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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I agree with Barry; as in various other cases, we disregard pronunciation in favor of established vocalization/rules. Users beware…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 5:23 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 2:18 PM, Barry Walfish <<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca" target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">In this case, the native speaker's pronunciation follows the path of least resistance. It's easier to say eheyeh than ehyeh, so the vowels shift. This happens
in a lot of cases. I don't think there's any question that the sheva is nah. But I've been surprised before. But for romanization purposes we should follow the grammar rules, no?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>
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Canada<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu</a>]
on behalf of Yossi Galron [<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:51 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">There is no discussion on the Nikud of the word, but how to pronounce it.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The question is - is it a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
שווא נח</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> or a <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">
שווא נע</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>.?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The modern pronunciation is Eheyeh. Native Hebrew speakers would go for Eheyeh.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<span lang="HE" style="color:black">שיהיה לכם יום טוב</span><span dir="LTR" style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
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Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:43 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Yes, E-Sh. under Hayah, p. 380 on the right has just a sheva, no patah, with a subentry for Ehyeh
Asher Ehyeh (Shemot 3:14, as cited by Barry) (see attached). </span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco
[mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+jshino</a>=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, September 01, 2016 4:35 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Robert M. TALBOTT; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] ehyeh, right?</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Check ES under Hayah
<span lang="HE" dir="RTL">היה</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span> page 380 on the right side of the page.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">I also checked Rav milim by Yaakov Choueka (1996) and there there is a hataf under the He<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
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Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 4:15 PM, Yossi Galron <<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
<a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">alef heh yud heh: my sense of this, which is apparently supported by the various dictionaries, is that this is romanized as "ehyeh" ; there's a sheva under
the first heh However, there is not consensus on OCLC; about 20% of the entries I saw had "eheyeh," and many of these are from reliable institutions.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:black">Ehyeh, right? If I'm wrong, why?</span><span style="color:#888888"><br clear="all">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="color:#888888">Bob Talbott<br>
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Principal cataloger/Hebraica cataloger<br>
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UC Berkeley<br>
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250 Moffitt<br>
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I'm just mad about Saffron</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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