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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">So my source (Uri Melammed) says it should be: Tsahot. I hope that settles it.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="HE" style="font-size:18.0pt">צריך לתעתק: </span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:18.0pt">Tsahot</span><span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" style="font-size:18.0pt"><span dir="RTL"></span>.</span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:18.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+barry.walfish=utoronto.ca@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2017 6:00 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <heb-naco@lists.osu.edu><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I just discovered that there's a poem on p2, presumably vocalized by the publisher, that has the final line "... kera Sefer Tsahot." Even so, I would like to hear what Barry's person has to say. Yes, please, ask.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, the whole point of this exercise is not so much how to handle this in MARC (though that's important; thanks, Yosi), but rather is to see if we can come to some sort of consensus to facilitate an authority, like we did with the never
ending back and forth of tekafo/tokpo.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thank you all for responding in the volume that you have.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 2:48 PM, Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So the solution is - 245 and 246 ... :-)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:41 PM, Barry Walfish <<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca" target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, January 18, 2017 5:37 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert Talbott <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel <<a href="mailto:heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a>><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Sefer Tsahot or Sefer Tsahut?</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The noun is Tsahut - see Even Shoshan, Alcalay and Milon Ariel ha-makif.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 5:25 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I have a recent publication from Mosad Rav Kuk here at my desk which is a republication of a work by Ibn Ezra. The issue is that the vocalization for the key noun is ambiguous
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">The title is Sefer tsadi-het-vav-tav. My inclination is to read that as "tsahut." However, it may also be read as "tsahot," which is grammatical though it seems a less obvious
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