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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+v.freedman=ucl.ac.uk@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dickel, Geraldine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 14 July 2017 20:04<br>
<b>To:</b> 'heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu' <heb-naco@lists.acs.ohio-state.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Hi Jasmin and Haim, and other colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I am also in favor of number 2 and agree that that option makes the most sense. We would be Romanizing according to the vowels and disregarding the consonants,
if the intent of the vowels is to give Adonai or Elohim. The consonants would be present in the Hebrew 245 field, and we can add as many 246 fields as we think are necessary to provide access.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The “modern” vocalization (number 4) is from an email from Joan. It would be the tetragrammaton with a patah and a segol vowel to give Yahṿeh (</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white">יַהְוֶה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:#222222;background:white"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>)</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">,
(in English, Yahweh), which is how academic biblical scholars think that the divine name was pronounced. Number 4 goes along with number 1, i.e., we give priority in Romanizing the tetragrammaton to the vowels, but in the case of the “modern” vocalization,
the vowels and the consonants would be consistent with the intended pronunciation.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">The main reason that I included number 1 was in case there are any religious objections to writing out fully Adonai or Elohim, or in the case of the “modern” vocalization,
to writing out Yahṿeh. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I can’t remember seeing a title with a Romanized tetragrammaton, so it would be nice to have some examples, just to see what sort of vowels exist.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jerry Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Shinohara, Jasmin [<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu">mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 14, 2017 11:27 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>>; Dickel, Geraldine <<a href="mailto:geraldine.dickel@yale.edu">geraldine.dickel@yale.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> RE: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">My comments below in
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA">green</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:JA">. Thanks,
Jasmin<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dickel, Geraldine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 14, 2017 10:19 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Dear colleagues,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">It seems to me that we are in agreement that the unvocalized tetragrammaton should be Romanized in the 245 field as YHṾH. For a vocalized tetragrammaton, we
have several suggestions or options. To summarize:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">1.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Romanize as YHṾH, i.e. follow the consonants and ignore the vowels in the 245. Perhaps add a 500 note to say something like:
tetragrammaton is vocalized as ______. (A library that prefers to use variations on words for the deity could do so in a 500 note, e.g., Elokim instead of Elohim.)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA">If vowels are supplied, they should not be ignored; that’s not the author’s intent.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">2.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the vowels are the vowels for Adonai or Elohim, Romanize as Adonai or Elohim, i.e., follow the vowels and ignore the consonants.
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA">Makes most sense (with an added title access point for the title with the
</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050">YHṾH</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA"> form and possibly other forms,
depending on context).<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">3.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If the vowels are the vowels for Adonai or Elohim, Romanize as Yehoṿah, i.e., follow the vowels and the consonants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA">Doesn’t make any sense; if one follows both vowels and consonants, the romanization would be Yahovai or Yehovi, neither of
which is in any use.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<![if !supportLists]><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">4.<span style="font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"">
</span></span></span><![endif]><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">If it is a modern vocalization, Romanize as Yahṿeh, i.e. follow the vowels and consonants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#00B050;mso-fareast-language:JA">What’s a “modern” vocalization???<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I think that, until we have more time to consider the question and perhaps collect some examples, we might need to deal with vocalized tetragrammatons on a case
by case basis. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best wishes,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jerry Anne<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu">mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, July 07, 2017 3:11 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">We, back in the Holy Land, secular Sabras pronounced the All Mighty's name YHVH as Yehovah. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">If our teacher was from a religious background he would correct us and say: Adonai. If he would come from a more orthodox background, he would correct us to Ha-Shem.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">When we read the Shma we would say Adonai.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">In any case, I am for YHVH and an appropriate 246 for variants.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">On Jul 7, 2017 8:27 AM, "Freedman, Vanessa" <<a href="mailto:v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk">v.freedman@ucl.ac.uk</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I agree with Jasmin. I can’t imagine anyone would read (or search for) the Tetragrammaton (even if
vocalised) as ‘Yehovah’</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Shinohara, Jasmin<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 06 July 2017 16:28<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I don’t think that formulation is clear, Jerry Anne. Typically, where vowels are supplied,
it is to indicate whether the Name should be pronounced as Ado-nai or as Elokim. To say “it should be Romanized with the vowels as given in the source” may imply using the YHṾH consonants with the addition of the supplied vowels, but those consonants are
not (typically) intended to be pronounced. I think if the vocalization is given, that form (Ado-nai or Elokim) should be in the 245 with the addition of YHṾH in the 246.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">My half cent. Jasmin</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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[<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jshino=pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Dickel, Geraldine<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 06, 2017 11:17 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Good question. If the vowels are supplied should the Tetragrammaton be Romanized with the vowels?
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> </span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Should the HCM say: The unvocalized Tetragrammaton,
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should be Romanized YHṾH. If the Tetragrammaton is vocalized it should be Romanized with the vowels as given in the source.”</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thoughts?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Best,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jerry Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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M. TALBOTT [<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>]
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<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 06, 2017 10:58 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Dickel, Geraldine <<a href="mailto:geraldine.dickel@yale.edu" target="_blank">geraldine.dickel@yale.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Well, it's been lost in the dust up, but what about cases where vowels are supplied? Or is the Tetragrammaton always YHVH in all instances, euphemistic added
entries not with standing?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">On Thu, Jul 6, 2017 at 6:27 AM, Dickel, Geraldine <<a href="mailto:geraldine.dickel@yale.edu" target="_blank">geraldine.dickel@yale.edu</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">I have added: “The Tetragrammaton,
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">יהוה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>,
should be Romanized YHṾH.” to page 32 of the HCM under Names of the Divinity. Jasmin has also added it to the Romanization FAQ document on the AJL RAS Cataloging wiki.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Thank you,</span><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">Jerry Anne</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco
[mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bgeraldine.dickel" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+geraldine.dickel</a>=<a href="mailto:yale.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">yale.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 05, 2017 5:31 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Thanks folks.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">Is there any chance we could get a transliteration advisory covering this included in the HCM? 'Twould be quite handy for those few times it actually happens.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US">On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:59 PM, Judith Zupnick <<a href="mailto:judiezup@msn.com" target="_blank">judiezup@msn.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with Joan.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Heb-naco <heb-naco-bounces+judiezup=<a href="mailto:msn.com@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">msn.com@lists.osu.edu</a>> on behalf of Joan Biella <<a href="mailto:jbiella2632@gmail.com" target="_blank">jbiella2632@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 5, 2017 1:39 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I agree with Aaron, and would advocate for YHVH (subscript dot under V) as the least controversial way to deal
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">On Wed, Jul 5, 2017 at 1:22 PM, Kuperman, Aaron <<a href="mailto:akup@loc.gov" target="_blank">akup@loc.gov</a>>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Assuming there are no nekudot, would it not be presumptuous for a cataloger to claim to
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Aaron Kuperman, LC Law Cataloging Section.
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Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bakup" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+akup</a>=<a href="mailto:loc.gov@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">loc.gov@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 05, 2017 3:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Heb-NACO] Transliterating yud heh vav heh</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm cataloging a book right now that has the tetragrammaton in the title. </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">1) YHVH? This is what the record has</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">4) Or should we use a euphemism,e.g ha-Shem? </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:black">I'm not invested in this one and am agnostic as to the outcome, but which form is preferred? The euphemism
'ha-Shem" and "Adonai" are already slotted in the record as added title entries.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br>
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UC Berkeley<br>
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250 Moffitt<br>
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Berkeley, CA 94720<br>
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I'm just mad about Saffron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br>
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UC Berkeley<br>
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250 Moffitt<br>
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Berkeley, CA 94720<br>
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I'm just mad about Saffron</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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