<div dir="ltr">I agree. We have to go according to Even Shoshan (this is why I said at the beginning: Love it or Hate it ....<div><br></div><div>Yossi</div><div><br></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br clear="all"><div><div class="gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div>Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or <a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>Tel.: (614) 292-3362, Fax: (614)292-1918<br>Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><br></div></div></div>
<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:56 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;border-right:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;padding-right:1ex">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1f497d">Interesting. Nevertheless, according to HCM2/HCR, our official source is “the most recent edition of Even-Shoshan’s ha-Milon he-hadash”
(with qualifications noted, p. 16-17.) Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:48 PM</span></p><div><div class="h5"><br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יריד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>: yarid or yerid<u></u><u></u></div></div><p></p><div><div class="h5">
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<p class="MsoNormal">Interesting: On the web site of the Academy I found the following:<u></u><u></u></p>
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<span lang="HE" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6f793d"><a href="http://hebrew-academy.org.il/topic/hahlatot/grammardecisions/formation-and-vocalization/2-1-%d7%9e%d7%a9%d7%a7%d7%9c%d7%99%d7%9d/#target-2779" target="_blank"><span style="color:black;border:none windowtext 1.0pt;padding:0in;text-decoration:none">2.1.2
משקל פָּעִיל ומשקל פְּעִיל</span></a></span><span dir="LTR" style="font-size:12.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#6f793d"><u></u><u></u></span></h2>
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<span lang="HE">השמות האלה נשקלים במשקל פָּעִיל: זָקִיף, יָמִין, יָצִיעַ, יָרִיד, כָּפִיל, כָּפִיס, לָהִיט, נָטִיף, נָקִיק, נָתִיךְ, צָעִיף, שָׁבִיס.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<span lang="HE">השמות האלה נשקלים במשקל פְּעִיל: בְּרִיחַ, הֲלִיךְ, נְגִיף, נְחִיל, נְצִיב, סְעִיף, פְּרִיט, צְמִיג, צְרִיחַ, קְרִישׁ, רְבִיעַ, רְדִיד, רְצִיף, שְׁזִיף, שְׁתִיל.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Joseph (Yossi) Galron-Goldschläger<br>
E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" value="+16142923362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax: <a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" value="+16142921918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><u></u><u></u></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Barry Walfish <<a href="mailto:barry.walfish@utoronto.ca" target="_blank">barry.walfish@utoronto.ca</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p>
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Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>
Judaica Specialist<br>
University of Toronto Libraries <br>
Toronto, ON M5S 1A5<br>
Canada<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.<wbr>edu</a>]
on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin [<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:18 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יריד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>: yarid or yerid</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco
[mailto:<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces%2Bjshino" target="_blank">heb-naco-bounces+<wbr>jshino</a>=<a href="mailto:pobox.upenn.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">pobox.upenn.edu@lists.<wbr>osu.edu</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Yossi Galron<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, August 11, 2016 5:17 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] <span lang="HE" dir="RTL">יריד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span dir="LTR"></span>: yarid or yerid</span><span style="color:black"><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I guess it will be Yerid (if we love it or hate it)<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">I might send a question to the Academy.<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Yossi<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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E-Mail: <a href="mailto:galron.1@osu.edu" target="_blank">galron.1@osu.edu</a> or
<a href="mailto:jgalron@gmail.com" target="_blank">jgalron@gmail.com</a><br>
Tel.: <a href="tel:%28614%29%20292-3362" target="_blank">(614) 292-3362</a>, Fax:
<a href="tel:%28614%29292-1918" target="_blank">(614)292-1918</a><br>
Lexicon of Modern Hebrew Literature: <a href="http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit" target="_blank">
http://go.osu.edu/hebrewlit</a><u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">On Thu, Aug 11, 2016 at 5:07 PM, Shinohara, Jasmin <<a href="mailto:jshino@pobox.upenn.edu" target="_blank">jshino@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Another Romanization question (those who dislike/disagree with the act of Romanization can please feel free to disregard this email):<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">The word is
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">יריד</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>, a fair. The current E-Sh. Romanizes it only with a sheva na, making the word “yerid”.
The same for the case of semikhut, </span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:black">יריד-</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>, a sheva under the first yod. The Alcalay at my desk
(1996) has two forms of entry, the first with a kamats followed by the form with a sheva, and the word with a sheva in the case of semikhut. (Morfix online has only with a kamats.) Are we considering this a changed Romanization? Is it now “Yerid omanut
Yehudit” and “Yerid ha-ben-leʼumi le-Yudaʼiḳah”, as opposed to the former “Yerid omanut Yehudit” and “Yarid ha-ben-leʼumi le-Yudaʼiḳah”?<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:black">Please advise. Thanks, Jasmin<u></u><u></u></span></p>
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