
<div dir="ltr">Return to our discussion regarding <span style="font-size:12.8px">words that are Greek/Latin in origin. This time about פרוזה = Prozah:</span><div>So we agreed that it will be Prozah and not Perozah. Now what about cases such as: בפרוזה = Bi-prozah or Ba-prozah: according to Even Shoshan (2003 edition), vol. 5, page 1528 (see <a href="https://goo.gl/photos/9pHnfcYmiwpUsSgh9">https://goo.gl/photos/9pHnfcYmiwpUsSgh9</a>) it will be Bi-prozah and not Bi-frozah.</div><div>Are we all on the same understanding?</div><div><br></div><div>I just cataloged the last book by Nitza Ben-Dov - see: <a href="https://library.osu.edu/projects/hebrew-lexicon/01948002.php">https://library.osu.edu/projects/hebrew-lexicon/01948002.php</a></div><div>OCLC # 968894063</div><div><br></div><div>Yossi</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>  or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: (614) 292-3362,  Fax: (614)292-1918<br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><br></div></div></div>

<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 4:38 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">


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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 02, 2016 12:47 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>

<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] words starting with <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דרמ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>-<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I will add this issue to the agenda for the AJL RAS Cataloging meeting in June for a general group discussion. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">After sharing our colleagues thoughts, the committee will revisit the issue and make a new decision. If we change the current guidelines, the changes will be reflected

 in the the upcoming update to RDA Hebraica cataloging (due Summer 2016).<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Heidi G. Lerner<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford University Libraries<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ph: <a href="tel:(650)%20725-9953" value="+16507259953" target="_blank">650-725-9953</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">fax: <a href="tel:(650)%20725-1120" value="+16507251120" target="_blank">650-725-1120</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco <<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+lerner=stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+lerner=<wbr>stanford.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>>

 on behalf of Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>><br>

<b>Sent:</b> Monday, May 2, 2016 9:25 AM<br>

<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] words starting with </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">דרמ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>-</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">

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 that are Greek/Latin in origin. <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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 are coming back to the same question again and again and it's time to solve it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>

E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a>  or

<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>

Tel.: <a href="tel:(614)%20292-3362" value="+16142923362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>,  Fax: <a href="tel:(614)%20292-1918" value="+16142921918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>

Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">

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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">On Mon, May 2, 2016 at 11:54 AM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Yes, the Cataloging Committee did recently review psefas/pesefas, but IIRC the decision was to maintain the status quo.  I don’t recall what factors went into making that decision.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">As for following Alcalay’s vocalization, I’m not sure how that’s helpful since he can be so inconsistent.  Take the example of [psych], for which he has the following entries:</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhah (for Psyche, myth.)</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhoanaliṭi</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhoanaliṭiḳai</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikho’analisah (-zah)</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhogeni</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhozah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhografah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhografyah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhoṭekhni</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhonṭekhniḳah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikholog</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">BUT, the first exception with a sheva</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Pesikhologyah, followed by a bunch of different types of psychology, NONE of one which have a sheva under the peh:</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhologyah geneṭit/hevdelit/ḥinukhit/<wbr>le-ta’aśiyah/mashṿah/ and on, and on.</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">THEN, another exception with a sheva

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Pesikhologizatsyah, followed by more entries with NO sheva:</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhopatologi</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhopatologyah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">THEN, a final exception with a sheva

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Pesikhopati, followed by more entries with NO sheva:</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhopatyah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Psikhi’aṭri, and the last,</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">I cannot find any logic behind which words are vocalized and which are not, but it contradicts Heidi’s principle below that words based on a word with a sheva would also have a

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Nevertheless, Alcalay is consistent with his entries for [dram], which makes my question moot, if not food for thought…

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Deramah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Deramaṭurg</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Deramaṭizatsyah</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Deramati</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Deramatiyut</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">(I didn’t see them till now, which is what prompted the original email.  Apologies, Jasmin)</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+<wbr>jshino</a>=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.<wbr>osu.edu</a>]

<b>On Behalf Of </b>Joan Biella<br>

<b>Sent:</b> Friday, April 29, 2016 7:11 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>

<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] words starting with <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דרמ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>-</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">The rule being followed here is the one that says Alcalay's vocalization determines the romanization of words with ambiguous initial shevas.  If his dictionary prints the sheva, we romanize it as "e."  This rule was laid down for the

 benefit of catalogers who don't have access to spoken Hebrew sources, and ensures a standard romanization for everyone. 

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<span style="color:black">Perhaps it is time to reconsider this rule, as some catalogers in some circumstances certainly find it annoying.  The recent exchange about psefas/pesefas dealt with the same issue.  Should this be discussed seriously by the cataloging

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<span style="color:black">Joan<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">On Fri, Apr 29, 2016 at 6:34 AM, Neil Manel Frau-Cortes <<a href="mailto:nfrau@umd.edu" target="_blank">nfrau@umd.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">No offense, but have you ever tried to explain the crazy "deramah" exception to somebody who is not a Hebrew cataloger?<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">Whoever has the power could just have eliminated the exception instead of adding to it.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">All linguistic systems tend to <a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regularization_(linguistics)" target="_blank">

regularization</a>. In any codification system, the more exceptions you add to rules, the less effective the code is.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span lang="HE" style="color:black">שבת שלום ומעדים לשמחה</span><span dir="LTR" style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span dir="RTL"></span><span lang="HE" style="color:black"><span dir="RTL"></span> <u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<span style="color:black">On Thu, Apr 28, 2016 at 5:44 PM, Heidi G Lerner <<a href="mailto:lerner@stanford.edu" target="_blank">lerner@stanford.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I would certainly think so. I can't think why not.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">The wod, while not of themselves completely foreign words: they are based on one.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Just my thoughts.<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Best, Heidi<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Heidi G. Lerner<u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford University Libraries<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Stanford, CA 94305-6004<u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ph:

<a href="tel:650-725-9953" target="_blank">650-725-9953</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<a href="tel:650-725-1120" target="_blank">650-725-1120</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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<b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>><br>

<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, April 28, 2016 2:13 PM<br>

<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>

<b>Cc:</b> Heidi G Lerner<br>

<b>Subject:</b> words starting with </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;color:black">דרמ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>-</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">

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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">HCM2 clearly states

</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">דרמה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span> as exception to vocalization

 of foreign loan words (“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">first

</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">she</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ṿ</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">a

</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">in a foreign loan word with an initial consonantal cluster is generally treated as a

</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">she</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ṿ</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">a

 na</span><span style="font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">ḥ</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">…”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">

 cf. p. 19).  Do other words starting with that </span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">“</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">root</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">”</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">

 follow that same exception, e.g. <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">דרמטורגיה, דרמטי, דרמטיזציה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>, etc.?</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

<p style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif";color:black">Thank, Jasmin</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>

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