <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">צירי </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(compare -<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">בֵּית
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>= "be<u>t</u>").”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#C0504D">Haim</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bhgot" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+hgot</a>=<a href="mailto:loc.gov@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">loc.gov@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Janet Shamir<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, July 25, 2017 9:06 AM</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Rav-Milim and Morfix normalize it to
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">דֵּיְט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
with a Sheva under the Yod which indicates that it's consonantal. This is in accordance with the transliteration rules of the Academy of the Hebrew Language for foreign names (which do not necessarily apply for loan words, but are often used for them). In
the case of a word without nikkud, those rules require a double Yod to indicate the original pronunciation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">A double-Yod is common in loan words, such as
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> טייפ</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">or
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">דייט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
as a transliteration of the diphthong EY. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">They are pronounced with a double Sheva at the end, both silent, as two consequent Shevaim at the end of a word
are always quiescent. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">In my opinion, Yiddish Romanization should only be used for Yiddish words, since "a distinctively Yiddish name
in a Hebrew context may be romanized as Yiddish" (hence, a name/word which is not distinctively Yiddish may not be Romanized as such).
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">If the Romanization attempts to represent the sound of the Hebrew words as they are pronounced by modern Israeli
speakers, then loan words which contain a double Yod should be Romanized according to this pronunciation.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">According to the ALA/LC Romanization rules, the Yod in Hebrew is Romanized as "y" only when it is followed by a
vowel. However, the form daiṭ would be vocalized as (IPA) /daɪt/ instead of /deɪt/.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Thus, I would Romanize
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">טייפ
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">and
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> דייט</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">as</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">ṭeip</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">and deiṭ, and words with the diphthong AY, such as</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span>
<span lang="HE">בייט</span></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt">
</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(byte) or
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">טיים</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(time),
as baiṭ and ṭaim, as the diphthong is Romanization in ALA-LC Romanization rules.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Sometimes,
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> יי
</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">is used in loan words as part of the Hebrew transliteration of "-tion", in which case they are pronounced (and in my opinion, should be Romanized as) "shen":
</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><span dir="RTL"></span><span dir="RTL"></span> פרוטקשיין, קונקשיין, קולקשיין
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt"> </span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif""><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>(protection, connection and collection).</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">As for using Rav-Milim, I think it is a reliable source for the vocalization of contemporary Hebrew and loan words.
Its editors can be contacted online with questions/corrections.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"">Their policy is described here:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+janet.shamir=nli.org.il@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 20, 2017 11:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">mea culpa: </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">in Rav-Milim and Morfix
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דייט </span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">has been normalized to
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">דיט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, so it should be romanized as "deṭ'</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I would like propose that we adopt Rav-Milim as another stanford for romanization/vocalization for the more contemporary words that have entered the Hebrew language since E-S' last edition of 2007
and do not appear there or in Alcalay.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">i believe that we talked about this in years gone by.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ph:
<a href="tel:(650)%20725-9953" target="_blank">650-725-9953</a></span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 20, 2017 1:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] vocalizing a word question</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Our rule is that it should be Dait (two Yods are "ai")
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(614)292-1918</a><br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__go.osu.edu_hebrewlit&d=DwMGaQ&c=cjytLXgP8ixuoHflwc-poQ&r=cX-JfhQlUwhLVWvvsRM8LpRtWoJnc-1xOAkRHgoNXs0&m=v2JJTzWeGRAQyvWjy0aNiJ67X50klm8iIx6Buhil0PI&s=1oOCtbEkWR3B7Si95kJR1BTlNxces8lWpNM1IVEgWu8&e=" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Thu, Jul 20, 2017 at 4:28 PM, Gottschalk, Haim <<a href="mailto:hgot@loc.gov" target="_blank">hgot@loc.gov</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">How would you vocalize
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דייט</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>? I could not the word in the dictionaries,
nor find it vocalized in worldcat, nor on the internet. The word is pronounced as “date” as going out on a date. I have Romanized it as “deyit”.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Thanks in advance.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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