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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Of course, if we ask any Talmudic student (the only person who would be looking for this book in the first place) he would say 'Tokfo kohen' because that is
the way it is pronounced/mispronounced in yeshivot<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">But then, we're not doing this for the readers as much for our own uniformity…<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Elhanan<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Courier New";color:black">Elhanan Adler</span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><br>
Email: elhanana@savion.huji.ac.il<br>
Mobile tel.: 972-54-6829657<br>
Tel. (NLI) 972-74-7336224<br>
Tel. (home) 972-2-6515977<br>
Fax (home): 972-2-6517129<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Heb-naco [mailto:heb-naco-bounces+elhanana=savion.huji.ac.il@lists.osu.edu]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Barry Walfish<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, July 28, 2016 8:24 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Actually, the second word is tokef, a noun, meaning force or validity. Takef is an adjective, not relevant here.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Tokpo = ha-tokef shelo, its force, etc.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">The first case, is as Jasmin says, the verb takaf with the third person pronominal suffix-- tekafo = takaf oto. As Jay says, this is a term from the Talmud Bava
Metsia 6b = tekafo kohen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">Barry<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Barry Dov Walfish, Ph.D.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black"> Heb-naco [heb-naco-bounces@lists.osu.edu]
on behalf of Shinohara, Jasmin [jshino@pobox.upenn.edu]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 2:25 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Hebrew Name Authority Funnel; <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu">
rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There are 2 different words: the first is
</span><span class="word"><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">תָּקַף</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span lang="HE" style="color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>
</span></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">(patah under
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ק</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>) and the second is
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">תָּקֵף</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span> (tsere under
</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">ק</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><span dir="LTR"></span>). The first means
“to attack”; the second means “valid, or in force” (as in a passport). The inclination of the first is tekafo (as in, “he attacked”); the second is tokpo (as in “the passport/milk/etc. has expired”).
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">In the context of the Gemara the term being used is the first (the Kohen took the first-born animal by force), hence the word is to be vocalized as teḳafo.
See also E-Sh. and Alkalay (examples given under the first term is “yitsro toḳfo” “teḳafah yistrah”; an example under the second term is “pag tokpo”).</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 1:19 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">If we go with "tokfo/tokpo" vocalization rather than "tekafo" wouldn't the "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">פ</span><span dir="LTR"></span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"><span dir="LTR"></span>"
get a dagesh since it comes after a quiescent "</span><span lang="HE" dir="RTL" style="color:black">שבא״</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p style="margin-bottom:12.0pt;background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">making it toḳpo</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black"> Heidi G Lerner<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 10:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p style="background:white"><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">I just checked Jastrow and it has "toḳfo"</span><span style="color:black"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, July 27, 2016 9:41 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href="mailto:rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu" target="_blank">rtalbott@library.berkeley.edu</a>; Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2</span><span style="font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="background:white"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black">Check out the phrase and its source in a Talmudic sugya in, e.g., Hebrew Wikipedia, where it is clear that the verbal construction is
tekafo<br>
JR<br>
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From: Heb-naco [<a href="mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jarovner=jtsa.edu@lists.osu.edu" target="_blank">mailto:heb-naco-bounces+jarovner=jtsa.edu@lists.osu.edu</a>] On Behalf Of Robert M. TALBOTT<br>
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2016 12:24 PM<br>
To: Hebrew Name Authority Funnel<br>
Subject: [Heb-NACO] Tekafo vs. Tokpo: round 2<br>
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Folks:<br>
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I have a book here by Shabtai ben Meir, ha-Kohen, 1621-1662 where the first word in the title is tav-kuf-peh-vav. The last time this book came up, about ten years ago (maybe longer), the decree was that the form we were to use was "tekafo" in this particular
instance.<br>
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Anyhow, I checked in the 2007 EJ, Lo and behold, they cite the book as "Tokfo kohen." Discounting the "f" (Ester 10:2 places a dagesh in the peh), it looks to me like this is an authoritative stance that we didn't have the last time the question was asked.<br>
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So: tekafo or tokpo?<br>
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Bob<br>
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