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</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]--></head><body lang=EN-US link=blue vlink=purple><div class=WordSection1><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>According to the HCM (June 2014 edition) on page 17 it says “</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>Alcalay is useful for the identification of </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>she</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ṿ</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>a na</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ḥ</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>(quiescent) and </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>she</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ṿ</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>a na‘ </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>(mobile) in that he usually does not transcribe the </span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>she</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ṿ</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>a na</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>ḥ</span><span style='font-size:10.5pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>in his vocalization scheme.</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>”</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> I looked up my deskcopy of Alcalay (1966 edition) and on column 32 it says </span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>“</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>Ehyeh asher ehyeh</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'>”</span><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'> following the grammar rules regarding the sheva.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial Unicode MS","sans-serif"'>Haim</span><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+hgot=loc.gov@lists.osu.edu] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Joan Biella<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 11:37 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Even-Shoshan is the arbiter of these questions. The aim of ALA/LC romanization schemes is to produce easily verified, standardized equivalents, not to represent the pronunciation of a contemporary group, no matter who, no matter how large (or small). Many vocal friends don't like these facts, but please consider the benefits of, I'll say it again, easily verified, standardized romanizations for our enormous library community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Joan<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal>P.S. I learned Hebrew in a very unusual way, in connection with obtaining a degree in (wait for it!) Comparative Semitic Philology. There are quite a few things about LC romanization that I hate very much and feel are wrong, wrong, wrong, doing horrible injustice to the "true" Hebrew I studied in conjunction with its sister Semitic languages. So what? ALA/LC romanization serves a different purpose and a different community.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal>On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:26 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I agree with Barry; as in various other cases, we disregard pronunciation in favor of established vocalization/rules. Users beware…</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:23 PM</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal><br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>I think it's time to light the Joan signal. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Barry Walfish <<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca" target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>In this case, the native speaker's pronunciation follows the path of least resistance. It's easier to say eheyeh than ehyeh, so the vowels shift. This happens in a lot of cases. I don't think there's any question that the sheva is nah. But I've been surprised before. But for romanization purposes we should follow the grammar rules, no?</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'><br>Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>Judaica Specialist<br>University of Toronto Libraries <br>Toronto, ON M5S 1A5<br>Canada</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div class=MsoNormal align=center style='text-align:center'><span style='color:black'><hr size=3 width="100%" align=center></span></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>] on behalf of Yossi Galron [<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>]<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>There is no discussion on the Nikud of the word, but how to pronounce it. </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>The question is - is it a <span lang=HE dir=RTL>שווא נח </span>or a <span lang=HE dir=RTL>שווא נע</span><span dir=LTR></span><span dir=LTR></span>.?</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>The modern pronunciation is Eheyeh. Native Hebrew speakers would go for Eheyeh.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span lang=HE style='color:black'>שיהיה לכם יום טוב</span><span dir=LTR><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal dir=RTL style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;text-align:right;direction:rtl;unicode-bidi:embed'><span dir=RTL></span><span lang=HE style='color:black'><span dir=RTL></span> </span><span lang=HE><o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'><br clear=all></span><span lang=HE dir=RTL><o:p></o:p></span></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span dir=LTR></span><span style='color:black'><span dir=LTR></span> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Yes, E-Sh. under Hayah, p. 380 on the right has just a sheva, no patah, with a subentry for Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh (Shemot 3:14, as cited by Barry) (see attached). </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'> Heb-naco [mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+jshino</a>=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br><b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:35 PM<br><b>To:</b> Robert M. TALBOTT; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Check ES under Hayah <span lang=HE dir=RTL>היה </span>page 380 on the right side of the page.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>I also checked Rav milim by Yaakov Choueka (1996) and there there is a hataf under the He</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>(see attached)</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>I am for Eheyeh.</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Eheyeh asher Eheyeh</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Yossi</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 3:15 PM, Robert M. TALBOTT <<a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>> wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Folks:</span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>alef heh yud heh: my sense of this, which is apparently supported by the various dictionaries, is that this is romanized as "ehyeh" ; there's a sheva under the first heh However, there is not consensus on OCLC; about 20% of the entries I saw had "eheyeh," and many of these are from reliable institutions.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'>Ehyeh, right? If I'm wrong, why?</span><span style='color:#888888'><br clear=all></span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'>-- </span><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:#888888'>Bob Talbott<br><br>Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br><br>UC Berkeley<br><br>250 Moffitt<br><br>Berkeley, CA 94720<br><br>I'm just mad about Saffron</span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></blockquote></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style='color:black'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style='color:black'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><br><br clear=all><o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>-- <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal style='mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>Bob Talbott<br><br>Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br><br>UC Berkeley<br><br>250 Moffitt<br><br>Berkeley, CA 94720<br><br>I'm just mad about Saffron<o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div></div><p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><br>_______________________________________________<br>Heb-naco mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu">Heb-naco@lists.osu.edu</a><br><a href="https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco" target="_blank">https://lists.osu.edu/mailman/listinfo/heb-naco</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>